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Worldseries27 04-16-2022 05:49 AM

Gilligan's island
 
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Originally Posted by stu from nyc (Post 2084025)
the old biddies could use a new past time/

they could be lost at sea

Worldseries27 04-16-2022 05:55 AM

Bookem clippetes
 
I say deputize them and issue them frag grenades so everyone in pool would go unconscious.
Then all ids could be scanned.

4557Spahr 04-16-2022 06:00 AM

A rec center employee told me, at $11 an hour, they are having a hard time finding help. If you are hired for 2 days, they always want you 5. He said he wouldn’t have retired his high paying job if he wanted to work all the time. He said they had to start being at the the LaHaicienda Sports pool at 6 AM because locals, non residents, came early to swim. Putting your concerns on this forum does not help. Pick up the phone and report it. Do your part.

JMintzer 04-16-2022 06:16 AM

I'm more concerned with those people who never seem to get out of the water "violating" the pool... :shocked::shocked::shocked:

retiredguy123 04-16-2022 06:16 AM

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Originally Posted by schwarz (Post 2084065)
I have been at LaHacienda Recreation center for over three years. We are supposed to have a rec assistant staff of 16, currently we have 10 with no new hires in site. Every day in my work emails are requests from multiple other centers listing all their shiffs that need coverage. Our manager has personally had to work shifts due to being short staffed. There recently was a big meeting with all the big wigs trying to figure out how to attract staff, especially at $10 an hour, the current pay rate, and also address employee retention.
Managers work normally Monday-Friday 8-5 and certainly not all hours the centers are open. They have many responsibilities, checking id's at pools are not their priority. Sadly, the staffing issue is likely to continue for awhile, just as it is in most local businesses as you can confirm by the help wanted signs everywhere.
Again, if you see a specific problem at the pool, use the pool phone and call the center listed and we should be able to respond but the days of a full time pool monitor are over for now. Bob

Thanks. But, my post was addressing the comment that every rec center is "short of staff". LaHacienda is a "regional" rec center. But, the majority of the pools are monitored by the "village" rec centers, not the regional rec centers. The village rec centers are operated by one employee, who monitors about 2-3 pools as well as other rec center activities. As I understand it, this has been the staffing level at every village rec center for at least the past 5 years. So, to say that every rec center is short of staff is not accurate, especially with respect to the thread topic of checking the pools for IDs. One employee is responsible to check IDs at about 2-3 pools, and that staff level has not changed.

GizmoWhiskers 04-16-2022 06:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Black Beauty (Post 2084054)
Pool checkers were more common 4-5 years ago. If you're in the water they cannot card you...

Riverbend Rec, a friend was told he had to keep his Village ID on his person while IN the pool... guess that Rec worker missed a memo at sometime in their training.

GizmoWhiskers 04-16-2022 06:30 AM

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Originally Posted by schwarz (Post 2084065)
I have been at LaHacienda Recreation center for over three years. We are supposed to have a rec assistant staff of 16, currently we have 10 with no new hires in site. Every day in my work emails are requests from multiple other centers listing all their shiffs that need coverage. Our manager has personally had to work shifts due to being short staffed. There recently was a big meeting with all the big wigs trying to figure out how to attract staff, especially at $10 an hour, the current pay rate, and also address employee retention.
Managers work normally Monday-Friday 8-5 and certainly not all hours the centers are open. They have many responsibilities, checking id's at pools are not their priority. Sadly, the staffing issue is likely to continue for awhile, just as it is in most local businesses as you can confirm by the help wanted signs everywhere.
Again, if you see a specific problem at the pool, use the pool phone and call the center listed and we should be able to respond but the days of a full time pool monitor are over for now. Bob

I think the growing Air BnB phenomina in TV is not helping matters. My parents live nextdoor to a house that has new people coming in everyday on some weeks. I get short term rentals but hotel homes is counter to deed restricted community concept and puts you all to task even more. The almighty $$ over what is best for your neighbors.

schwarz 04-16-2022 06:31 AM

Correction
 
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Originally Posted by retiredguy123 (Post 2084096)
Thanks. But, my post was addressing the comment that every rec center is "short of staff". LaHacienda is a "regional" rec center. But, the majority of the pools are monitored by the "village" rec centers, not the regional rec centers. The village rec centers are operated by one employee, who monitors about 2-3 pools as well as other rec center activities. As I understand it, this has been the staffing level at every village rec center for at least the past 5 years. So, to say that every rec center is short of staff is not accurate, especially with respect to the thread topic of checking the pools for IDs. One employee is responsible to check IDs at about 2-3 pools, and that staff level has not changed.

