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RobinM 12-08-2023 07:34 AM

From my home to Buena Vista up north is over a mile on shared roads. There are always many walkers and carts. When I’m driving I do my best to give every one of them a wide berth. I drive the speed limit when they’re present and move toward the center of the road when I can. When there is oncoming traffic, I slow down until I can move toward the center. BUT to allow myself the freedom to do this, I have to leave early if I have an appointment. This shouldn’t be a hard concept in a 55+ community.

Vermilion Villager 12-08-2023 11:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Topspinmo (Post 2280213)
Florida law states;

“Where sidewalks are not provided, any pedestrian walking along and upon a highway shall, when practicable, walk only on the shoulder on the left side of the roadway in relation to the pedestrian's direction of travel, facing traffic which may approach from the opposite direction.”

So, why some walkers walk 2 or more abreast when walking in diamond lanes, MMP, and streets? Clearly not walking with safety in mind when traffic coming.

Walkers are responsible for their own safety walking single file and on left side edge of road. Not strolling down two or more abreast when traffic coming with the I am special attitude.

I see some like challenge oncoming traffic by walking in diamond lanes right up to white line. IMO this dangerous when vehicles in both lanes and walkers meet at same time.

Now I sure some going to say MMP and diamond lanes are not roads as stated in regulation. But, I sure smart enough to realize the intent of regulation when vehicles and pedestrians are mingling on roads. Diamond lanes are extension of road and MMPs are roads.

ROADS;

“road is a thoroughfare for the conveyance of traffic that mostly has an improved surface for use by vehicles (motorized and non-motorized) and pedestrians ...”

So what's your point?
I can guarantee you in the state of Florida if you hit a pedestrian with your golf cart you are going to pay dearly through your insurance company and maybe even beyond that. Unless you can somehow prove that pedestrian jumped out in front of you and you were not able to stop your cart in time you are liable. As far as criminally the first thing a police officer is going to ask you is "did you see that pedestrian or not?"
You attempt to define MMP's under Florida law. Unfortunately your analysis is incorrect. The Community Development Districts (CDD) is a governmental body in the state of Florida. They define MMP's separately from roads, and their language is controlling.

The multi-modal paths are for use by NON-AUTOMOTIVE traffic such as bicycles, golf carts, pedestrians, and skaters. It is not legal… nor is it smart…to drive vehicles such as smart cars, motorcycles, or mopeds on any of the multi-modal paths in The Villages.
Multi-Modal Path Information and Safety.

Two Bills 12-08-2023 11:33 AM

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Originally Posted by BobnBev (Post 2280597)
I can see that the OP has trouble figuring out roundabouts, also.

Actually Mo spent time in UK during his military service.
He learnt the proper way to negotiate a roundabout from the experts.
I always found serving and ex-cops were the main problem in roundabouts!:p

Topspinmo 12-08-2023 03:18 PM

[QUOTE=Vermilion Villager;2280806]So what's your point?
I can guarantee you in the state of Florida if you hit a pedestrian with your golf cart you are going to pay dearly through your insurance company and maybe even beyond that. Unless you can somehow prove that pedestrian jumped out in front of you and you were not able to stop your cart in time you are liable. As far as criminally the first thing a police officer is going to ask you is "did you see that pedestrian or not?"
You attempt to define MMP's under Florida law. Unfortunately your analysis is incorrect. The Community Development Districts (CDD) is a governmental body in the state of Florida. They define MMP's separately from roads, and their language is controlling.

The multi-modal paths are for use by NON-AUTOMOTIVE traffic such as bicycles, golf carts, pedestrians, and skaters. It is not legal… nor is it smart…to drive vehicles such as smart cars, motorcycles, or mopeds on any of the multi-modal paths in The Villages.
Multi-Modal Path Information and Safety.[/QUOTE

Hitting someone has nothing to do with following guidelines. You hit some one it on you or them? .

MMP fits description of road. Florida has rules for walking on road. Walkers need follow rules also for their own safety. I could add bikers must follow traffic laws when on road, MMP road, just like golf carts have to drive on right side and follow traffic laws. Why should walkers be any different?

Again I walk 4 miles day, I don’t hesitate to get out of road regardless if I’m in the right. It’s my responsibility to stay out of harms way. Also if golf cart approaching and vehicle close behind it I get out of diamond lane to remove possibly of accident when golf cart has to avoid me.

Topspinmo 12-08-2023 03:20 PM

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Originally Posted by RobinM (Post 2280689)
From my home to Buena Vista up north is over a mile on shared roads. There are always many walkers and carts. When I’m driving I do my best to give every one of them a wide berth. I drive the speed limit when they’re present and move toward the center of the road when I can. When there is oncoming traffic, I slow down until I can move toward the center. BUT to allow myself the freedom to do this, I have to leave early if I have an appointment. This shouldn’t be a hard concept in a 55+ community.

Unless they trying to make their third tee time? :gc:

Topspinmo 12-08-2023 03:22 PM

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Originally Posted by VApeople (Post 2280582)
That's funny! I guess The Villages is "walker friendly" if you are able to "leap to safety" on occasion.

I don’t hesitate to leap, jump, or dive.:D

Topspinmo 12-12-2023 05:21 PM

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Originally Posted by drdoug59 (Post 2280396)
singapore , a blue zone, where people live a lot longer,and are healthier than the villages.


Then why did you leave?

willis100 12-12-2023 06:54 PM

Might be the ME,ME,ME attitude that is mostly out of control in todays world and many times includes myself.

Freehiker 12-12-2023 07:09 PM

I’d just be happy if they wouldn’t walk in the dark, while wearing dark clothes, and not having any sort of reflective device or light…..

Topspinmo 12-12-2023 11:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Vermilion Villager (Post 2280806)
So what's your point?
I can guarantee you in the state of Florida if you hit a pedestrian with your golf cart you are going to pay dearly through your insurance company and maybe even beyond that. Unless you can somehow prove that pedestrian jumped out in front of you and you were not able to stop your cart in time you are liable. As far as criminally the first thing a police officer is going to ask you is "did you see that pedestrian or not?"
You attempt to define MMP's under Florida law. Unfortunately your analysis is incorrect. The Community Development Districts (CDD) is a governmental body in the state of Florida. They define MMP's separately from roads, and their language is controlling.

The multi-modal paths are for use by NON-AUTOMOTIVE traffic such as bicycles, golf carts, pedestrians, and skaters. It is not legal… nor is it smart…to drive vehicles such as smart cars, motorcycles, or mopeds on any of the multi-modal paths in The Villages.
Multi-Modal Path Information and Safety.

So what’s you saying they’re no rules right. So I can drive my golf cart down the left lane on MMP? NO! It still considered road by Florida definition regulations and that should trump minimum local unincorporated Opinion.

Might way read all rules on walking on streets/road/private roads

ttp://www.leg.state.fl.us/statutes/index.cfm?App_mode=Display_Statute&URL=0300-0399/0316/Sections/0316.130.html


Definitions of roadway: Roadways means surfaces on which vehicles travel. This term includes public and private highways, roads, streets, parking areas, and driveways.

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