And if you go to Orlando you are entering bad guy territory IMO.

I don't believe you need to go that far to be in bad guy territory. Some of the locals that attend the square look gang like enough to cause concern. Heck some of the villagers in the historic district look like bad guys...JK

So far I have not seen the need in the nine years we have lived here to carry a firearm around on me. You may see my lifeless body on the square, done in by a line dancer with a good left.


Some of the villagers in Premier neighborhoods look like bad guys too...according to the eternal, almost never stopping tree thread.
and certain folks posting on that thread wishing to malign all folks from villages with certain attributes. Say price of homes. Bad on them.


There is far less nasty here than in many other areas of this planet. Far less.


Good morning. It is another beautiful day in The Villages..

I agree, I really can't get behind the concept of the average senior citizen female Villager carrying (not intended as sexist or age discriminatory)

1) The average 70 year old woman, even with a CWP, is not physically capable of confronting a 20 year old man
2) If that person is contemplating using their weapon, they better be darned sure they are being confronted with LETHAL force, otherwise they may be trading their dream for an 8x12 cell
3) Given #2, by the time it is clear the assailant possesses lethal force, it is probably too late to get a gun out of a purse
4) If raised like most of us, this person will likely hesitate a few seconds to pull the trigger, the 20 year old will not
5) If there is more than one assailant, your odds just took a nosedive
6) Therefore, unless approached from 40 feet away by a knife wielding maniac shouting that he is going to kill you, you are more likely to get killed by your own gun (and if you do shoot him, better make sure he is not an ethnic minority, under 18, or of subnormal intelligence or the media will convict you without a trial---best to have no witnesses)

I am not anti-gun---I'll defend your 2nd amendment rights even though I personally don't own a gun. In fact, when some nut job comes to a movie to shoot it up, I like the idea of a few well trained gun carrying patrons in the audience. I just don't want the person with the CWP to be the victim.

Also, I doubt there are many gang members flocking to the squares for the type of entertainers we have performing. Just don't invite Jay Zee or LL Cool J to perform. And to the extent that a few gang bangers show up, we can hire them to keep the seat savers and the line dancers in check:1rotfl:

you've made an awful lot of assumptions about trained gun owners being inept, gang members? there have been armed robberies here....

Wow! Lots of unfounded assumptions supporting the anti-gun position. Starting with number 1; if you think a 70 yo woman with a gun is incapable against a 20 yo, then what do you think her chances are without a gun?! After that, 2 thru 6 are just about as biased. Do you know there are countless incidences in which a prospective assailant(s) turned and ran when the victim merely revealed the gun?

Look into my eyes. No one is disagreeing. THIS is not a place where a gun is needed to be carried ..........YET.


Maybe someday, maybe soon. But not yet. This is NOT ORLANDO. I heard that Minnie got her carry permit last week.


Don't start something when there isn't a problem...YET........no one is trying to disagree with you or anyone's second amendment rights.


Sit down. Deep breaths.

Just because I used an exclamation point doesn't mean I am excited or wound up. I don't mind anyone disagreeing with me. I'm more interested in honest open debate and learning others' opinions regardless of whether they agree with me.

Whoa!!! Slow down.

I clearly stated I was NOT anti-gun
And I don't think the 70 year old woman is "incapable", I was just pointing out there can be some downside to such an encounter

Beyond that, which "unfounded assumption" do you disagree with?---the legal restrictions on use of lethal force, the declining odds against multiple assailants, or the natural hesitancy to pull the trigger that takes years of training to overcome?

