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PugMom 06-19-2024 07:31 AM

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Originally Posted by barbara828 (Post 2342254)
Love cigars - no I don't smoke them. Several close family members do.

doesn't the smell bring back fond memories of Dad & his friends? i find it quite comforting, even pipe tobacco. i have also been known to enjoy the ladies-size Maccanudos (chk spelling) :pepper2:

PugMom 06-19-2024 07:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Pairadocs (Post 2342275)
Not a smoker, never have been, and hate to be "trapped" in an area of smokers; HOWEVER, I suppose the answer to your questions is that smoking in public areas, like shopping squares of towns and cities, is not against the law. Plus we are ALL free to walk away, drive your golf cart to a new location, leave completely, etc. Example, yesterday was enjoying a coffee with a friend on the patio of the local Dunkin' D, when a man sat down to enjoy smoking his pipe. Our ONLY choices were to go inside where smoking is not permitted, or leave completely. He had every right to sit on the patio and smoke. People at the public squares are "requested" NOT to smoke on the inner part of the square where dancers gather, but have every right to smoke outside on public land... or at least that's how I have always understood "smoking" areas all over the USA ? My most terrifying memories of childhood were being on flights with my parents (also non smokers) and thinking I was going to actually DIE from the smoke that always got even worse on the plane as soon as we finished meals. Those "meals" were served on REAL plates with REAL flatware, no plastic "sporks", but at age 8-10 was aware that as soon as we ate our food, the adults would be lighting their cigarettes... LOL. They might still smoke at public shopping squares here and everywhere, but at least not on planes anymore !

Bless You :mademyday:

Signguy 06-19-2024 07:34 AM

Left the Peoples Republic of NJ to live in the Free State of Florida.

There is No Smoking in the Squares.

"so why do we allow such a minority" because you were free to leave or move along to another area, your attitude is the problem, if the majority smoked, should they be allowed to ban you because they found you offensive?

Indydealmaker 06-19-2024 07:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Mleeja (Post 2342265)
I was driving down Enrique Drive last night. The driver in the cart in front of me was smoking a cigar. How dare he fowl the air behind him! I took matters into my own hands and passed his cart. Problem solved and we were all happy!

So, you're one of those with the illegal unregistered vehicles!

golfing eagles 06-19-2024 07:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Indydealmaker (Post 2342403)
So, you're one of those with the illegal unregistered vehicles!

Apparently, he is. It's called violating a law that he disagrees with to evade someone who is exercising his rights under the law. Ironic, isn't it????

PS: to the person you were responding to, they weren't seeding the air with birds. (Foul vs fowl:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:)

Warcats 06-19-2024 07:43 AM

Gripes
 
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Originally Posted by DimondAngels (Post 2342237)
I am sitting in my golf cart tonight park around the Brownwood Square enjoying the music when I am chased out by a cigar smoking neighbor. 98% of the people in the villages don't smoke so why do we allow such a minority of people affect our health and well being???

While we are griping the thing that really gets under my skin is really loud motorcycles. I love when at midnight you can hear one over half the village. Why is this allowed?

Ptmcbriz 06-19-2024 07:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Jboduch (Post 2342357)
Wait until they legalize wacky tabacky.

I’m pretty sure all the states that have it legalized don’t allow it to be smoked in a public place. Only the confines of your home.

kingofbeer 06-19-2024 07:45 AM

I would either spit at them or fart at them. And then say "Sorry, I am trying to kick this habit"

kingofbeer 06-19-2024 07:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Ptmcbriz (Post 2342414)
I’m pretty sure all the states that have it legalized don’t allow it to be smoked in a public place. Only the confines of your home.

The county should pass an ordinance to not allow smoking in certain public squares. But they won't because the commissioners are controlled by the developer.

golfing eagles 06-19-2024 07:53 AM

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Originally Posted by kingofbeer (Post 2342420)
The county should pass an ordinance to not allow smoking in certain public squares. But they won't because the commissioners are controlled by the developer.

I don't get it. Are you implying "the developer" is pro-smoking?????

mraines 06-19-2024 07:56 AM

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Originally Posted by kingofbeer (Post 2342420)
The county should pass an ordinance to not allow smoking in certain public squares. But they won't because the commissioners are controlled by the developer.

I like to eat outdoors at restaurants and I hate having a meal spoiled by the smell of someone smoking. I wish more restaurants would not allow it on the patio.

Dantes 06-19-2024 07:56 AM

They don’t need to worry we will not be a free society soon

golfing eagles 06-19-2024 07:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Dantes (Post 2342430)
They don’t need to worry we will not be a free society soon

We certainly seem to be on the fast track to that destination

Robojo 06-19-2024 08:03 AM

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Originally Posted by DimondAngels (Post 2342237)
I am sitting in my golf cart tonight park around the Brownwood Square enjoying the music when I am chased out by a cigar smoking neighbor. 98% of the people in the villages don't smoke so why do we allow such a minority of people affect our health and well being???

For the same reason we tolerate peoples dogs. We all pay to live here. Go to a smoke free place if thats what you want.

