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J1ceasar 06-25-2021 06:26 AM

As if ...
 
As if Any place won't have issues?
. Sinkholes
To much, to little traffic, dues, people, golf courses, shops etc .

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Originally Posted by wisbad1 (Post 1964509)
Cause they got sooo much money. Boo hoo hoo. They took a chance, not us. Don’t like it move to Dell Webb


KRMACK55 06-25-2021 06:27 AM

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Originally Posted by retiredguy123 (Post 1964535)
I think all comments, positive and negative, about the developer are silly. You buy a house and pay the amenity fees. If you don't get your money's worth, then go somewhere else. It's just a contract, like buying a car.

It is much more than that and you know it. Most work a lifetime sell their home in another location, put everything into a new home here. A Home is much more than a car.

G.R.I.T.S. 06-25-2021 06:41 AM

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Originally Posted by bagboy (Post 1964501)
Some are envious. Some are jealous. Some think they can run things better than the developer, but with no investment or risk. Etc.... stay in your honeymoon mode and enjoy the lifestyle.

Agree! I taught my daughter to aspire to all she could be. Why demonize success?

RoadToad 06-25-2021 06:53 AM

Apples / Oranges
 
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Originally Posted by KRMACK55 (Post 1964731)
It is much more than that and you know it. Most work a lifetime sell their home in another location, put everything into a new home here. A Home is much more than a car.

The analogy was not a Car to a Home, rather a Contract to a Contract.

Jayhawk 06-25-2021 06:56 AM

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Originally Posted by dewilson58 (Post 1964665)
Exactly.

And yet there are the constant complainers stating, "Many residents were promised........... ".

Nothing never changes, adapt and enjoy life.

Exactly.

And the great news is for those who didn't read the deed restrictions and don't like them, the resale market is red hot. Never a better time to find their way outta here.

Saluce 06-25-2021 06:56 AM

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Originally Posted by stanley (Post 1964545)
Some people will be miserable no matter where they are

100% True!!

Jayhawk 06-25-2021 06:58 AM

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Originally Posted by KRMACK55 (Post 1964728)
The villages sales staff have been less than ethical and are very aggressive in getting folks to buy here.

If this were true, which it is not, your sale should have no problem going through.

Good luck in your next unhappy place.

Fisherman 06-25-2021 07:05 AM

For me, my husband and I moved here 12 years ago as a working couple. Two years later, he died. We loved it here, built all together in a Village with a strong bond. There was little traffic and easy access to all the amenities. Getting Tee times was a breeze. The CC was a neighborhood bar like Cheers. Life changed overnight. The one and only reason I stay here is because of my life as a single widow. Many of you should think about that, because there are more and more people that retired here married and find themselves alone. I belong to four single clubs. They keep me young, active and provide the socialization that we all need. Otherwise, I would be gone, basically because of all the negative impacts of rapid growth, mostly the Villages have not proportionately built amenities to support the growth. In addition, there are not enough commercial entities to support the growth. The surrounding communities do not provide an adequate employment pool for these businesses. I also read these forums and see all the division, underlying political views, foolish negativity about living here and the nasty sarcastic attitudes by some of these people towards others feelings or views. For now, I choose to stay, the friendships with my single family are stronger than the inconveniences caused by the greed of the developers.

Topspinmo 06-25-2021 07:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Kcwombat (Post 1964495)
I’m new to TV, having moved here in September. I see frequent references to the developer on these forums, and a lot of them are really negative. I’m really curious as to what the cause of the negativity might be. I don’t know much about the politics of The Villages, but would love to hear (read) what you all think. So far I’m still in my honeymoon stage here. Looking forward to your input, and now, off to golf!

You can answer that question yourself after you been here few years. Otherwise it’s just opinions.

Topspinmo 06-25-2021 07:24 AM

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Originally Posted by noslices1 (Post 1964672)
Reminds me of people who leave $hithole countries and move to a place where everyone is happy and then try to change the new place into the place they moved from.

Insert states instead of countries? Then I can agree with it. :)

kimmerlie 06-25-2021 07:38 AM

I am a very happy Villager!
 
I've been here 14 years and have loved every minute of it! The developers have made it our "heaven on earth". Why do you think it keeps growing?

Linnberg 06-25-2021 08:08 AM

Well said!
 
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Originally Posted by npwalters (Post 1964552)
I recognize that some folks dislike the developers just because they are wealthy. That is, of course, stupid.