I also help out at the Coconut Cove rec center and they are currently short four, yes 4, staff members, where the manager often has to work several shifts a week, in addition to his normal duties and helping with many other Villages events like today's 5K race where most managers were assigned to it at 5am today.
Believe me, there are three pools, 6 very active pickleball courts, two tennis courts, plus shuffleboard and bocci just at Coconut Cove to watch, in addition to the billiards room and the one Ballroom with multiple events a day, and a card room. A lot for the one Recreation person to monitor

36Aday 04-16-2022 06:52 AM

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Originally Posted by bob.betty (Post 2083745)
can anyone tell me why they no longer check i.d.'s in the pools? We saw people smoking, and also commenting that if you see a community watch person come in to jump in the pool so they don't check your id. We've seen numerous people who were obviously under the age of 30 in adult pools, it seems to be out of control.

people not doing their job and should be fired!!!!!

Lindaws 04-16-2022 06:53 AM

Just like you see underage kids driving carts or grandkids on laps etc. I guess you
can now pick & chose what rules to follow.

Waltdisney4life 04-16-2022 07:59 AM

And who are you going to fire recreational staff is down 50% from normal if you fire the staff they were closed the pools and the rec centers then what do you do

dhdallas 04-16-2022 08:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Bill14564 (Post 2083877)
Do you live in the Villages? If so, you should attend one of the Resident Academy presentations to help you understand how our local Govt. actually works.

"...how our local Govt. actually works."? It doesn't!

Cher1119 04-16-2022 08:03 AM

I have had my ID checked many times. Actually was at our 30 and over pool and got chatting with a young couple who were just hanging out in the corner of the pool...25 years old. They were visiting their grandparents. Beautiful young people. There were a few others in the pool who didn't seem like they thought it was the end of the world that these two people were 5 years younger then the age requirement. After a very nice visit with them they saud they were gonna head back to the house for dinner with grams and gramps. I didn't feel the need to tell them they had to leave. Matter of fact.. they were more pleasant then some of my fellow villagers I have encountered.

NotGolfer 04-16-2022 08:03 AM

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Originally Posted by retiredguy123 (Post 2084096)
Thanks. But, my post was addressing the comment that every rec center is "short of staff". LaHacienda is a "regional" rec center. But, the majority of the pools are monitored by the "village" rec centers, not the regional rec centers. The village rec centers are operated by one employee, who monitors about 2-3 pools as well as other rec center activities. As I understand it, this has been the staffing level at every village rec center for at least the past 5 years. So, to say that every rec center is short of staff is not accurate, especially with respect to the thread topic of checking the pools for IDs. One employee is responsible to check IDs at about 2-3 pools, and that staff level has not changed.

The responsibility of checking has been longer than 5 yrs. I once was at our pool every morning. Once in a great while the employee would come out and check. They said they had to make the rounds to 3 pools and didn't always get the job done due to other responsibilities. People who can't self govern (ie. know the rules and follow them) are sophmoric and push the bounderies in other areas of their lives too. They're just kidding themselves thinking they're getting away with whatever rules they break. One day it may all catch up with them

Michael G. 04-16-2022 08:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Waltdisney4life (Post 2084131)
And who are you going to fire recreational staff is down 50% from normal if you fire the staff they were closed the pools and the rec centers then what do you do

Create a Roman bath house with a lot of nuked women......:MOJE_whot:

Bogie Shooter 04-16-2022 08:34 AM

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Originally Posted by dhdallas (Post 2084133)
"...how our local govt. Actually works."? it doesn't!

wow!

