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Raywatkins 08-18-2023 04:28 AM

Look in Florida Drivers handbook.
Pedestrians have right of way.

Altawood 08-18-2023 04:50 AM

Pedestrians have the right-of-way
 
All of the ‘Cart Paths’ are multi-modal transportation arteries made for Pedestrians, Bicycles and Golf Carts. Courtesy would dictate that pedestrians walk to the side to allow others to pass. I have seen drivers texting while navigating carts down the path which is wholly irresponsible.
The Multi-Modal Paths are not Golf Cart Paths.

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Originally Posted by ghg7689 (Post 2246714)
Most walkers on golf cart pathways walk in the direction of the traffic. Logically, this is so they can see oncoming traffic with the intent to avoid getting run over.
Unfortunately, most times it becomes a game of “chicken”.
The intent of seeing the traffic allows the walkers to avoid the traffic by moving on the grass as a courtesy instead of forcing the golf carts onto the oncoming traffic.
It is especially frustrating and dangerous when traffic is on both sides of the path the walker remains on the pathway forcing the traffic to avoid the walker and onto the oncoming traffic.
If a walker refuses to yield to traffic, than walk on the side with the direction of the traffic.
Then the traffic is required to avoid the walker as the walker strolls merrily down the pathway.


Sandy and Ed 08-18-2023 05:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Topspinmo (Post 2246745)
I don’t have that problem when I walk, I just step off the path/diamond lane and remove any chance of getting hit. That way I don’t have argue who’s right or who’s wrong.

And courtesy is a two way street. I walk slower than a cart and if I’m walking I probably am not in a rush to make a tee time. Just step off the road and let them pass. No big deal.

pvetrano1 08-18-2023 06:21 AM

Another genius !

mikeycereal 08-18-2023 06:24 AM

When I see a walker on the golf cart path I slow down and give them a wide berth whether they are facing me or not. That's their choice to walk either way but I walk facing traffic so I can see people coming. I myself would not walk on a golf cart path because I don't trust other drivers. I would be one who would calmly step in the grass when I see a cart coming. But I'll just stick to the walking/bike paths and enjoy those.

Carlsondm 08-18-2023 06:46 AM

First it’s a multimodal path (MMP), not just a cart path. Second, the walkers did not design the paths or there would be extra room in places to get over safely. Landscaping comes down to the mmp frequently, so walkers and other users have to be patient and courteous. Slow down and enjoy the trip. It’s a great way to meet new people!

Bogie Shooter 08-18-2023 06:50 AM

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Originally Posted by mikeycereal (Post 2247005)
When I see a walker on the golf cart path I slow down and give them a wide berth whether they are facing me or not. That's their choice to walk either way but I walk facing traffic so I can see people coming. I myself would not walk on a golf cart path because I don't trust other drivers. I would be one who would calmly step in the grass when I see a cart coming. But I'll just stick to the walking/bike paths and enjoy those.

I have only once in 20 years seen a walker on “the golf cart path”, now multi-modal………

ffresh 08-18-2023 07:35 AM

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Originally Posted by manaboutown (Post 2246772)
They are NOT "golf cart pathways" as the OP calls them. They are "multi-modal paths". Share the paths!

Multi-Modal Path Information and Safety

With a bit of research, I believe you will conclude that these are not multi-modals paths being referred to but specialty lanes (within the boundary of a roadway). While it is perfectly acceptable for pedestrians to utilize multi-modal paths, FL statutes prohibit pedestrians from walking on the road surface if a sidewalk is provided - not directed toward you but DUH :shrug:

Blackie covered it very well in the following response in 2017:
12-20-2017, 08:37 PM

Florida Statute 316.130 Pedestrians; traffic regulations.—

(3) Where sidewalks are provided, no pedestrian shall, unless required by other circumstances, walk along and upon the portion of a roadway paved for vehicular traffic.

4) Where sidewalks are not provided, any pedestrian walking along and upon a highway shall, when practicable, walk only on the shoulder on the left side of the roadway in relation to the pedestrian’s direction of travel, facing traffic which may approach from the opposite direction.

