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garykoca427@gmail.com 12-07-2023 07:10 AM

Walkers
 
I stay on the side streets. Oncoming traffic is no problem to avoid.

Berwin 12-07-2023 07:24 AM

Looking back, everywhere I lived that was not out in the countryside had sidewalks except here. Some months back, there was a thread on here of people complaining about the sidewalks being built along 441/27. I guess one main difference is there were children in those areas.

Blueblaze 12-07-2023 07:29 AM

The Villages is not "walker friendly"? Give me a break! This is the most walker-friendly place I have seen on Planet Earth! The only streets without sidewalks are neighborhoods -- where the speed limit is 10mph!

Those "diamond lanes" ARE the sidewalk! Walkers have a right to use them as such. You -- the one steering a 2-ton vehicle -- have the responsibility to stay out of them. I walk my dog daily -- him on the curb, me on the gutter -- and I couldn't tell you how many times I've been forced to leap to safety when I came around a corner to find some idiot straddling the line, yakking on their phone -- which wouldn't surprise me if that was the cause of this thread in the first place.

As with every other whine I read on TOV, it could all be solved with an ounce of common sense and a teaspoon of courtesy. For instance -- I always yield the lane to golf carts, so they don't have to merge with car traffic to avoid me. I don't have to do that, but it's much easier for me and much less dangerous for everyone if I simply step off the lane for a moment. The only walkers I've seen who don't attempt to yield the lane, simply aren't that agile anymore. Seriously, the only place in the Villages I haven't found to be full of friendly, courteous people who would do that is TOV.

Nobody has a "responsibility" to walk single-file on a sidewalk that you're not suppose to be driving in. If two people enjoying the morning, walking side-by-side in the diamond lane bothers you, the sun rising every day must really get your goat!

You're retired! Slow down, and relax! Wave at your neighbors instead of flaming them on TOV!

nn0wheremann 12-07-2023 09:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Topspinmo (Post 2280213)
Florida law states;

“Where sidewalks are not provided, any pedestrian walking along and upon a highway shall, when practicable, walk only on the shoulder on the left side of the roadway in relation to the pedestrian's direction of travel, facing traffic which may approach from the opposite direction.”

So, why some walkers walk 2 or more abreast when walking in diamond lanes, MMP, and streets? Clearly not walking with safety in mind when traffic coming.

Walkers are responsible for their own safety walking single file and on left side edge of road. Not strolling down two or more abreast when traffic coming with the I am special attitude.

I see some like challenge oncoming traffic by walking in diamond lanes right up to white line. IMO this dangerous when vehicles in both lanes and walkers meet at same time.

Now I sure some going to say MMP and diamond lanes are not roads as stated in regulation. But, I sure smart enough to realize the intent of regulation when vehicles and pedestrians are mingling on roads. Diamond lanes are extension of road and MMPs are roads.

ROADS;

“road is a thoroughfare for the conveyance of traffic that mostly has an improved surface for use by vehicles (motorized and non-motorized) and pedestrians ...”

“The multi-modal paths are designated for use by non-automotive, non-vehicular traffic such as bicycles, golf cars and pedestrians.”
< https://www.districtgov.org/PdfUploa...pdf?v=20230706 >
MMPs include the “diamond lanes” on Villages streets.
Perhaps the rules of navigation on the sea or in the air might well be applied on the MMPs. Yield right of way to the least maneuverable mode of transport. Autos yield to pedestrians and bicycles. Bicyclists yield to pedestrians.
Be nice.

Topspinmo 12-07-2023 10:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Blueblaze (Post 2280417)
The Villages is not "walker friendly"? Give me a break! This is the most walker-friendly place I have seen on Planet Earth! The only streets without sidewalks are neighborhoods -- where the speed limit is 10mph!

Those "diamond lanes" ARE the sidewalk! Walkers have a right to use them as such. You -- the one steering a 2-ton vehicle -- have the responsibility to stay out of them. I walk my dog daily -- him on the curb, me on the gutter -- and I couldn't tell you how many times I've been forced to leap to safety when I came around a corner to find some idiot straddling the line, yakking on their phone -- which wouldn't surprise me if that was the cause of this thread in the first place.