ThirdOfFive 04-16-2022 08:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Two Bills (Post 2083790)
Smoking whilst swimming is very difficult.
I had a Dickens of a job keeping cigarettes dry.
Much easier since I changed over to smoking a pipe!:icon_wink:

Heh.

A sign that used to be posted at a Minnesota “watering hole” some years back…

“Please don’t throw cigarette butts into the urinals. They get soggy, and hard to light”.

jimlambert 04-16-2022 08:50 AM

Sports pools
 
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Originally Posted by tophcfa (Post 2083774)
Three times over the winter I saw young people in the sports pools during lap swimming times who appeared way to young to be Village residents. Each time someone called the associated regional recreation center. One time they had rental issued resident ID’s and were allowed to stay. The other two times they had guest ID’s and were told to leave. Apparently, there are homeowners who don’t know the rules and tell their guests it is OK to use the sports pools?

I’ve lived here 11 years but never heard visitors aren’t allowed in sports pools. I’m sure I’m not the only one. Is it really a problem or does it just drive the negative people crazy?

jimlambert 04-16-2022 08:51 AM

Nuked?
 
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Originally Posted by Michael G. (Post 2084141)
Create a Roman bath house with a lot of nuked women......:MOJE_whot:

Are they from Chernobyl?

OrangeBlossomBaby 04-16-2022 09:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Cher1119 (Post 2084134)
I have had my ID checked many times. Actually was at our 30 and over pool and got chatting with a young couple who were just hanging out in the corner of the pool...25 years old. They were visiting their grandparents. Beautiful young people. There were a few others in the pool who didn't seem like they thought it was the end of the world that these two people were 5 years younger then the age requirement. After a very nice visit with them they saud they were gonna head back to the house for dinner with grams and gramps. I didn't feel the need to tell them they had to leave. Matter of fact.. they were more pleasant then some of my fellow villagers I have encountered.

This has nothing to do with picking and choosing who can and cannot use the adult pools based on their pleasantness.

There is an age requirement. No matter how nice this couple was, they showed a very decisive, intentional lack of respect to YOU by choosing to violate the rules.

The adult pool is not your personal pool where you get to make or break the rules, or decide who gets to break them on everyone else's behalf.

If you let a 25-year old couple hang out at the 30+ pool, then you need to let the 20-year-old couple hang out at it. If you let them hang out at it, then you need to let the 15-year-old couple hang out at it. And then that 25-year-old couple should be allowed to bring their infant baby and 2-year-old.

When you break the rule to accommodate the interests of one, at the expense of the interests of everyone else, then you invalidate the rule.

We have family pools, set up JUST so that people under 30 have a place to go. That is where they should go.

OrangeBlossomBaby 04-16-2022 09:03 AM

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Originally Posted by jimlambert (Post 2084162)
I’ve lived here 11 years but never heard visitors aren’t allowed in sports pools. I’m sure I’m not the only one. Is it really a problem or does it just drive the negative people crazy?

It's an actual rule.

I don't use the sports pools because the only time you're "allowed" do actually do laps is when the clubs aren't using it for everything else, and I don't swim on a schedule.

I swim when I feel like swimming. So I swim in the adult pools and just swim around anyone who's in my way from one end to the other.

Maybelle 04-16-2022 09:06 AM

ID at Mulberry
 
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Originally Posted by Bob.Betty (Post 2083745)
Can anyone tell me why they no longer check i.d.'s in the pools? We saw people smoking, and also commenting that if you see a community watch person come in to jump in the pool so they don't check your id. We've seen numerous people who were obviously under the age of 30 in adult pools, It seems to be out of control.

I've lived here for ten years and have never had my ID checked at Mulberry.

OhioBuckeye 04-16-2022 09:09 AM

Ohiobuckeye
 
Like I always said, I would play my fiddle for you if I didn’t leave it at home. Don’t understand why people try to make a joke out of this! It’s your amenities, do something about it, don’t come here & make jokes about it.

Stu from NYC 04-16-2022 09:33 AM

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Originally Posted by GizmoWhiskers (Post 2084100)
I think the growing Air BnB phenomina in TV is not helping matters. My parents live nextdoor to a house that has new people coming in everyday on some weeks. I get short term rentals but hotel homes is counter to deed restricted community concept and puts you all to task even more. The almighty $$ over what is best for your neighbors.