The current generation of "the developers" - the family - have earned disrespect by ignoring the promises made by the previous generation of their family. The plan to build high density apartments at the previous Hacienda country club site is the most egregious example. There have been many comments on that subject if you are interested.

Many residents were promised by Harold Schwartz that their homes would be centered around a country club and they would live that lifestyle for the rest of their life. Granted this promise was made orally and in person but the current family HAS to know it is true. They have chosen to break this promise and have gone to great lengths to make it happen.

I cannot respect any family (or organization) that will willingly break a promise made purely to make a few extra bucks.


BTW, I am a happy resident of TV. Being content does not mean one must be blind to what is happening around them.

Stated the facts short and sweet. Love the Villages, do not like some of the changes - apartments, low impact fees for builder causing residents to have to pay for their continuing development. Originally roads paid for by developers. Major change is cheaper golf cart paths etc that will deteriorate much faster and again have to be paid by residents.
Still happy with the lifestyle.

DAVES 06-25-2021 08:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Kcwombat (Post 1964495)
I’m new to TV, having moved here in September. I see frequent references to the developer on these forums, and a lot of them are really negative. I’m really curious as to what the cause of the negativity might be. I don’t know much about the politics of The Villages, but would love to hear (read) what you all think. So far I’m still in my honeymoon stage here. Looking forward to your input, and now, off to golf!

I have a friend who says as they get older they do not get better, they get worse.

They are everywhere. People who always have and always will criticize what others have done and are doing rather than doing anything or accomplish anything themselves.

I had nothing to do with it. I met a disabled elderly lady. Some neighbors complained that her wheelchair ramp was not properly painted. It went on for a while. Fines?
Other neighbors got together, threw a barbecue, repaired the ramp and painted it.

You chose which group you wish to belong. We, every place has/have both.

Hank’s mom 06-25-2021 08:32 AM

I love it!!

kendi 06-25-2021 08:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Kcwombat (Post 1964495)
I’m new to TV, having moved here in September. I see frequent references to the developer on these forums, and a lot of them are really negative. I’m really curious as to what the cause of the negativity might be. I don’t know much about the politics of The Villages, but would love to hear (read) what you all think. So far I’m still in my honeymoon stage here. Looking forward to your input, and now, off to golf!

The complainers want the largest audience possible so they turn to social media. Makes it seem like they're in the majority which is often not the case. I for one am very impressed with the developers' amazing talent and commitment for TV to be a viable and active place to live.

Bogie Shooter 06-25-2021 08:55 AM

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Originally Posted by FromNY (Post 1964701)
Almost 19years. People change, place changes. Not the warm friendly community that had soothing landscape and Buffalo. People change places change. Miss the Buffalo. The younger generation of developers are pandering to younger retirement people. They were not privileged to grow up with their grandfather or great-grandfather. They did not know the Buffalo.

I suspect you miss the buffalo.🥱

jmcica@aol.com 06-25-2021 10:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Dilligas (Post 1964677)
We have been here for 10 years and love it because of the vision for a different retirement community. I have never heard any of the developer’s family make any “promises”. In fact they generally don’t announce anything until it is signed sealed and in the works. No good business person would make any “promise”, because they can not control the future. Most of the so called broken promises are just good business decisions. Katie Belles and Hacienda Country Club were closed because of poor management and loss of patron business. The developer generally only owns the property and leases the business. When the property fails, attempts were made to correct, but it continued to fail. Now they are complaining because they don’t want change. Compare TV to Sun City Florida and you will see why we like the developer, hope they continue.

And that is the reason why we are looking forward to our move to TV-forward thinking business people- I don’t want to be in an environment that is stuck in the 80’s, 90’s or even 2000. Love all the new ideas the family has. And if that changes- we will move on.

WindyCityzen 06-25-2021 10:35 AM

What a hoot. You say Socialism? What about libraries, fire and police departments, parks, or your free Covid shot? Republicans love to attack “socialism,” but are total hypocrites in doing so.

bagboy 06-25-2021 10:36 AM

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Originally Posted by jmcica@aol.com (Post 1964900)
And that is the reason why we are looking forward to our move to TV-forward thinking business people- I don’t want to be in an environment that is stuck in the 80’s, 90’s or even 2000. Love all the new ideas the family has. And if that changes- we will move on.