"I believe all of the roads that have diamond lanes, south of 466, have sidewalks so Statute 316.130 (3) would apply. Being in the road/diamond lane is illegal you must be on the sidewalk.

If you are talking about north of 466, where there may not be a sidewalk, then Statute 316.130 (4) applies and you are taking a big chance
".

In the United States and Canada, a diamond lane is a special lane on a street or highway that is reserved for specific types of traffic. These lanes are usually marked with white diamonds or lozenges, and hence their name. (Wikipedia)

Multimodal paths are sometimes located adjacent to a roadway but are usually separated by a barrier

https://www.**************.com/2018/...or-golf-carts/
Multi-modal or Shared-Use Paths are paved, off-street travel ways designed to serve non-motorized travelers. Across our community, golf carts and bicyclists are typically the most common users of shared-use paths. However, shared-use paths are frequently also used by pedestrians, roller skaters, skateboarders, wheelchair users, and users of many other modes except automotive.

Diamonds painted on the road indicate a restricted lane, which means only vehicles meeting certain criteria may use the lane

Multi-modal or Shared-Use Paths are paved, off-street travel ways designed to serve non-motorized travelers.

From Topic #625-000-002
FDOT Design Manual


https://
www.fdot.gov/docs/default-source/roadway/FDM/current/2018FDM224SharedUsePaths.pdf


224 Shared Use Paths
224.1 General
This chapter contains the requirements for shared use paths that are contained within the State Highway System. Shared use paths are paved facilities physically separated from motorized vehicular traffic by an open space or barrier ...

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msilagy 08-18-2023 07:58 AM

It's interesting when walking on a golf cart path with the walking villagers and we all are single file on the edge many of the golf carts go flying by without any regard to the walkers while others are more aware and polite and slow down. The latter are greatly appreciated. We try to stay off these paths but with 6 mi walks sometimes it's necessary. Says a lot about courtesy, doesn't it????

graciegirl 08-18-2023 08:02 AM

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Originally Posted by ghg7689 (Post 2246714)
Most walkers on golf cart pathways walk in the direction of the traffic. Logically, this is so they can see oncoming traffic with the intent to avoid getting run over.
Unfortunately, most times it becomes a game of “chicken”.
The intent of seeing the traffic allows the walkers to avoid the traffic by moving on the grass as a courtesy instead of forcing the golf carts onto the oncoming traffic.
It is especially frustrating and dangerous when traffic is on both sides of the path the walker remains on the pathway forcing the traffic to avoid the walker and onto the oncoming traffic.
If a walker refuses to yield to traffic, than walk on the side with the direction of the traffic.
Then the traffic is required to avoid the walker as the walker strolls merrily down the pathway.

When the walker on the golf cart path is walking "wrong", than it is up to us drivers to slow down and go carefully around said walker.

Next?

jimbomaybe 08-18-2023 08:08 AM

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Originally Posted by ghg7689 (Post 2246714)
Most walkers on golf cart pathways walk in the direction of the traffic. Logically, this is so they can see oncoming traffic with the intent to avoid getting run over.
Unfortunately, most times it becomes a game of “chicken”.
The intent of seeing the traffic allows the walkers to avoid the traffic by moving on the grass as a courtesy instead of forcing the golf carts onto the oncoming traffic.
It is especially frustrating and dangerous when traffic is on both sides of the path the walker remains on the pathway forcing the traffic to avoid the walker and onto the oncoming traffic.
If a walker refuses to yield to traffic, than walk on the side with the direction of the traffic.
Then the traffic is required to avoid the walker as the walker strolls merrily down the pathway.

In the unfortunate event you are involved with a traffic altercation with your golf cart and a pedestrian you could be asked why your post seems to suggest you would have the right of way over a pedestrian

golfing eagles 08-18-2023 08:28 AM

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Originally Posted by ghg7689 (Post 2246714)
Most walkers on golf cart pathways walk in the direction of the traffic. Logically, this is so they can see oncoming traffic with the intent to avoid getting run over.
Unfortunately, most times it becomes a game of “chicken”.
The intent of seeing the traffic allows the walkers to avoid the traffic by moving on the grass as a courtesy instead of forcing the golf carts onto the oncoming traffic.
It is especially frustrating and dangerous when traffic is on both sides of the path the walker remains on the pathway forcing the traffic to avoid the walker and onto the oncoming traffic.
If a walker refuses to yield to traffic, than walk on the side with the direction of the traffic.
Then the traffic is required to avoid the walker as the walker strolls merrily down the pathway.

