First year taxes are higher because of homesteading.
 

You cannot get a homestead to be in the first tax bill. It isn’t figured in until the second year. So your tax bill from year one doesn’t compare to year two if you homestead and have movedfrom another home that was homesteaded.

And this.


The POA Working Hard For TV Residents (poke here)


Sorry, but since the POA is so busy ensuring that we don't get bulldozed or ripped off by Da Family (whether one cares or not)...they don't have any wheelchairs to temporarily loan out.

You'll have to get those from Da Family's sock-puppet/mouthpiece/propaganda organization. :shrug:
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If only the POA would stick to the business of advocating for the residents and stay out of other issues like politics.

I still wish we had a third group that was more unbiased and less against the developer.

Until then, I will stay away from the POA. Just my opinion.

There are so few issues that really need any group at all. Just call warranty. I think they are awesome.

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ODE: Kind of hanging onto the past aren't we. I did not find ODE as much of an honor when this was handed to me +30 years ago. Zzzzzzzzzzzzzz And I was named player of the week in 8th grade after our third football game. Boom!!!


"Assertion"...........not businesses, The Villages. They can and they do. That's why it's value is over a billion dollars.


Why?? To provide housing at a lower price and still maintain their business model, which includes growth, quality & profits.


Not in the last 30 years and probably not in our life times. No where near that point on the curve. No significant hit in the crystal ball.


Now you're just being silly. The CFO of TV does not determine pricing. He's a good guy doing quite well. Leaving money on the table is not a sin, done it many times.



Of course I'm right. How much of the developer's cost is the county paying this year?? What is the actual dollar amount in the 2019/2020 fiscal year???


Well that was a waste of time.

I kind of wondered what the point of the post was too - other than to tell us about an award earned a lifetime ago.:bigbow:

Did the developer use politicians (Sumter County Commissioners) to get a really sweet deal?

I have seen no reason not to see it the developer's way. So you can say that. After observing carefully all the doings and goings on for more than fourteen years we have lived here, I have to side with the developer.

I have no agenda other than enjoying the heck out of a beautiful place. Don't sell houses or know the Morses. I am so sorry I never had the opportunity to shake Gary Morse's hand. I would not want the stress that the developers must face with all of the decisions made. They certainly earn and deserve the money.

I am glad to live in such a desirable area and be able to do my fun things with such nice people.

I agree with you. I think TV is a beautiful and extremely desirable place to live. I also have friends here and like the amenities.

Also, I don't begrudge the developer for making lots of money.

However you mentioned how you wish the POA would stay out of politics. I asked if the developer used politicians to get a sweet deal?

Not sure that there is any way to answer with facts or truth from this place. There has been no one that has filed a lawsuit or even found out if a lawsuit could be filed or if any lawyer would take it. There have been all kinds of pontifications, accusations, slander and conspiracies thrown around. No one has provided any proof of anything at all, only their opinions and we know what everyone has as well as opinions.

I asked when all the diatribe about this started a long time back for someone who has facts and undeniable proof that a crime has been committed to take it to court. Politicians being bought is a crime. Still nothing has happened.

The cost to society for maintaining it are a shared responsibility. If residents living in the "new section" to the south should pay all of the cost for expansion and maintenance in "their" area it only goes to reason that they should not pay for the maintenance of roads or facilities north of 44 as they were not here to make them decline. I do not mind spreading cost out among all as this keeps cost down for all and facilities evenly distributed and maintained

Sorry eyc234 but you are posting without reading my original post. There was only facts from Sumter County government. We are attempting to raise facts that most people living in The Villages put their heads in the sand and have no clue what the developers are doing. The developers control our local newspapers and radio stations. No one is willing to challenge the developers up until now with a large group of Villagers moving to remove all Sumter County Commissioners who are puppets of the developers. The residents in Sumter County who do not live in The Villages are the major losers for having The Villagers Developers making them pay taxes that cover their cost! Many of the people who posted don’t give a damn about these poor people!

When people slam the ones posting about limited tee time in the Villages it seems that they only play executive courses which are plentiful in the Southern Oaks area. But those of us who play Championship courses find it difficult to get key tee off times. So with 65,000 new home without a new championship course being built in Southern Oaks because the developers who own the Championship courses are not investing in them! They would rather build profitable homes.