Mleeja 06-19-2024 08:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Indydealmaker (Post 2342403)
So, you're one of those with the illegal unregistered vehicles!

Ha! Ha! Ha! Good point. I should have noted he was only driving 15 mph. Taking his time enjoying his cigar. Probably couldn’t go home until it was finished!

GATORBILL66 06-19-2024 08:15 AM

Smoking should be banned in the entire Villages. If they want to die that bad, them smoke those stinky things in their own home!

Johnsocat 06-19-2024 08:26 AM

[People have right to smoke, but I have a right not to. Smokers should not be allowed to walk around and through crowds or general public and smoke.
Rude and inconsiderate.[/QUOTE]

So where does your right end and smokers rights begin?
You're basically implying they can only smoke in their homes/private places. Their argument can be that you also can stay in your home/private places if you don't like it.
No one gets more 2nd hand smoke than smokers do.
Your title mentions "Tolerate". Our Nation was built on cotton and tobacco and our greatest strength was our diversity and tolerance. Today, there is little tolerance, people want to ban anything they don't like and the difinition of diversity (people from a range of different social and ethnic backgrounds ) has been twisted to include sexuality.
There is no "tolerance" left in our country- and that's simply shameful.

Cuervo 06-19-2024 08:27 AM

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Originally Posted by GATORBILL66 (Post 2342453)
Smoking should be banned in the entire Villages. If they want to die that bad, them smoke those stinky things in their own home!

From a non-smoker
Maybe we should also ban religious symbols, political flags in front of homes and on golf carts and let's not forget those Gnomes. Look most of the people who live here in The Villages this is their last stop, I learn to tolerate many things I don't like with that in mind. But I still don't trust those creepy Gnomes what do think they do when we are all asleep.

OhioBuckeye 06-19-2024 08:28 AM

They’ll tell you, your breaking their rights, guess we have no rights!

Lea N 06-19-2024 08:33 AM

Originally Posted by barbara828 View Post
Love cigars - no I don't smoke them. Several close family members do.

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Originally Posted by PugMom (Post 2342397)
doesn't the smell bring back fond memories of Dad & his friends? i find it quite comforting, even pipe tobacco. i have also been known to enjoy the ladies-size Maccanudos (chk spelling) :pepper2:

Yes, it does. For me it reminds me of my grandfather. I can't say it smells good but it brings back good memories.

Johnsocat 06-19-2024 08:37 AM

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Originally Posted by mraines (Post 2342429)
I like to eat outdoors at restaurants and I hate having a meal spoiled by the smell of someone smoking. I wish more restaurants would not allow it on the patio.

Then you should eat inside where you are guaranteed a non-smoking environment.
It hasn't been that long that smokers could enjoy a smoke while waiting for their meal or having a smoke with their coffee INSIDE restaurants. The compromise was that smokers could smoke in OUTSIDE eating areas.

Joe Mack 06-19-2024 08:47 AM

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Originally Posted by DimondAngels (Post 2342237)
I am sitting in my golf cart tonight park around the Brownwood Square enjoying the music when I am chased out by a cigar smoking neighbor. 98% of the people in the villages don't smoke so why do we allow such a minority of people affect our health and well being???

Do other personal freedoms offend you as well? While I'm not a smoker, as long as it's legal it's their right. You always have the option to move your golf cart, that's your right

shut the front door 06-19-2024 08:50 AM

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Originally Posted by DimondAngels (Post 2342237)
I am sitting in my golf cart tonight park around the Brownwood Square enjoying the music when I am chased out by a cigar smoking neighbor. 98% of the people in the villages don't smoke so why do we allow such a minority of people affect our health and well being???

You chose to sit in a "smoking section" (outside the perimeter of the square). Maybe you should sit in the no smoking area inside the square.

New Englander 06-19-2024 09:08 AM

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Originally Posted by kingofbeer (Post 2342420)
The county should pass an ordinance to not allow smoking in certain public squares. But they won't because the commissioners are controlled by the developer.

What makes you think that?

Joe C. 06-19-2024 09:15 AM

OK OK OK ...... For all those anti smokers, anti BO, anti fart, anti cologne people.
If you had it your way, the logical ending would be for those with bad breath, not to be allowed to breathe.

Give it a break.

paulisue 06-19-2024 09:22 AM

Why are we still tolerating smokers around the squares
 
What a wonderful life you must lead when such a small issue is your problem. I feel sure that many of your friends put up with you despite your obvious lack of kindness and understanding just because they are willing to tolerate you just the way you are and accept your small mindlessness.

ElDiabloJoe 06-19-2024 09:35 AM

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Originally Posted by DimondAngels (Post 2342245)
I am sure that the number is much lower in TV. A much more educated population.

Wow! That's not an elitist statement at all! This coming from someone that can't spell Diamond correctly.

FWIW, I'm an occasional cigar smoker. Maybe every couple weeks or once a month. At the squares, I like to sit in the breezeways between the rear parking lots and the road around the square itself. As to your "educated" statement, I have a master's degree from an esteemed and renowned private 4-year NCAA Div I university (rhymes with Trojans) and lifetime membership in Mensa. Plus, I do not lean left at all. You might want to rethink some of your assumptions.

