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Pairadocs 11-28-2022 08:46 PM

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Originally Posted by village dreamer (Post 2161424)
and to lowes, walmart,restaunts and any place they can get away with.

Like many replies, NOT a dog "hater", had many, treated them all very VERY well but.... I don't know if there has just been a huge "shift" in a very subtle area, but the lines have seemed to become more and more blurred (between human and pets, particularly dogs) in the last decade or so. I can't think of a better home than my parents provided for my dog(s)(had several growing up), mindful of their health, need to play, exercise, attention and touch (petting, ear rubbing), but (and this is difficult to adequately portray) never have I met so many people who seem to not even recognize a line between a human and an animal. I (sadly) will use an example of a dear relative. I want to make clear, no, this person absolutely is not in dementia or pre-dementia, but many reading this will think my family and I are just in denial, so be it. This relative just retired and is still actively teaching on a major campus, he retired about two years ago. The dog absolutely must go everywhere with them, everywhere. In our phone conversations and emails, she tell me " we want to go to ___ but ___ (the dog !) was just maddening, he pouted, he whined, he made us feel so guilty we just stayed home !" So if you are reading this, at this point you are saying, "she's demented of course". But it gets worse, since she is still teaching some classes, her husband is now in charge of the "play dates" for ___ (dog), driving him to and from the play dates with his friends. They are not in need of finances, but said they did "reschedule" a planned canal cruise in '23, until '24 because ___ (dog) dental bills were absolutely astronomical. It has just become a way of talking for here, "I am almost done with my Christmas shopping, such a relief, except for a few more things for ____(dog). He has way too many coats and sweaters now, but, he was shopping with me at ___ just to get his dog food and he kept going to this one "toy" and a sweatshirt that he just loved, and when I said, no, no treats today, he just got so stubborn I had to pick him up, NO easy task as you know, and literally carry him out."
This goes on all the time, taking about having to get his present to take to his friend's (other dog) birthday party ! These people don't even go out to dinner with friends and leave the dog home ! Amazing, they will eat at their local country club (not in Florida) on the patio because they don't want to deal with the dog's anger, upset, pouting, or punishing if they leave him. People in their social and professional circles would never dream they had such a "mental" problem (a dog who rules their life... they THINK !) And yes, they have three, grown, well adjusted, very successful children so they once KNEW the difference. The money they spend because (dog) must fly in coach or they can't go anywhere.... is it something in the water, they are not the only people like this. When we went from companion dogs for the disabled, to "emotional" support dogs, something happened in this world ! ? Saw one eating at a table from same dishes human customers eat at in a village restaurant... never went back... I know the dishes are sterilized, I know in my rational mind, but it's just too much to sit and have animals sitting like humans consuming from the same table. Oh will I get hate for that... oh well, won't change that I DO love animals and always have, but I know they differ from humans, that's all.