:clap2:

LieutenantEd 06-25-2021 10:59 AM

Within our large circle of Villages friends over the past few years two couples moved away (to other retirement communities in Florida) for what they perceived as “more desirable location”. Both have moved back to The Villages!

manaboutown 06-25-2021 11:28 AM

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Originally Posted by WindyCityzen (Post 1964910)
What a hoot. You say Socialism? What about libraries, fire and police departments, parks, or your free Covid shot? Republicans love to attack “socialism,” but are total hypocrites in doing so.

This is a false statement.

LoriL 06-25-2021 11:44 AM

Decide for yourself after living here awhile
 
I agree that some do not like the fact that the current generation has not respected the wishes of their elders. That does not mean they do not like it here. The Villages is fabulous, but it is getting rather large. During the season, it gets. more and more difficult to get into restaurants, etc. I do not think this has anything to do with jealousy.

dewilson58 06-25-2021 11:55 AM

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Originally Posted by LoriL (Post 1964944)
I agree that some of us do not like the fact that the current generation has not respected the wishes of their elders.

The Villages is fabulous, but it is getting too big.

A FEW elders................most love the excitement and growth of TV.

Too big??...........your opinion. So you want a land development company to stop developing. :ohdear:

paultkdski 06-25-2021 12:17 PM

love it
 
I retired 3 years ago.. but googled the secret to happiness… It boils down to: low expectations. That’s right… be thankful and enjoy.

People that complain about the fees don’t see how litte you get elsewhere… People that complain about growth, dont realize how little it affects them… I’d love the complainers to either volunteer or vote with their moving vans….

tovliteuser 06-25-2021 12:58 PM

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Originally Posted by LieutenantEd (Post 1964923)
Within our large circle of Villages friends over the past few years two couples moved away (to other retirement communities in Florida) for what they perceived as “more desirable location”. Both have moved back to The Villages!

Those two couples figured out what most of us already knew. Hands down, there is no better place to retire in Florida or anywhere else in the US. I knew it the first time I visited as a renter in 2017 and I know it now as an owner. Not perfect, mind you, just the best. I feel the same way about capitalism. It's the very worst form of government - except for all the rest.

Juliebythesea 06-25-2021 01:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Kcwombat (Post 1964495)
I’m new to TV, having moved here in September. I see frequent references to the developer on these forums, and a lot of them are really negative. I’m really curious as to what the cause of the negativity might be. I don’t know much about the politics of The Villages, but would love to hear (read) what you all think. So far I’m still in my honeymoon stage here. Looking forward to your input, and now, off to golf!


I love it here. I don’t care what they may have promised regarding expanding. It’s a business and businesses are designed to make money. I’m delighted with everything Don’t see why people are complaining

carpej 06-25-2021 01:25 PM

We love living here. Most of the people that we know or have run across at the restaurants, golf courses, clubs , etc. seem to feel the same way. If you consider 120000 or more residents, notice how few are complaining. And if you boil it down many of the negatives are somewhat political in nature. In all very few individuals are actually complaining. My only opinion on the Developers is that they seem to give us quality and variety.

DaleDivine 06-25-2021 01:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Juliebythesea (Post 1964974)
I love it here. I don’t care what they may have promised regarding expanding. It’s a business and businesses are designed to make money. I’m delighted with everything Don’t see why people are complaining

I'm with you Julie. I love it here as well. Tons of golf courses (and lots more coming) which was my main reason for moving here. I play a different golf course almost every day. Not like some of the other retirement communities with only one or two courses that you play over and over.
:bigbow::bigbow:

Curtisbwp 06-25-2021 02:05 PM

My wife and I have been here since 2003 and are very happy.
People have a tendency to dislike, sight unseen, people who have money that they do not have. The village residents lean on the management to solve ALL OF THEIR PROBLEMS. THE developer is a house builder and seller, Not a Mayor. Most do not even know what town they live in.

Aloha1 06-25-2021 02:32 PM

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Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby (Post 1964632)
The person who originally developed the Villages is dead, and has been dead for a long time. His son-in-law, who took over, is also dead, and has been dead for several years.

"The Developers" are not the same developers who developed this community. The current batch of developers have a completely different vision for the community than the one you dealt with when you moved in. The current batch of developers didn't even have pubic hairs yet when their father took over the business, so no they haven't been doing this for 20 years.

The original developer was Harold Schwartz. He started TV with Orange Blossom Gardens in the mid 70's. His SON, Gary Morse came on board in 1983 and headed the company until his death in 2014. His son, Mark, Harold's grandson, took over in 2014 as President but had worked for the company before that and heads the company today. Both Harold and Gary were visionaries. Mark is no different. You roll with the times or you get rolled up. Keeping TV a viable place for retirees keeps our home values up. So, yeah, Mark Morse has been involved with TV for more than 20 years.