And I didn't bring up "gangs", just responded with the opinion that there probably not a lot of gangs hanging around for the nightly entertainment

No insult, but is it possible you were assuming that I was assuming?:024:

Hey! Settle down there partner. No need to get upset. I just disagreed with your assumptions. I don't have them in front of me, but pretty much all of them, I think. Your assumptions are biased toward the unsuccessful use of a firearm for self protection. You did not present any potential upside. Does that make you a bad person? Of course not. You just happen to be biased against firearms as a viable self defense tool. I happen to think it is the primary, most practical means of self defense. Of course, the best defense is not to be in the wrong place at the wrong time. But that is not always easy. Going to Walmart can result in an attack as you load your car with merchandise. Please don't be offended, but how else can you describe your statements, other than assumptions. You stated the 70 yo lady with a gun is no match for a 20 yo. What was your basis for that comment? You stated she would probably hesitate using her firearm to the point that it would not help her. What was your basis for that conclusion? See where I'm going? You may not have even realized your anti-gun bias. But your "assumed" scenarios are loaded with bias. You may see me as pro-gun biased. I don't take offense to that. That is your opinion. All is good.

Whats the difference in or out of the villages you dont think the bad guys come in here. Really you should rethink some of the comments.

The bad guys can't get in here. It's a gated community....(kidding for those oh so serious posters).

No, I don't think the bad guys come here in any significant numbers. This is also the opinion of the US Dept of Justice and Florida authorities. Statistically, area codes 32162 &3 are among the lowest crime rates in the country. I had a post some months ago with the exact numbers

ROFL!!!! I didn't realize I was upset, offended, or biased against guns.

I must be suffering from a lack of clarity of expression, since I agree with you, but I guess that got lost in translation..

I fully support well trained CCP holders carrying, regardless of age or gender, per their 2nd amendment rights. In 95% of encounters with "the bad guys", it is an advantage. I was only referring to the other times where things don't work out as well, we all know an encounter involving guns can turn south on a dime, and some of the possible reasons that can occur. I'll still stand by the hesitancy comment, most LEOs would agree that it takes years to overcome that natural tendency--most of us have a sense of morality that makes us hesitant to take a life--but no so much for "the bad guys"
I guess my only other point is that there is a time and place for everything. You probably don't need to carry 100% of the time, I was going to say not on a golf course, for example. But then again, after reading about some behavior on the execs........

I'm assuming you're an MD. So I thought you might enjoy this link. It is a somewhat lengthy review/analysis of the 2nd A. I thought you may enjoy the methodical approach.

A CRITICAL GUIDE TO THE SECOND AMENDMENT

I've always felt safe here, maybe when the big Wildwood wall goes up less people will feel the need to carry.

I think if I was going to carry I'd get one of those thigh high leg garter type of holsters. Purse carrying wouldn't work because the gun is too heavy and ruins your purse.

"Better Prada, than Nada" [kidding]
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If you were speaking to me...yes, I know bad guys come in here. The burglars will soon be back, they seem to come in spurts and even seasonally. There are villagers with no moral compass or addicted to booze or drugs or never have been any damn good.


BUT....as a group, we are far more law abiding and have far less crime than like sized cities. I am not anti-gun. I just don't like that some folks think that all people need one. I knew when I flunked archery that hitting a target was not gonna be my strong suit.


I intensly dislike to be targeted by evangelistic vegetarians and evangelistic gun folks. I don't care if you carry, and a lot of times I am glad you do......just don't care if I don't carry. Have a carrot?

Thigh high leg garter.....................that's where I carry mine.

Better chafe, than sorry [I think I'm on to something]

Villages ladies packing??
 

They make purses that are designed to safely carry guns. And believe me, if most women carry as much stuff in their purses as my wife, another pound won't make a difference. Attachment 55185

I'd include a picture of a specially designed bra as well, but I understand this is a family thread, rated G (for gun).