manaboutown 11-28-2022 08:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Pairadocs (Post 2161539)
Like many replies, NOT a dog "hater", had many, treated them all very VERY well but.... I don't know if there has just been a huge "shift" in a very subtle area, but the lines have seemed to become more and more blurred (between human and pets, particularly dogs) in the last decade or so. I can't think of a better home than my parents provided for my dog(s)(had several growing up), mindful of their health, need to play, exercise, attention and touch (petting, ear rubbing), but (and this is difficult to adequately portray) never have I met so many people who seem to not even recognize a line between a human and an animal. I (sadly) will use an example of a dear relative. I want to make clear, no, this person absolutely is not in dementia or pre-dementia, but many reading this will think my family and I are just in denial, so be it. This relative just retired and is still actively teaching on a major campus, he retired about two years ago. The dog absolutely must go everywhere with them, everywhere. In our phone conversations and emails, she tell me " we want to go to ___ but ___ (the dog !) was just maddening, he pouted, he whined, he made us feel so guilty we just stayed home !" So if you are reading this, at this point you are saying, "she's demented of course". But it gets worse, since she is still teaching some classes, her husband is now in charge of the "play dates" for ___ (dog), driving him to and from the play dates with his friends. They are not in need of finances, but said they did "reschedule" a planned canal cruise in '23, until '24 because ___ (dog) dental bills were absolutely astronomical. It has just become a way of talking for here, "I am almost done with my Christmas shopping, such a relief, except for a few more things for ____(dog). He has way too many coats and sweaters now, but, he was shopping with me at ___ just to get his dog food and he kept going to this one "toy" and a sweatshirt that he just loved, and when I said, no, no treats today, he just got so stubborn I had to pick him up, NO easy task as you know, and literally carry him out."
This goes on all the time, taking about having to get his present to take to his friend's (other dog) birthday party ! These people don't even go out to dinner with friends and leave the dog home ! Amazing, they will eat at their local country club (not in Florida) on the patio because they don't want to deal with the dog's anger, upset, pouting, or punishing if they leave him. People in their social and professional circles would never dream they had such a "mental" problem (a dog who rules their life... they THINK !) And yes, they have three, grown, well adjusted, very successful children so they once KNEW the difference. The money they spend because (dog) must fly in coach or they can't go anywhere.... is it something in the water, they are not the only people like this. When we went from companion dogs for the disabled, to "emotional" support dogs, something happened in this world ! ? Saw one eating at a table from same dishes human customers eat at in a village restaurant... never went back... I know the dishes are sterilized, I know in my rational mind, but it's just too much to sit and have animals sitting like humans consuming from the same table. Oh will I get hate for that... oh well, won't change that I DO love animals and always have, but I know they differ from humans, that's all.

Yes! Many people anthropomorphize their dogs and cats, treating them like children. Very sad, even sick. Let's hope it does not extend to their goldfish next.

I have experienced dogs as pets since I was born. They are dogs, wonderful, delightful and lovable but they are not humans.

Pairadocs 11-28-2022 08:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Stu from NYC (Post 2161430)
Some people think dogs are their children and most always be with them

That IS the case with relatives I wrote about on this thread. The are lovely, educated, people who are not "slipping" mentally so to speak, but kids are raised, doing very well, and the dog now rules (actually rules !) their lives because they are able to cast HUMAN emotions onto the dog, and rationalize (I suppose) what they can and can't do, again projecting it on the dog.

Pairadocs 11-28-2022 09:09 PM

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Originally Posted by manaboutown (Post 2161540)
Yes! Many people anthropomorphize their dogs and cats, treating them like children. Very sad, even sick. Let's hope it does not extend to their goldfish next.

I have experienced dogs as pets since I was born. They are dogs, wonderful, delightful and lovable but they are not humans.

So true, so true, double thumbs up.... Have relatives in which this condition (anthropomorphic, projecting) is getting worse month by month. Like you, had many, wonderful, loving, pets, treated them well, fed them well, took care of their basic health... but constant new clothes, throwing "fits" in stores when they don't get a new coat, buying them boots (rain and snow), new clothes for their Christmas picture ON Santa's lap, obsessing over find the perfect birthday gift for the dog's best friends.... it's like they are actually living IN "The secret life of Pets" movie. What ever makes people happy I guess... these relatives don't play golf, so underneath it all, I am sure they marvel that we could spend so much time and money trying to hit a little ball all over many acres and into a tiny hole. LOL !

LAFwUs 11-28-2022 10:58 PM

I was in Home depot one day and a rather large discussion was taking place on the corner of a main isle. Customers & Employees.

It seems that down at the end of the Isle was a teenage girl who had brought her "support kangaroo" into the store.
I peeked and yep, there it was, bounding around on a yellow leash...