A couple problems with that post:

A walker is not required to jump off the path when a cart (or cycle) approaches. Plus, there are sections of MMP that just don't have the space to do that.

A "courtesy" is just that, the pedestrian is not required to give a courtesy. On the other hand, the cart is required to yield the right of way.

A cart driver is not forced to drive in the opposite "lane" or into oncoming traffic by a pedestrian, he chooses to do so. The law would suggest he must take the other option---STOP or slow down until the oncoming lane is clear. I have no idea why any cart driver would think they are entitled to drive at max speed on a MMP, never slowing down, stopping or yielding. Actually, I do, I just wrote it----ENTITLEMENT

And finally, the last 2 sentences of the OP suggests that a cart only has to avoid pedestrians walking in the same direction as he is. Please don't test THAT theory.

NotGolfer 08-18-2023 08:29 AM

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Originally Posted by golfing eagles (Post 2246799)
I think I ran into that guy. He came up from a tunnel to merge into the main MMP and blew right through the stop sign at full speed just in front of me (He must have thought he was a cyclist:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:). When I reminded him of his wrongdoing with my horn, he gave me a one finger salute. When we both had to stop shortly after at a gate crossing, I verbally reminded him that the sign is big, red, octagonal and means STOP. He told me to blow it out my you know what. I was seriously tempted to give him a roadside colonoscopy with his pitching wedge---sideways.

We've all encountered someone like that if we've lived here any amount of time. I recall a guy coming out of a tunnel right after I'd passed it, over by the Sherrif's annex on 466. Apparently the guy was in a hurry for his softball game (he had on the clothes) and was late. Traffic was coming our way and he wanted to get past me. He was cursing and waving his fist. My first inclination would have been to slow down a bit just to be stubborn but thought it wasn't worth it, so pulled over. He went to pass me but stopped long enough to curse further. Hope he had a "good" day! Another time I was with a friend and had to stop at an intersection to cross. It was at that round-about going into LSL off of Buena Vista. Couldn't go as the car traffic was dense so the line behind me kept building. A guy about 3 or 4 carts back began to curse as he wanted things to move. My thought was "WOW!! So I should get killed so he can get wherever he felt he was more important to go??" People here need to dial it back. One day they might encounter someone who they can't intimidate!!

golfing eagles 08-18-2023 08:33 AM

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Originally Posted by NotGolfer (Post 2247079)
We've all encountered someone like that if we've lived here any amount of time. I recall a guy coming out of a tunnel right after I'd passed it, over by the Sherrif's annex on 466. Apparently the guy was in a hurry for his softball game (he had on the clothes) and was late. Traffic was coming our way and he wanted to get past me. He was cursing and waving his fist. My first inclination would have been to slow down a bit just to be stubborn but thought it wasn't worth it, so pulled over. He went to pass me but stopped long enough to curse further. Hope he had a "good" day! Another time I was with a friend and had to stop at an intersection to cross. It was at that round-about going into LSL off of Buena Vista. Couldn't go as the car traffic was dense so the line behind me kept building. A guy about 3 or 4 carts back began to curse as he wanted things to move. My thought was "WOW!! So I should get killed so he can get wherever he felt he was more important to go??" People here need to dial it back. One day they might encounter someone who they can't intimidate!!

So true, but as my son would say "It's a first world problem". And if these things are the worst we have to put up with, we're lucky--luckier than the 31 people who were shot in Chicago on a single weekend a few weeks back.

tophcfa 08-18-2023 08:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Raywatkins (Post 2246966)
Look in Florida Drivers Handbook.

I follow the law of physics handbook. Anything bigger and going faster has the right of way. The last thing in the world I want is to wind up in the hell hole that is the Village’s Hospital ER.


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