Now I am asking questions about if the Villages land company if Federal environmental impact studies have been approved. If they have good for them BUT if they have not then they must stop all construction. Don’t assume they have done this. I have a Freedom of informations request registered today with the FEC! While living in Texas, three residents, including myself, sued Governor Rick Perry and the State of Texas because Perry was attempting to sell state roads Which the taxpayers had already paid for to a Spanish company for developing private toll roads. We won and they lost because they did not do an impact study. Perry backed away from his private toll road direction.

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The entire sweetheart deal, where Da Family gets to pass on to taxpayers the responsibility of building the infrastructure necessitated by its continued development...is nothing but PURE politics.

Not to even mention, that advocating for and protecting TV residents interests...is "politics" by definition.

It's analogous to those who think public figures/entertainers shouldn't be allowed to voice their own opinions, particularly if they conflict with their own favorite public figures/entertainer's views. :ohdear:


Definition (click here)

And how much is that???



How much of the $250mil budget for '19/'20 is "cover their cost"???

I have no problem getting three tee times per week for groups ranging from 4 to 10 players.


As we play, very very rarely do we see a Villages' golf cart on the courses. The "Southern Folks" would have to be on one of these unless they are with a Northerner. Car parking lots at the Clubs are not full at all.


No signs of a massive influx.

Please let us know.

I am betting against it.

I just learned recently that the total property tax on the two homes that I own in TV is going up $4500 per year. My current residence is a larger home on a golf course and the other is a smaller property that my wife's mother lives in. I came here eight years ago from the highest property tax county and richest in the Atlanta area. Rate hikes like this would have been phased in over three to five years. I think there was either poor planning by the board or some arm twisting involved. If you don't l like this you can vote (I think two of them) out in the Fall. I was very upset about the increased amount till I thought about the fact that TV is a very unique place owned by a family that has enough pull to get a bridge built across a State turnpike. It is what it is. The down side is that the additional taxed amount will not be spent in businesses that are here and ones that are planning to come here since the majority here are on fixed incomes for the most part. But the upside is that the State of FL does not have a State income tax like most other States. So, if you can afford to live here at over 72 then there is probably no where else as safe and clean and with as many amenities as you will find here. Just my thoughts.

I would double check those numbers if I were you. I own a large house on a championship course and my taxes went up $534, so it is unlikely that the two properties you described went up $4500. Check your assessment to see if it went up, especially if the large house is new---the assessment for the previous year might have been for undeveloped land

Misguided statement! Since the developers took a major price increase on Championship Courses on Jan 1, 2020 many groups are playing golf outside the Villages.

What you have to consider is the future 65,000 homes (estimated 100,000 in population growth) in Southern Oaks being built what is the further impact on available tee times with only one championship golf course being discussed but not built yet will have!

Actually you REALLY need to recheck those numbers. The county tax millage rate went from 5.3365 to 6.700 (a 23.8% increase). This is a difference of 1.3635, so a $4,500 increase in your tax implies that your two properties are assessed at 4500/.0013635=$3,300,300, which seems highly unlikely

If the demand is being met by courses outside The Villages (as you clearly note) then it would seem the developer is doing exactly what they should be doing - not overbuilding and creating excess capacity. Those that are willing to pay the increased rates are enjoying the championship courses within The Villages and those that are not seem to be happily enjoying the courses outside The Villages. I fail to see why that is a big issue???

I don’t understand why people are missing the main point. Everything is working out great at this moment in time BUT add 100,000 new villagers and see what happens to available tee times.

You do make a good point about the developers are raising rates to reduce the number of Championship players. The main reason they did this now is so that they do not need to invest in Championship golf courses down south!

I have learned one thing living here.

WAIT AND SEE.

And how many of that 100,000 are golfers? Why are golf courses being closed all over the country.? Maybe these new residents are not interested in golf......YOU don’t really know....do you?

Correct - a bunch of folks down Fenny way are doing just that.

We are a tad spoiled here. How far away is the nearest Championship Golf course to them? To any of us?

I think this is high season and he who plays 18 holes in our family four days a week has not complained about difficulty getting tee times.