So, dogs or no dogs, at least we don't have "service/support" Kangaroos, Zebras, Camels, Aligators or Yeti's arriving in the squares....well not yet anyway!
:0000000000luvmyhors

Bonanza 11-29-2022 02:10 AM

Our Reasoning is Not typical
 
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Originally Posted by Sportsguy1 (Post 2161537)
That is the difference between you and me then….I do care about your opinion and why you do it. I’m not trying to be argumentative here….I’m truly interested in why people bring their dog or dogs to events where there are a lot of people. If your only reason is because ‘it’s my choice and I choose to do it’ then so be it but it seems like there are other reasons people do and I’m interested in knowing why. Educate me on this. I have a dog and I would never take him to an event like Saturday night at brownwood and truly want to know the reasoning why people do. Carry on.

Perhaps I can give you a reason . . . We have a dog . . . a very large dog. If we had taken her to Brownwood that night with that amount of people, truthfully, we would have left. I don't think it would have been fair to anyone, dog included, to be in such a mob scene with a dog. I think it is selfish to bring a dog to a wall-to-wall people event and regardless of what a person's reasoning is, it is wrong.

However, we will take her to Lowe's or Home Depot because they do permit dogs. We will go to a square at night to listen to the music. We will sit in the back or somewhere where she doesn't interfere with the crowd, but if it is somewhat crowded, we move further out. Our main reason for taking our dog to people places is for exposure to different places, sounds/noises, people, etc. In other words it is to socialize her and give her exposure so she doesn't get spooked (we hope) to different places and things.

Unfortunately, I do not think our reasoning is the same as others; I can't account for what others do and very often I am tempted to say something, but don't.

mikempp 11-29-2022 04:35 AM

It simply is none of your business!
 
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Originally Posted by Sportsguy1 (Post 2161423)
Saturday I was at the Brownwood Paddock Square with some family and friends for the Christmas tree lighting. The place was absolutely packed. Thousands of people were in the square. The bleacher seating area was full, the chairs were full, the dance floor was full, the blocked off area for vendors around the square was packed with people. So serious question….why do you insist on bringing your very large dog to this ‘packed with people’ event? Now before you accuse me of not liking dogs, I love dogs! I have a dog but would never take him to a crowed event like I was at Saturday and would love to know why you feel you have to bring your dog or dogs to this type of event. If it is a service dog that is one thing but I saw dogs there the size of goat or a small horse and they were not service dogs. I really don’t think dogs care one bit about the ‘lighting of a big Christmas tree’! I have discussed this with a number of people and for the life of us we can’t come up with why people do this. So please enlighten me….why do you bring your dog to a jam packed people event?

Why do you bring your wife or kids? If the dogs are permitted it simply is none or your business. Why so many old folk have to be so bossy?

BrianL99 11-29-2022 05:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Velvet (Post 2161522)
Dogs’ body language is easy to read if you are an interested observer. Loud sounds do hurt dog’s ears without question.

I just did an experiment with my cat; played Handel’s Messiah to him. When the instruments and singers hit a really high note, the cat lowered its ears. When the instruments played mid-range, the cat’s face relaxed. The cat showed me which pieces he liked to listen to.

Would you mind having your CAT peruse this week's scheduled entertainment at Sumter Landing Square, so I know which bands my DOG will like?

