Originally Posted by graciegirl (Post 1821289)

Nothing to worry about for those renters. Last call is at nine isn't it?

Originally Posted by JoMar (Post 1821301)

Maybe. You assume that everyone there will have a car and they will all be driving around at the same time. Of course all the business's on 441 have nothing to contribute to the traffic do they? Assume you don't want them to close but if they did all those folks south of 466 wouldn't be traveling up that way would they, and that would reduce traffic, right?

Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby (Post 1821313)

Er, not exactly, no.

Spanish Springs
City Fire = 11. Gator's Dockside = midnite. McCall's Tavern = 11. Ruby Tuesday closes at 10. World of Beer closes at 9. But it's the exception, not the rule.

Sumter Landing
R.J. Gator's = 9. Sonny's BBQ = 9 Chop House = 11 Cody's = 10. Lighthouse Point closes at 8. Redsauce = 9

Brownwood
Has Cody's, World of Beer, Gator's Dockside, City Fire, and Ricciardi's, which closes at 10.

The outside tiki bar kiosks, when they were open, closed at 9.

So - the squares are still noisy and populated into the late hours, even if the entertainment and tiki bars IN the square stops at 9. When I worked in a shop in Sumter Landing, I'd often get out at 9:30 and it was still pretty lively at the restaurants closest to the squares.

Originally Posted by graciegirl (Post 1821190)

That is an exaggeration of the facts.

The Villages. Inc. are very successful financially and people who have lived here for awhile dislike to hear unwarranted criticism of the developer.

Originally Posted by perrjojo (Post 1821347)

Even if everything closes at nine I would still not want to hear the bands while I am trying to watch my favorite show on TV

Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby (Post 1821297)

In the Katie Belle situation, I can't think of anything to object about, as long as it is done on a small scale with long-term exclusive tenants (no sub-letting), and that amenity fees get paid PER UNIT rather than PER BUILDING.

In the situation of Hacienda CC, my concern is traffic. It's just way too close to the Paige Place roundabout and the hospital. In the summer time it's not bad, manageable. In the winter, traffic exiting to 441/27 from the roundabout can get really bad, and there are often accidents coming in FROM 441/27 TO that roundabout. Add another 300 units worth of traffic all condensed around a single building (or couple of buildings) spanning no more than the size of a single New York City block, and you have a nightmare.

Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby (Post 1821313)

Er, not exactly, no.

Spanish Springs
City Fire = 11. Gator's Dockside = midnite. McCall's Tavern = 11. Ruby Tuesday closes at 10. World of Beer closes at 9. But it's the exception, not the rule.

Sumter Landing
R.J. Gator's = 9. Sonny's BBQ = 9 Chop House = 11 Cody's = 10. Lighthouse Point closes at 8. Redsauce = 9

Brownwood
Has Cody's, World of Beer, Gator's Dockside, City Fire, and Ricciardi's, which closes at 10.

The outside tiki bar kiosks, when they were open, closed at 9.

So - the squares are still noisy and populated into the late hours, even if the entertainment and tiki bars IN the square stops at 9. When I worked in a shop in Sumter Landing, I'd often get out at 9:30 and it was still pretty lively at the restaurants closest to the squares.

Originally Posted by Stu from NYC (Post 1821075)

If they can make money at it they will keep doing it and nothing any of us can do to stop it apparently.

Originally Posted by graciegirl (Post 1821190)

That is an exaggeration of the facts.

The Villages. Inc. are very successful financially and people who have lived here for awhile dislike to hear unwarranted criticism of the developer.

Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby (Post 1821317)

I'm not talking about the traffic ON rte 441/27. I'm talking about people living in the Villages entering and exiting that traffic circle. That includes golf carts - which can't go on 441/27 anyway. It's a pretty scary traffic circle when it's busy. Adding 300 units of apartments less than 2 blocks from that traffic circle means a LOT more traffic driving around that traffic circle, when it's busy.

Originally Posted by alwann (Post 1821057)

Apartments planned in former restaurant. Katie Belle's upstairs might become apartments. Daily News reports:

Ryan McCabe, The Villages operations manager. “That sort of small-town, walk-to-everything convenience really appeals to some retirees; and, with the positive response we’ve had at Brownwood, we wanted to offer that same option to folks who love Spanish Springs.”

Oh, go ahead and make it an Airbnb and find some vacant space for RV hook-ups while you're at it. How about Section 8 housing? Good money it that too.

Originally Posted by SIRE1 (Post 1821288)

I have a hard time understanding what is the big objection to having apartments in The Villages. First, we can't object to having non-permanent residents living and playing in our community because we probably already have a thousand homes that are being rented in The Villages today (and without any age or time restrictions). Second, we can't object to having living spaces close together because look at the existing row house units that are already around Spanish Springs and Glenview CC that are being enjoyed by their owners. Third, we can't object to having more people in The Villages who will support our local businesses and restaurants so they stay in business because The Villages is already building 100 new homes a month (I'm guessing on that amount). Fourth, we can't object to having large housing structures because look at all the assisted living facilities we have that are filled with residents who can still get out and enjoy The Villages lifestyle. So what is the concern about having apartments in our community? As a seasonal resident, I probably would have chosen that route instead of buying and maintaining the home that I bought. As long as The Villages continues to build recreation facilities that we all can use to go along with those apartments, I say great. After all, The Villages is no longer a small community like it was, but a town of 130,000 + people.