Now you're talkin'.:agree:

The good thing about the garter is if your skirt is short enough or you have a tendency to dance with your skirt over your head it is no longer concealed.:22yikes:

My response was in jest. I was just returning the "Whoa." I really don't get upset by many posts and I didn't think you were upset with mine. Not to argue with you, but I do enjoy this subject. I think that a person that CCs regularly, and pulls their gun, are usually scared/threatened/frightened enough to pull the trigger immediately if the bad guys don't run first. If a man approaches with a knife and you see him coming, if you are carrying, I believe you would not hesitate to pull the gun and warn him; one more step and you would pull the trigger. When it goes down, most people are not going to think logically. They are going to shoot if they feel threatened. Of course, this is just my opinion. People that have decided not to carry may see it differently, which is why they do not carry. There are so many instances where a CCer shot without hesitation, because the gun never came out until they felt it was do or die.

With the price of ammo those days--warning shots are history--make everyone count & empty the gun-this way it can't be used against you & if you have to go to court-you will be the only who can testify

My nomination for Comment of the Year.

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Every kid on my block carried.
 

Ok, apparently not only is my clarity of expression at an all time low, so is my clarity of interpretation. Sorry. And the bold highlight is the reason I don't carry, I'd leave too big a body count in my wake:1rotfl:

I have pictures like that too up north, my older sister and I in cowgirl and cowboy outfits. It was fun. We played cowboys and indians just like in the movies and tv. My kids played the same way but they were Luke Skywalker and Princes Lala [or whatever]. We even had these laser guns and things we wore over our clothes in the eighties to aim at and entire families used to "battle", shoot at each other in the woods. I don't know what to think.

thanks for the memories

Good grief, I find it really hard to understand a lot of folk's fascination with handguns. When we visited TV a couple of years ago everyone we encountered seemed happy, relaxed & content. If we felt that packing a deadly weapon on oneself was necessary to go about daily life in TV, we'd be looking for somewhere else to retire. Glad we don't share the paranoia.

Apparently no one really knows who is carrying a gun. However I can say for sure that. There has never been a report that I have read in all the many years I have lived in the village. Of any person who took out a gun and used it.

I wouldn't take this thread too seriously. It's just a few of us having a philosophical debate on the wisdom of conceal/carry, and most involved are pretty familiar with each other's posts. The Villages has not suddenly become a crime infested jungle where paranoid residents are armed to the teeth in fear of their lives.:1rotfl:
I believe the national average crime rate is 42/100,00, and in TV it's like 3/100,000. I'd walk anywhere here at any time, unarmed

I completely agree. I just happened to listen to an irrational person who was trying to make a point and she decided to add some gun "details" to the conversation. I'll bet very, very few women carry and maybe a small amount of men.
This thread has only drawn attention because guns have always been a rather taboo, political thread and is usually shut down. This one has stayed civil and therefore we've been allowed to discuss it.
I feel TV has been and is an extremely safe place to live.

I think we are a unique community and we have what it takes for a musical. So far I just have a name and some song tittles.
It's called: "Granny Get Your Gun"

and these are the songs:

I get a kick out of you
Ol' Ma's Trigger
Oh What a beautiful Warning
Don't cry for me Santiago

You forgot the number one hit from that musical--- " There's no business like Glock business"

And here's some more suggestions for your album (you realize we're both sick, don't you?)

from Showboat---Can't help lovin dat gun of mine
from South Pacific---Some enchanted rifle
from West side story---Somewhere, there's a gun
from A Chorus line---What I did for ammo
from Mary Poppins---A spoonful of gunpowder
from Sound of music---the hills are alive, with the sound of gunfire
from My Fair Lady----I could have aimed all night
from Oklahoma---Poor Judd is dead (no need to change the title)

We don't carry because of a fear of the residents of TV, other than the occasional drunk who decides to go stupid; we carry because of the turds and trash that live outside of our bubble and decide to come in and invade our safe zone.

Well - there was that case of local road rage where a TV motorcyclist got upset at a car and put a couple of shots into the vehicle. I think that counts.

BF - I suspect you are naive in that regard. With all the retired military, former local, state and federal police officers, and the many plain residents, there are a ton of residents who carry. I personally know of more than a handful just in my neighborhood.