BrianL99 11-29-2022 05:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Pairadocs (Post 2161539)
Like many replies, NOT a dog "hater", had many, treated them all very VERY well but.... I don't know if there has just been a huge "shift" in a very subtle area, but the lines have seemed to become more and more blurred (between human and pets, particularly dogs) in the last decade or so. I can't think of a better home than my parents provided for my dog(s)(had several growing up), mindful of their health, need to play, exercise, attention and touch (petting, ear rubbing), but (and this is difficult to adequately portray) never have I met so many people who seem to not even recognize a line between a human and an animal. I (sadly) will use an example of a dear relative. I want to make clear, no, this person absolutely is not in dementia or pre-dementia, but many reading this will think my family and I are just in denial, so be it. This relative just retired and is still actively teaching on a major campus, he retired about two years ago. The dog absolutely must go everywhere with them, everywhere. In our phone conversations and emails, she tell me " we want to go to ___ but ___ (the dog !) was just maddening, he pouted, he whined, he made us feel so guilty we just stayed home !" So if you are reading this, at this point you are saying, "she's demented of course". But it gets worse, since she is still teaching some classes, her husband is now in charge of the "play dates" for ___ (dog), driving him to and from the play dates with his friends. They are not in need of finances, but said they did "reschedule" a planned canal cruise in '23, until '24 because ___ (dog) dental bills were absolutely astronomical. It has just become a way of talking for here, "I am almost done with my Christmas shopping, such a relief, except for a few more things for ____(dog). He has way too many coats and sweaters now, but, he was shopping with me at ___ just to get his dog food and he kept going to this one "toy" and a sweatshirt that he just loved, and when I said, no, no treats today, he just got so stubborn I had to pick him up, NO easy task as you know, and literally carry him out."
This goes on all the time, taking about having to get his present to take to his friend's (other dog) birthday party ! These people don't even go out to dinner with friends and leave the dog home ! Amazing, they will eat at their local country club (not in Florida) on the patio because they don't want to deal with the dog's anger, upset, pouting, or punishing if they leave him. People in their social and professional circles would never dream they had such a "mental" problem (a dog who rules their life... they THINK !) And yes, they have three, grown, well adjusted, very successful children so they once KNEW the difference. The money they spend because (dog) must fly in coach or they can't go anywhere.... is it something in the water, they are not the only people like this. When we went from companion dogs for the disabled, to "emotional" support dogs, something happened in this world ! ? Saw one eating at a table from same dishes human customers eat at in a village restaurant... never went back... I know the dishes are sterilized, I know in my rational mind, but it's just too much to sit and have animals sitting like humans consuming from the same table. Oh will I get hate for that... oh well, won't change that I DO love animals and always have, but I know they differ from humans, that's all.

Your "dear relative" seems to have way more psychological issues than most dogs. If they're so "dear", perhaps you should arrange for them to get some professional help?

Blackbird45 11-29-2022 06:03 AM

Who owns who
 
I love dogs they're good companions and they're loyal, but people do not own dogs. Dogs own people. My neighbor could not leave their dog home when they went out because when they got home there would be a surprise.

banjobob 11-29-2022 06:19 AM

I agree with this post , pets should not be included in crowded situations , big dogs I agree could be seen but some unthinking pet owners bring small dogs on a leash to crowded venues which in my opinion is begging for your beloved pet to be injured. Most of all leave your dogs at home ! Nobody enjoys your dog.

Worldseries27 11-29-2022 06:58 AM

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Originally Posted by mikempp (Post 2161561)
why do you bring your wife or kids? If the dogs are permitted it simply is none or your business. Why so many old folk have to be so bossy?

never saw a class of people dragging their animals everywhere other humans are congregating. How bout a local farmer brings his herd to brownwood. This cry for narcissisic attention is beyond the pale. I think the next time any of these needy individuals are having say, open heart surgery, the whole medical team should bring their pets to watch daddy and mommy work with the room full of horses, pigs, chickens and cows
if its a dental treatment leave the chickens home bring the rest.
This did not happen in our society till the 90's.
There has to be a showdown in congress. These are people infringing on our rights to the pursuit of happiness. Some constitutional lawyer should get crackin on it. Science officer spock speaking at the academy stated " the needs of the many outweigh those of the few. The villages should build them their own village and stores
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Travelhunter123 11-29-2022 07:03 AM

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Originally Posted by JSR22 (Post 2161426)
Lowes allows dogs. A number of restaurants allow dogs on the outdoor patios. Dogs are allowed at the squares.