As with every other whine I read on TOV, it could all be solved with an ounce of common sense and a teaspoon of courtesy. For instance -- I always yield the lane to golf carts, so they don't have to merge with car traffic to avoid me. I don't have to do that, but it's much easier for me and much less dangerous for everyone if I simply step off the lane for a moment. The only walkers I've seen who don't attempt to yield the lane, simply aren't that agile anymore. Seriously, the only place in the Villages I haven't found to be full of friendly, courteous people who would do that is TOV.

Nobody has a "responsibility" to walk single-file on a sidewalk that you're not suppose to be driving in. If two people enjoying the morning, walking side-by-side in the diamond lane bothers you, the sun rising every day must really get your goat!

You're retired! Slow down, and relax! Wave at your neighbors instead of flaming them on TOV!

So you encourage disregard Florida regulations walking side by side putting safety in danger cause after all walkers are entitled and can walk out in front of speeding train and claim it train fault.

G.R.I.T.S. 12-07-2023 10:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Topspinmo (Post 2280213)
Florida law states;

“Where sidewalks are not provided, any pedestrian walking along and upon a highway shall, when practicable, walk only on the shoulder on the left side of the roadway in relation to the pedestrian's direction of travel, facing traffic which may approach from the opposite direction.”

So, why some walkers walk 2 or more abreast when walking in diamond lanes, MMP, and streets? Clearly not walking with safety in mind when traffic coming.

Walkers are responsible for their own safety walking single file and on left side edge of road. Not strolling down two or more abreast when traffic coming with the I am special attitude.

I see some like challenge oncoming traffic by walking in diamond lanes right up to white line. IMO this dangerous when vehicles in both lanes and walkers meet at same time.

Now I sure some going to say MMP and diamond lanes are not roads as stated in regulation. But, I sure smart enough to realize the intent of regulation when vehicles and pedestrians are mingling on roads. Diamond lanes are extension of road and MMPs are roads.

ROADS;

“road is a thoroughfare for the conveyance of traffic that mostly has an improved surface for use by vehicles (motorized and non-motorized) and pedestrians ...”

A few years ago, The Village of Sunset Pointe tragically had a pedestrian death under those circumstances. The cart driver was cited as the cause because of inattentiveness, which can never bring solace to a grieving family. Also, please tell your visiting young relatives to jog on the left side of the paths and roads. They seem clueless to the danger older cart/car drivers present.

Bill14564 12-07-2023 10:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nn0wheremann (Post 2280474)
“The multi-modal paths are designated for use by non-automotive, non-vehicular traffic such as bicycles, golf cars and pedestrians.”
< https://www.districtgov.org/PdfUploa...pdf?v=20230706 >
MMPs include the “diamond lanes” on Villages streets.
Perhaps the rules of navigation on the sea or in the air might well be applied on the MMPs. Yield right of way to the least maneuverable mode of transport. Autos yield to pedestrians and bicycles. Bicyclists yield to pedestrians.
Be nice.

Wrong link.

MMPs do not include the "diamond lanes" on Villages streets. MMPs are private, multi-modal paths. The diamond lanes on Villages streets are sections of public highways.

You have your maneuverability backwards. Pedestrians are more maneuverable than bicycles which are more maneuverable than autos.

Blueblaze 12-07-2023 11:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Topspinmo (Post 2280485)
So you encourage disregard Florida regulations walking side by side putting safety in danger cause after all walkers are entitled and can walk out in front of speeding train and claim it train fault.

Your "Florida regulation" refers to streets without a sidewalk -- i.e that diamond lane, designated for pedestrians and golf carts.

Florida regulations require you to keep your car off that sidewalk. But how the pedestrians on that sidewalk choose to walk on the lane designated for that purpose is neither any of your business or any concern to the "Florida regulation" you keep referring to. If they choose to walk single-file, it's a courtesy to the golf carts who are authorized to use that lane, not you.