They should not allow short term rentals here either stay for at least two weeks or stay home. Prefer to know who is living around us

Always rolling 04-16-2022 09:47 AM

Pool violations
 
Phones are at every pool and with phone number listed. The Rec. Department is responsible for checking ID’s. The community watch drivers are there to check the building and look for items that need to be repaired. They can also check ID’s.

HIgolfers 04-16-2022 09:59 AM

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Originally Posted by jimlambert (Post 2084162)
I’ve lived here 11 years but never heard visitors aren’t allowed in sports pools. I’m sure I’m not the only one. Is it really a problem or does it just drive the negative people crazy?

Do you use the sports pools? Because the rule is pretty well- known among those of us who do use them .

Sherry8bal 04-16-2022 10:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Bob.Betty (Post 2083745)

Can anyone tell me why they no longer check i.d.'s in the pools? We saw people smoking, and also commenting that if you see a community watch person come in to jump in the pool so they don't check your id. We've seen numerous people who were obviously under the age of 30 in adult pools, It seems to be out of control.

That's because there are so many people who don't even live in The Villages who are using our pools. If you are "in the water", no staff will ask for you to get out to show them your I.D. Ever notice how many automobiles are in the pool parking lots? Think about it, if you went to a pool near your home, you would take your golf cart. Those who don't live here bring their cars!!!!!!!!

MartinSE 04-16-2022 10:24 AM

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Originally Posted by JMintzer (Post 2084094)
I'm more concerned with those people who never seem to get out of the water "violating" the pool... :shocked::shocked::shocked:

So true, and the older they are the less time they SHOULD stay in the pool, for uh, biological reasons. LOL!

MartinSE 04-16-2022 10:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Sherry8bal (Post 2084198)
That's because there are so many people who don't even live in The Villages who are using our pools. If you are "in the water", no staff will ask for you to get out to show them your I.D. Ever notice how many automobiles are in the pool parking lots? Think about it, if you went to a pool near your home, you would take your golf cart. Those who don't live here bring their cars!!!!!!!!

Uh, this is going to come as a shock, we don't have a golf cart, don't want a golf cart, and have no plans to buy one to just go to the pool.

Not all cars are the pool are owned by non-residents.

MartinSE 04-16-2022 10:27 AM

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Originally Posted by OhioBuckeye (Post 2084179)
don’t come here & make jokes about it.

Uh, hmmm... okay, uh, I promise from now on I will not make any jokes here that you don't find funny.

MartinSE 04-16-2022 10:31 AM

I guess I am curious why they don't have card readers and locked gates. Is it expensive vs effectiveness? It doesn't seem to be that big of a problem in McClure, but I assume from all the concern expressed here, that it is a problem.

And would residents that are complaining about lack of supervision be willing to pay higher amenity fees to have full time attendants checking IDs on entry? Or would you give up other amenities to pay for the full time attendant?

schwarz 04-16-2022 10:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Sherry8bal (Post 2084198)
That's because there are so many people who don't even live in The Villages who are using our pools. If you are "in the water", no staff will ask for you to get out to show them your I.D. Ever notice how many automobiles are in the pool parking lots? Think about it, if you went to a pool near your home, you would take your golf cart. Those who don't live here bring their cars!!!!!!!!

If folks are in the pool and too young or are questionable, we RAs ask for them to get out and show their IDs.

fdpaq0580 04-16-2022 10:50 AM

One thing that I have never understood is why simply going into the pool exempts one from having to show their I'd. In the pool , must be prepared to have I'd scaned.

FLBeans 04-16-2022 10:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Bob.Betty (Post 2083745)
Can anyone tell me why they no longer check i.d.'s in the pools? We saw people smoking, and also commenting that if you see a community watch person come in to jump in the pool so they don't check your id. We've seen numerous people who were obviously under the age of 30 in adult pools, It seems to be out of control.