Does not answer the responders question

Travelhunter123 11-29-2022 07:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Stu from NYC (Post 2161430)
Some people think dogs are their children and most always be with them

Children grow up, so do some parents

RiderOnTheStorm 11-29-2022 07:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Sportsguy1 (Post 2161423)
Saturday I was at the Brownwood Paddock Square with some family and friends for the Christmas tree lighting. The place was absolutely packed. Thousands of people were in the square. The bleacher seating area was full, the chairs were full, the dance floor was full, the blocked off area for vendors around the square was packed with people. So serious question….why do you insist on bringing your very large dog to this ‘packed with people’ event? Now before you accuse me of not liking dogs, I love dogs! I have a dog but would never take him to a crowed event like I was at Saturday and would love to know why you feel you have to bring your dog or dogs to this type of event. If it is a service dog that is one thing but I saw dogs there the size of goat or a small horse and they were not service dogs. I really don’t think dogs care one bit about the ‘lighting of a big Christmas tree’! I have discussed this with a number of people and for the life of us we can’t come up with why people do this. So please enlighten me….why do you bring your dog to a jam packed people event?

Because dog make better companions than most people.

Travelhunter123 11-29-2022 07:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Papa_lecki (Post 2161462)
This is a good point. I believe, one of the benefits of The Villages, is getting out of the house, being active. Active could mean golfing, playing pickleball or walking around the square.
If taking Fido to the lighting ceremony gets Mrs Habberdashery (fictitious name) out of the house, then that’s good.

Is it good for the rest of the people on the square?

Travelhunter123 11-29-2022 07:10 AM

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Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby (Post 2161485)
Because they're selfish, and don't care that their dog is probably only behaving itself because it's overwhelmed and unable to do anything else.

They don't care that the loud music coming from multiple speakers from the square's nightly entertainment is likely painful to their VERY SENSITIVE ears. They don't care that the only thing their dog sees when he's being walked through the crowd are legs and feet and it's likely one of the last things it actually wants to be doing. They will insist that their dog loves the attention, loves being out with mommy and daddy, loves the crowd, loves the music.

No - they don't. Your dog doesn't love it. Your dog loves you, and to the detriment of its own health, will obey you willingly and with a wag on his tail. You are damaging your dog's hearing. This is cruel, not love.

I love dogs and I would never EVER subject a dog to large crowds with loud music, unless it was my service dog. And even then I'd probably do it minimally, out of respect to the dog.

I say this about large dogs and small dogs. Pets don't belong in large crowds with live music. Add to this for the small dogs - they endure all of the above, but they also run a greater risk of being stepped on, dragged around, and "hounded" by well-meaning people who don't know any better and insist on "oooooh looka how cuuuuuute!" grabbing and petting.

There's one lady who -literally- drags her dog around - this pooch is probably 15 years old, can barely see, is lame with one REALLY bad leg and three somewhat bad legs. And gets - I kid you not - dragged. She walks faster than the dog can walk, and it can't keep up with her and falls and she just tugs it over the concrete square. That's the worst of them.

Wry well said

Travelhunter123 11-29-2022 07:13 AM

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Originally Posted by JSR22 (Post 2161490)
I have had dogs for 6byears and owned a dog business for a number of years. Your opinion and I disagree. I take my small dog and carry him. The loud e music does not bother him!ensitiv I feel badly for the older dog, but it is the owner's choice not yours! ArMYOB

I think dogs do have sensitive ears, perhaps your dogs hearing is damaged from being subjected to loud music and crowds

Pmota 11-29-2022 07:13 AM

Yes and no.
 
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Originally Posted by Sportsguy1 (Post 2161436)
Because a service dog has a vest on that says ‘service dog’ and none of these had on a vest.

Yes, most service dogs will have a vest or some type of ID to show they are working dogs.
No. Some animals don’t go through the service animal program but act/service the same way.
Here is the thing, not all Special needs are visible and not everyone can afford to put their dog through such training.
We know someone that got a Jack Russel pup for their son (anyone with such dog knows how full of energy they are); long story short - our friends wife started getting some issues and that dog got on her side 24/7, he would let her know when an attack was about to happen. This dog had not special training and if you look at my friends wife you see nothing wrong with her.
“Large dog” or small dog, if someone has one with them who are we to judge on why they have it? If the animal is well behaved, the owner has total control and feels like having them there, great.