Aloha1 06-25-2021 02:44 PM

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Originally Posted by KRMACK55 (Post 1964728)
The villages sales staff have been less than ethical and are very aggressive in getting folks to buy here. Your vote is meaningless in the 3 counties. It’s not enough to keep some of us here and I’m hoping my sale goes through. There is a sense of entitlement here and that’s not who I am. To those who were kind to me the last 2 years i am grateful.

I get it and good move. Obviously you are not happy here and you chose the wise choice to move. Good luck with that. But please stop throwing shade as you leave.

Aloha1 06-25-2021 02:49 PM

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Originally Posted by LoriL (Post 1964944)
I agree that some do not like the fact that the current generation has not respected the wishes of their elders. That does not mean they do not like it here. The Villages is fabulous, but it is getting rather large. During the season, it gets. more and more difficult to get into restaurants, etc. I do not think this has anything to do with jealousy.

Restaurants will come if the need is there. Patience, grasshopper.

npwalters 06-25-2021 02:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Dilligas (Post 1964677)
We have been here for 10 years and love it because of the vision for a different retirement community. I have never heard any of the developer’s family make any “promises”. In fact they generally don’t announce anything until it is signed sealed and in the works. No good business person would make any “promise”, because they can not control the future. Most of the so called broken promises are just good business decisions. Katie Belles and Hacienda Country Club were closed because of poor management and loss of patron business. The developer generally only owns the property and leases the business. When the property fails, attempts were made to correct, but it continued to fail. Now they are complaining because they don’t want change. Compare TV to Sun City Florida and you will see why we like the developer, hope they continue.

The fact that YOU didn't hear it does not make it false. Come talk to the long time residents near the Hacienda area. A pledge/promise made by a organization does not become void just because the leadership changed. New leadership just chose to break it.

oldtimes 06-25-2021 03:49 PM

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Originally Posted by npwalters (Post 1965013)
The fact that YOU didn't hear it does not make it false. Come talk to the long time residents near the Hacienda area. A pledge/promise made by a organization does not become void just because the leadership changed. New leadership just chose to break it.

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OrangeBlossomBaby 06-25-2021 04:25 PM

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Originally Posted by dewilson58 (Post 1964951)
A FEW elders................most love the excitement and growth of TV.

Too big??...........your opinion. So you want a land development company to stop developing. :ohdear:

LoriL is talking about the current generation of the family running the Developer corporation not respecting the generation that used to be in charge of it, but are now too busy being dead to reprimand them for going against their wishes.

dewilson58 06-25-2021 04:28 PM

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Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby (Post 1965043)
talking about the current generation of the family running the Developer corporation not respecting the generation that used to be in charge of it,

Speculation by a few Village Whiners.
No facts.

OrangeBlossomBaby 06-25-2021 04:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Juliebythesea (Post 1964974)
I love it here. I don’t care what they may have promised regarding expanding. It’s a business and businesses are designed to make money. I’m delighted with everything Don’t see why people are complaining

So if they tear down the home behind yours, and put up a for-profit inpatient drug rehab center in its place you'll be okay with that. Afterall, it's a business, and businesses are designed to make money.

dewilson58 06-25-2021 04:34 PM

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Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby (Post 1965047)
So if they tear down the home behind yours, and put up a for-profit inpatient drug rehab center in its place you'll be okay with that. Afterall, it's a business, and businesses are designed to make money.

So many issues with this type of argument and is part of the reason there is not wide support for stopping advancements.

Nothing is being torn down in anyone's backyard........it's on the other side of a golf course.

Nothing is going from residential property to commercial property.

:sing:

GrumpyOldMan 06-25-2021 04:48 PM

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Originally Posted by dewilson58 (Post 1965050)
So many issues with this type of argument and is part of the reason there is not wide support for stopping advancements.

Nothing is being torn down in anyone's backyard........it's on the other side of a golf course.

Nothing is going from residential property to commercial property.

:sing:

Please respect the TOTV tradition and do not attempt to answer any posts with facts.

dewilson58 06-25-2021 04:50 PM

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Originally Posted by GrumpyOldMan (Post 1965055)
Please respect the TOTV tradition and do not attempt to answer any posts with facts.

Please accept my apology. :ho:


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