I have read all fifteen pages of this post, no life right. As someone who is looking at home values in the TV I have one relevant comment... Your home values compared to other places in Florida DO NOT reflect a problem they are soaring. I know equity doesn't spend on a fixed income or make up for an assumed promise but apparently the developers financial model works.

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You are arguing against yourself......"Many groups are playing outside" and "100,000 new golfers will impact availability". Since all the "Southern Folks" need to get in their car and drive to a course, they won't play TV's courses according to your logic.

The “southern folks” bought knowing they would need to get in their car and drive to a course.

The “northern folks” bought knowing they could get in their golf cart and drive to several different Championship courses. What they didn’t know was that the Villages was going to double in size while adding little to no new Championship Golf, seriously diluting and increasing the cost of their golfing opportunities.

The thing is, the developer can only pass on the added cost of increased impact fees on any given unit ONCE. Exactly once. Once someone buys that unit, it is no longer the developer's. The new homeowner will, or will not, profit from sale of his/her home once he/she chooses to sell it.

Compare to the developer getting a deal and passing on the savings to the homeowner. That homeowner will benefit just once. And every single year, he will pay the price via taxes. Every year. Not just once. For every single year he owns that home, he will pay for what the developer didn't pay, that one time when the initial impact fee was charged.

In the end, after 10, 20, maybe 30 years, the homeowner will have paid MUCH more in taxes, to make up for the amount they WOULD have paid, if the impact fee to the developer was higher in the first place.

I may have not been clear in my response to the other post......seems like you misunderstood my response. I was responding to the poster's contradicting statement.



I understand and don't disagree with your post.


But when I purchased..............like the song, I was never promised a rose garden.


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When did this site allow political discussions and political promotion . OPs statement " ...... vote the current commissioners out " sounds very political to me !

Why do you want to cut off discussion about a subject as important as this one?

Posts have been deleted for a variety of reasons and left to stay for a variety of reasons. One of the current posters said his real name on purpose.

Some of the following posts were deleted.

I think many of us are confused sometimes because of these rather vague perimeters.

I hope and believe that most people can see through the posts on this thread.

The current residents of Sumter County should not be paying for The Villages sprawl
 

To sum up: There are only two sources of funds for the new county roads necessitated by the Developer's massive sprawl of The Villages: the Developer, through increasing his present sweetheart impact fee, or the residents, through higher property taxes. The Developer's County Commissioners have chosen the latter.

A few posters seem to argue that we shouldn't care about this because if the Developer's sweetheart impact fee were increased, he would magically pass on his higher cost to the new-home buyers. But think about it. Businesses cannot simply pass on higher costs to their customers. If they could, no business would ever go bankrupt.

Likewise, if the Developer could increase his house prices to cover say a $10,000/house increase in his impact fee without suffering a decline in sales that would more than offset the higher price, he would have already increased his housing prices by $10,000. In effect, what would happen is that, with a realistic impact fee, the Developer would try to increase prices to the extent the market would permit, but would end up taking a profit hit. That is why he has told his County Commissioners to keep his impact fee low.

But to the extent the cost of a realistic impact fee ends up divided between the Developer and the new-home buyers, that should be fine with the current residents of Sumter County. The cost of the infrastructure necessitated by The Villages massive sprawl would then be borne by both the Developer and the buyers of the new houses—exactly the ones who caused the infrastructure expansion, not by the current residents.

Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz.

No bid contract
 

A 30 year contract with NO bids IS a problem!

And what exactly does that contract state??

Whatever the Developer wanted it to state.

Sum up?

That's my point...................You have no idea what is in the contract, yet you are up in arms about it.


Plus, you have no idea how many county tax dollars are being spent this year for "developer costs", yet you are up in arms about it.


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The original poster gave a pretty good summary of it, which is in accordance with my understanding of the contract. Please re-read the original post.

You seem to always be asking others to do your research for you. You want details about the contract, go to the Sumter County website and start digging. Asking questions, and contributing no facts, allows you to divert attention from the issues raised by the original poster.

The central point is that the Developer's County Commissioners have offloaded what the Orlando Sentinel reported to be $186 million of road costs, caused by the Developer's massive expansion of The Villagers, on to the taxpayers of Sumter County. The Developer's County Commissioners did this instead of increasing the Developer's sweetheart impact fee. The details of the contract that you refer to are secondary. How about sticking to the central point instead of nitpicking?