BoatRatKat 11-29-2022 07:14 AM

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Originally Posted by tophcfa (Post 2161432)
Because a dog never gets angry with you or tells you what you can’t do.

And they never judge you for your choices or lecture or admonish you when they don't agree with your actions. We could all learn a lot from dogs.

Byte1 11-29-2022 07:17 AM

WHY? WHY? The simple answer is that some people are stupid and inconsiderate, either to their pets or to other folks around them. It's called, being selfish. I too love dogs, or actually just about any animal but keep it out of my yard and leave it at home when you go where there are a multitude of people. Need it as a service dog? Maybe you should see a professional or stay home where YOU are safe. No such thing as a "service dog" when I was growing up and folks still made it to a ripe old age.

bonrich 11-29-2022 07:19 AM

Its because the owner is supposed to take his/her dog for the nightly walk, but the owner wants to go to the square. Problem solved, take the dog, both owner and pet will have a wonderful time.

Travelhunter123 11-29-2022 07:25 AM

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Originally Posted by BrianL99 (Post 2161492)
Were you a dog in a previous life?

How else would you know so much about how dogs feel and what they like? Are all breeds the same? Do all breeds like (& dislike) the same sort of music? Do they all hate 50's & 60's rock? Do some of them like Rap music or Techno?

How do you explain this? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CSWsGB2emes

You don’t need to have an awakening from a previous life, my friend. A little education goes a long way. This should answer all your above questiond

National Geographic Kids Everything Dogs: All the Canine Facts, Photos, and Fun You Can readGet Your Paws On! https://a.co/d/6HTJmP0

Travelhunter123 11-29-2022 07:27 AM

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Originally Posted by JSR22 (Post 2161530)
My choice. I do not care about your opinion.

Another vote for Americas friendliest hometown

Larchap49 11-29-2022 07:36 AM

No dogs at public events or place
 
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Originally Posted by BrianL99 (Post 2161455)
Gee, this is a novel post & discussion. I don't think it's been brought up on this page, in at least a week or two.

& people bring their dogs, for the same reason people bring their grandchildren ... gets them out of the house, they get some exercise, they're not at home, playing video games and like my Mom always said when she was throwing me out of the house ... "the fresh air will do you good" !

Then walk them around the block, take them to the dog park, take them on a nature trail. Your beloved dog will enjoy that alot more than being stuck on a leash surrounded by strangers. Did you ever consider the stress this causes an animal? Be real it's all about you not at all about the poor over stressed dog.

Hendrick22 11-29-2022 07:43 AM

An honest question deserves an honest answer - because they spent A LOT of money for these dogs and:
1-want to show them off
2-maybe get business for the breeder
3-conversation starters

Miekies 11-29-2022 07:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Sportsguy1 (Post 2161436)
Because a service dog has a vest on that says ‘service dog’ and none of these had on a vest.

Not legally required

Chamo 11-29-2022 07:49 AM

Service dogs do not need a vest to be a service dog. The owner would have an ID in their pocket so don’t assume they are not service dogs.

Miekies 11-29-2022 07:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Sportsguy1 (Post 2161537)
That is the difference between you and me then….I do care about your opinion and why you do it. I’m not trying to be argumentative here….I’m truly interested in why people bring their dog or dogs to events where there are a lot of people. If your only reason is because ‘it’s my choice and I choose to do it’ then so be it but it seems like there are other reasons people do and I’m interested in knowing why. Educate me on this. I have a dog and I would never take him to an event like Saturday night at brownwood and truly want to know the reasoning why people do. Carry on.

Maybe you should have asked those people with the dogs at the time. Since you are not satisfied with random people who may or may not have a dog, who may or may not bring their dog somewhere.