Instead of harassing your neighbors on TOV, you will be happier here if leave your big city attitudes at whichever big city you retired from and try just getting along with your fellow retirees, many of whom enjoy a morning walk with their neighbors on the multitude of designated sidewalks in our retirement community.

Instead of grumbling at them, try waving!

Bill14564 12-07-2023 11:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Blueblaze (Post 2280512)
Your "Florida regulation" refers to streets without a sidewalk -- i.e that diamond lane, designated for pedestrians and golf carts.

Florida regulations require you to keep your car off that sidewalk. But how the pedestrians on that sidewalk choose to walk on the lane designated for that purpose is neither any of your business or any concern to the "Florida regulation" you keep referring to. If they choose to walk single-file, it's a courtesy to the golf carts who are authorized to use that lane, not you.

Instead of harassing your neighbors on TOV, you will be happier here if leave your big city attitudes at whichever big city you retired from and try just getting along with your fellow retirees, many of whom enjoy a morning walk with their neighbors on the multitude of designated sidewalks in our retirement community.

Instead of grumbling at them, try waving!

The diamond lanes ARE NOT sidewalks. The diamond lanes are lanes of the roadway designated for a particular purpose - in this case golf carts. It is only reasonable that pedestrians and bicyclists would also use this lane as they are normally required to stay near the edge of the roadway but that does not make the lane a sidewalk.

Topspinmo 12-07-2023 02:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nn0wheremann (Post 2280474)
“The multi-modal paths are designated for use by non-automotive, non-vehicular traffic such as bicycles, golf cars and pedestrians.”
< https://www.districtgov.org/PdfUploa...pdf?v=20230706 >
MMPs include the “diamond lanes” on Villages streets.
Perhaps the rules of navigation on the sea or in the air might well be applied on the MMPs. Yield right of way to the least maneuverable mode of transport. Autos yield to pedestrians and bicycles. Bicyclists yield to pedestrians.
Be nice.


No it’s pretty plain it’s road. If walking abreast you hogging the path not sharing it.

Topspinmo 12-07-2023 02:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Blueblaze (Post 2280512)
Your "Florida regulation" refers to streets without a sidewalk -- i.e that diamond lane, designated for pedestrians and golf carts.

Florida regulations require you to keep your car off that sidewalk. But how the pedestrians on that sidewalk choose to walk on the lane designated for that purpose is neither any of your business or any concern to the "Florida regulation" you keep referring to. If they choose to walk single-file, it's a courtesy to the golf carts who are authorized to use that lane, not you.

Instead of harassing your neighbors on TOV, you will be happier here if leave your big city attitudes at whichever big city you retired from and try just getting along with your fellow retirees, many of whom enjoy a morning walk with their neighbors on the multitude of designated sidewalks in our retirement community.

Instead of grumbling at them, try waving!

Not harassing anyone just stating Florida regulations. But I see you have you own special interpretation.

it’s road. how hard is that to understand?

Topspinmo 12-07-2023 02:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by G.R.I.T.S. (Post 2280488)
A few years ago, The Village of Sunset Pointe tragically had a pedestrian death under those circumstances. The cart driver was cited as the cause because of inattentiveness, which can never bring solace to a grieving family. Also, please tell your visiting young relatives to jog on the left side of the paths and roads. They seem clueless to the danger older cart/car drivers present.

Totally agree, that’s why as walker including me have to ready to get out of road. Vehicle have several blind spots if you can’t see the head of driver they can’t see you.

VApeople 12-07-2023 04:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Blueblaze (Post 2280417)
The Villages is not "walker friendly"? Give me a break! This is the most walker-friendly place I have seen on Planet Earth!

I couldn't tell you how many times I've been forced to leap to safety when I came around a corner to find some idiot straddling the line, yakking on their phone.

That's funny! I guess The Villages is "walker friendly" if you are able to "leap to safety" on occasion.

BobnBev 12-07-2023 06:06 PM

I can see that the OP has trouble figuring out roundabouts, also.

Topspinmo 12-07-2023 11:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BobnBev (Post 2280597)
I can see that the OP has trouble figuring out roundabouts, also.


So you’re one strolling down the diamond lane walking on white line looking for getto lottery.:coolsmiley:


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