Kelevision 06-19-2024 09:37 AM

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Originally Posted by oneclickplus (Post 2342310)
Well, I would counter that 0.5% (one half of one percent) of people in the USA consider themselves transgender ... have gender dysphoria. Why do we allow 0.5% of the population to change the culture ... men in women's sports ... drag queen story hour for kids ... demands by men to use women's locker rooms and rest rooms? It's insane / unnatural / perverted.

What's a little cigar smoke among neighbors who aren't trying to pervert the next generation?

I can see you don’t travel and certainly don’t go out anywhere except the villages. Most high end places in big cities don’t have male/female restrooms, they have “restrooms” Most normal people’s brain’s don’t go to the perverted place yours does. Yikes. Ew.

golfing eagles 06-19-2024 09:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Kelevision (Post 2342498)
I can see you don’t travel and certainly don’t go out anywhere except the villages. Most high end places in big cities don’t have male/female restrooms, they have “restrooms”

Just proves his point.

Diverdave 06-19-2024 09:43 AM

I agree that second hand smoke, especially cigar smoke is disgusting. But smokers have rights as well and we need to accommodate them. What if someone objected to the "noise" from the bands. We would tell them to go where it is not so loud.
I would support limiting the smoking areas even further but it would be a hardship for some Villagers to have no place to go. Many folks down here have been smoking for 50 or more years and would find it very hard to quit.

Velvet 06-19-2024 09:57 AM

I think older people tend to be more sensitive to smoke. Older lungs etc. when it comes to body smell, they may not be able to do anything about it, a medical condition etc. when it comes to smoking, that is voluntary. I agree that there should be designated areas for smokers. Definitely, not an easy habit to quit even if they wanted to.

Sandy and Ed 06-19-2024 10:06 AM

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Originally Posted by DimondAngels (Post 2342245)
I am sure that the number is much lower in TV. A much more educated population.

Nah. Just that most of the ones that did smoke probably passed before they age qualified to live here. (BTW, I smoked for 40+ years and live here. Only had to donate a lung lobe for the privilege. I know, TMI).

RobbyHarris 06-19-2024 10:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Mleeja (Post 2342265)
How dare he fowl the air behind him!

. Those poor fowl! Smoke is bad for the birds. We should never foul the fowl! (Sorry, couldn't resist "fouling" up your post!) :highfive:

Kelevision 06-19-2024 10:14 AM

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Originally Posted by DimondAngels (Post 2342237)
I am sitting in my golf cart tonight park around the Brownwood Square enjoying the music when I am chased out by a cigar smoking neighbor. 98% of the people in the villages don't smoke so why do we allow such a minority of people affect our health and well being???

If you lived in CA you’d be fine. They banned smoking on public sidewalks and outdoor spaces years ago.

golfing eagles 06-19-2024 10:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Kelevision (Post 2342518)
If you lived in CA you’d be fine. They banned smoking on public sidewalks and outdoor spaces years ago.


News flash: This is NOT California (thank God)

shut the front door 06-19-2024 10:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Velvet (Post 2342510)
I think older people tend to be more sensitive to smoke. Older lungs etc. when it comes to body smell, they may not be able to do anything about it, a medical condition etc. when it comes to smoking, that is voluntary. I agree that there should be designated areas for smokers. Definitely, not an easy habit to quit even if they wanted to.

There ARE designated smoking areas at EVERY square.

vintageogauge 06-19-2024 10:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Warcats (Post 2342413)
While we are griping the thing that really gets under my skin is really loud motorcycles. I love when at midnight you can hear one over half the village. Why is this allowed?

Because Harley's sound great.

Robbb 06-19-2024 11:35 AM

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Originally Posted by DimondAngels (Post 2342237)
I am sitting in my golf cart tonight park around the Brownwood Square enjoying the music when I am chased out by a cigar smoking neighbor. 98% of the people in the villages don't smoke so why do we allow such a minority of people affect our health and well being???

Love the smell of cigar smoke, brings back childhood memories.

Cuervo 06-19-2024 11:53 AM

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Originally Posted by DimondAngels (Post 2342237)
I am sitting in my golf cart tonight park around the Brownwood Square enjoying the music when I am chased out by a cigar smoking neighbor. 98% of the people in the villages don't smoke so why do we allow such a minority of people affect our health and well being???

From a none-smoker
If you are correct that 98% of the villagers don't smoke, it would seem to me especially since you claim to have been sitting in your golf cart to move to a spot where the smell would not have affected you.
I just bought an EV and if I follow your train of thought I would be posting that I do not like the smell of gas fumes and the people should be banned from driving gas cars.
Life is short especially here in The Villages give us all a break and wear a gas mask the next time you want to listen to music or stay at home and turn on the radio.

Velvet 06-19-2024 01:15 PM

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Originally Posted by shut the front door (Post 2342524)
There ARE designated smoking areas at EVERY square.

Thank you, never looked for one before. Perhaps fans could direct smoke away from the other people? I smoked a long long time ago, I still like the smell of smoke but my lungs don’t.


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