You created a troll post

defrey12 11-29-2022 07:57 AM

THIS IS THE NOT QUESTION! The question is WHY do YOU bring them to 1) a place it DOES NOT WANT TO BE and 2) a place where others are NOT appreciative of YOUR animals! Why on earth these places allow animals is another discussion…a dog in a stroller? The World has gone bat*^%# crazy!

Larchap49 11-29-2022 07:58 AM

What??
 
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Originally Posted by mikempp (Post 2161561)
Why do you bring your wife or kids? If the dogs are permitted it simply is none or your business. Why so many old folk have to be so bossy?

If you are seriously comparing your wife and kids with your dogs you sir need professional help and I don't mean a support dog.

Sandy and Ed 11-29-2022 08:06 AM

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Originally Posted by JSR22 (Post 2161426)
Lowes allows dogs. A number of restaurants allow dogs on the outdoor patios. Dogs are allowed at the squares.

Yes. I wonder why some folks make such a fuss over those establishments and venues that allow pets on the premises. Almost like talking politics and religion sometimes. .

ThirdOfFive 11-29-2022 08:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Miekies (Post 2161625)
Maybe you should have asked those people with the dogs at the time. Since you are not satisfied with random people who may or may not have a dog, who may or may not bring their dog somewhere.

You created a troll post

Troll post? Dunno about that. It is a timely topic especially with the larg(er) crowds at the squares and other places now that the snowbirds are flooding in.

I have no problems with the people and their dogs that I've encountered thus far in TV. The dogs have all been well-mannered and obedient to their owners when I've encountered them in public places. But there is a dynamic here that so far has been ignored, and deserves discussion. TV may be "America's friendliest hometown" but it can also be an awfully lonely place, especially if you've just lost your spouse or have suffered other significant emotional setbacks. All of a sudden the person or situation you've depended on for social and emotional support is no longer there. All you have is your dog. Never (yet) having been in that situation myself this is only conjecture, but in my opinion it is entirely possible, if you're going out of your house shopping, to the squares or whatever, you take Fido along rather than being completely alone surrounded by crowds of strangers. Fido will love you and stay by your side no matter what.

It is hard to be old and alone.

Lindaws 11-29-2022 08:11 AM

No brains

NoMo50 11-29-2022 08:11 AM

You can lock your wife and your dog in the trunk of your car, and come back 4 hours later. Only the dog will be glad to see you!

Sandy and Ed 11-29-2022 08:15 AM

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Originally Posted by defrey12 (Post 2161626)
THIS IS THE NOT QUESTION! The question is WHY do YOU bring them to 1) a place it DOES NOT WANT TO BE and 2) a place where others are NOT appreciative of YOUR animals! Why on earth these places allow animals is another discussion…a dog in a stroller? The World has gone bat*^%# crazy!

Many residents live in houses without a fenced yard so outings with a pooch is necessary (besides the daily walk around the block). It also helps to better socialize the pet to come in contact with other folks. Finally with so many activities not many would like to leave the dog cooped up in the house all day. NOW, having said all this I agree with the OP that bring a dog to the square for this kind of event makes zero sense. Bad for the dog. Also extremely loud amped music can’t be enjoyable for the dog - maybe walking around the square - but probably not in the square. Just my opinion.

jparsoneau@aol.com 11-29-2022 08:18 AM

Here we go about the dogs again. First of dogs are allowed at the squares. And no I would not take my dog to a large crowd or a large event and no I do not take my dog everywhere with me, but I do take my dog out with me sometimes. And all of who do not like dogs and like to complain about dogs. why did you move here to The Villages that is pet friendly?
And not every pet owner is a good pet owner. We all know that. But there are people who like the wine hear about pets, no matter what they are good or bad or welcome or not. My suggestion is you should move out of the villages if you’re not pet friendly, or maybe go start your own village. But to move into a place that is pet friendly and bitch about pets is stupid. But I can only imagine that’s not the only thing you guys complain about.

mikeycereal 11-29-2022 08:18 AM

I too wonder if all the excitement is too much for the dog. The large b&w border collie I saw at Brownwood that night was just chilling lying down by the owners. Didn't look overwhelmed or if it was it somehow knew how to behave.