Wow! These forums are unbelievable. I certainly can see a lot of homes being sold in the near future. The crime is seeping in. I saw on YouTube about the school being built right in the Villages. Is this true? Here come all those teenaged punks with their black hoodies in Florida swarming in the pools + “shopping” in the markets. Car jacking old people? You betcha! TV is a BIG bulls eye. :) You think these punks will obey a little old person like a cop asking to see ID??? OMG. Lol. TV won’t be able to do a damn thing about it. Just enjoy the peace there now whilst you have it. Soon TV will be like the rest of America. Lol. :)
Let’s not bring politics into this. EVERYONE is to blame.

MartinSE 04-16-2022 10:55 AM

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Originally Posted by fdpaq0580 (Post 2084220)
One thing that I have never understood is why simply going into the pool exempts one from having to show their I'd. In the pool , must be prepared to have I'd scaned.

Ever been to a commercial pool. I grew up in Ft Lauderdale. There was a nice commercial pool I went to often. There were no ids - except when you entered. You could buy a pass and show it as you entered.

My point is, WHY can someone who is not supposed to be there able to get in, why isn't there a locked gate and either an attendant or card reader. Sure, someone could loan their pass to someone that isn't supposed to use it, but fines could be enforced for that.

Don't know, just sounds like a problem that has been solved every where except here, and I was wondering why?

Stu from NYC 04-16-2022 10:56 AM

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Originally Posted by MartinSE (Post 2084210)
Uh, this is going to come as a shock, we don't have a golf cart, don't want a golf cart, and have no plans to buy one to just go to the pool.

Not all cars are the pool are owned by non-residents.

We are also in the very exclusive club of villagers w/o golf carts. For a small fee we do accept new members,

MartinSE 04-16-2022 10:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Stu from NYC (Post 2084226)
We are also in the very exclusive club of villagers w/o golf carts. For a small fee we do accept new members,

LOL! I am all in on that Idea.

Stu from NYC 04-16-2022 10:59 AM

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Originally Posted by FLBeans (Post 2084223)
Wow! These forums are unbelievable. I certainly can see a lot of homes being sold in the near future. The crime is seeping in. I saw on YouTube about the school being built right in the Villages. Is this true? Here come all those teenaged punks with their black hoodies in Florida swarming in the pools + “shopping” in the markets. Car jacking old people? You betcha! TV is a BIG bulls eye. :) You think these punks will obey a little old person like a cop asking to see ID??? OMG. Lol. TV won’t be able to do a damn thing about it. Just enjoy the peace there now whilst you have it. Soon TV will be like the rest of America. Lol. :)
Let’s not bring politics into this. EVERYONE is to blame.

Your post makes me say wow and thinking about buying firearms for us as well as a locked room to hide in. I will make sure we read the Village Sun cover to cover to make sure we know all about this crime wave.

Stu from NYC 04-16-2022 11:01 AM

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Originally Posted by MartinSE (Post 2084229)
LOL! I am all in on that Idea.

Since it was my idea I get to keep 87.5% of the fees and deduct expenses off the top.

Carlsondm 04-16-2022 11:43 AM

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Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby (Post 2084172)
This has nothing to do with picking and choosing who can and cannot use the adult pools based on their pleasantness.

There is an age requirement. No matter how nice this couple was, they showed a very decisive, intentional lack of respect to YOU by choosing to violate the rules.

The adult pool is not your personal pool where you get to make or break the rules, or decide who gets to break them on everyone else's behalf.

If you let a 25-year old couple hang out at the 30+ pool, then you need to let the 20-year-old couple hang out at it. If you let them hang out at it, then you need to let the 15-year-old couple hang out at it. And then that 25-year-old couple should be allowed to bring their infant baby and 2-year-old.

When you break the rule to accommodate the interests of one, at the expense of the interests of everyone else, then you invalidate the rule.

We have family pools, set up JUST so that people under 30 have a place to go. That is where they should go.

Breath, stretch, and loosen up. Many of the ‘rule s’ should likely be revisited. Some of the visitors may be coming to adult pools because many are deeper than the wading pool/sports pools. Also, they are more relaxing …chairs and lounges are allowed. You can sit by the water. Each has a different atmosphere. I doubt they mean any disrespect.
Perhaps we need a TV meeting to discuss the intent of the rules and how improvements can be submitted. The list of allowed toys is out of date.


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