So I'll use an example of a friend and how she is with her dogs. Loves them to pieces and so do I since I love and enjoy animals. So when I visit them the dogs get positive attention when they aren't lying down chilling around us. I jokingly call them spoiled but they really are having a good doggie life. Friends tell her if they themselves ever came back as a dog they would want her for their owner.

So on taking them out of the house she may take them for a cart ride (making sure they're secure for the ride) and says her dogs love it. Takes them outside but not for long walks as they get plenty of exercise. Takes them to work (she's the owner) and her employees love them. Leaves them with dog sitters when out of state; they only fly if going to their alt homes.

But she would never ever take them to the store, a restaurant, or to one of the squares. Why, because it's a short trip (store) or her time with friends or family. The 2 dogs stay home in their enclosure and don't leave surprises because she makes sure to take them out to pee etc before. So when I watch how she handles her pets I notice that she enjoys time with them at home and enjoys time without them when she goes out to have fun and that's what I see as the right way to handle pets. Not ignoring them but not overdoing, just in the middle somewhere but giving dogs the benefit if they seem to want something like attention or food. Friends and family are welcome to come over and enjoy the dogs there when visiting.

I jokingly call her the dog whisperer because she knows how to connect with them. Was with her at a relative's house and the subject came up about their dog and how to get it to do certain things. She calmly goes over to the dog and connects with it and actually teaches it to roll over and it responds. We were amazed as she had only just met it.

Everyone has their own methods and dogs behaviors are different. Tell you what though I never saw a dog get fussy over not buying them something in a store like a kid... I would think owner is cuckoo. :loco:

Sandy and Ed 11-29-2022 08:20 AM

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Originally Posted by ThirdOfFive (Post 2161634)
Troll post? Dunno about that. It is a timely topic especially with the larg(er) crowds at the squares and other places now that the snowbirds are flooding in.

I have no problems with the people and their dogs that I've encountered thus far in TV. The dogs have all been well-mannered and obedient to their owners when I've encountered them in public places. But there is a dynamic here that so far has been ignored, and deserves discussion. TV may be "America's friendliest hometown" but it can also be an awfully lonely place, especially if you've just lost your spouse or have suffered other significant emotional setbacks. All of a sudden the person or situation you've depended on for social and emotional support is no longer there. All you have is your dog. Never (yet) having been in that situation myself this is only conjecture, but in my opinion it is entirely possible, if you're going out of your house shopping, to the squares or whatever, you take Fido along rather than being completely alone surrounded by crowds of strangers. Fido will love you and stay by your side no matter what.

It is hard to be old and alone.

AMEN. Well said. Grow a little more empathy folks!!! Dogs fill voids in peoples lives. Children, grandchildren, spouses, whomever. Just ignore the pets. Turn away if they offend your eyes. Go back to whatever it is you do and leave the pet owner enjoy their interest

Whitley 11-29-2022 08:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Sportsguy1 (Post 2161528)
Yes, it IS the dogs owners choice but you are missing my point totally. I am asking WHY ….WHY do dog owners bring their dog to an event that thousands of people are going to be jammed into a small roped off area? Give me the reasons you do it…..seriously….WHY do you?

Because they want to. They will meet like minded people there also with a dog. They want to give some stimulation to the dog (I'd imagine staying inside all day with a few brief trips to the yard can be boring). Perhaps they are socially awkward and the dog gives them confidence, having a dog with them leads to meeting new people who come up and ask about the dog.
Lots of reasons I can come up with. Ultimately it is their business, as long as they are not breaking any law or violating a private entities rules for its property. While we are on the topic, are dogs permitted in Publix? I would think not, yet I see store managers petting dogs in grocery carts inside the store.


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