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joseppe 01-17-2022 09:07 AM

You probably would not enjoy living in the Villages. Who wants to live around a bunch of Old people?

Bogie Shooter 01-17-2022 09:08 AM

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Originally Posted by mrf0151 (Post 2050715)
And look at how many here took the bait.

:agree:

judyflorida 01-17-2022 09:08 AM

You don't say WHY you want to live in The Villages or what you would do here? Do you enjoy "hanging out" with your older people- grandparents, parents?
I think neighbors would love to have you around to help with things-- tech issues etc.
My son lived here for a while in his 30's. He found it difficult to meet professional people and to earn a good salary.s

024engine 01-17-2022 09:09 AM

Can't use sports pools at your age. Not sure about other amenities.

Jacob85 01-17-2022 09:10 AM

The 80/20 rule is the law and applies here

Cranford61 01-17-2022 09:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Woodbear (Post 2050611)
Our 26 year old daughter lives with us. On multiple occasions, (we have been here 6 months) people have come up to her and asked "can I help you." when she responds, No, I live here. Every time she gets the "no you can't." We tell her to be as respectful as she can to say "yes I can and yes I do."

That’s a real shame that you have not successfully launched your 26 yo.

Djean1981 01-17-2022 09:17 AM

Until recently, The Villages sold some reasonably priced small cottage homes with standard/modest features. We were blessed to get one right before the prices took off.. Now, they are selling used for about 2x as much.. I read that new nearby apartments were going to cost $2k a month - several hundred more a month than my mortgage. Even homes in nearby Wildwood are super overpriced. I don't know how ordinary workers afford to live nearby. The OP works remote, and may indeed be able to afford to live here - could be making San Francisco-type wages.

Luggage 01-17-2022 09:17 AM

not quite correct
 
80/20 is a rule that allows developers to discriminate against those with children LEGALLY.. almost nothing STOPS someone under 65 or 55 to live here except if they have children ( school systems etc ) ..


55 & Older Housing – what does that mean? The Federal Fair Housing Act prohibits discrimination because of race, color, religion, sex, handicap, familial status or national origin. Many States have their own Fair Housing Act – in Florida Chapter 760 of the Florida Statutes is dedicated to discrimination issues that expand the protection to age and marital status. The term ‘familial status’ generally refers to occupancy by children (person under 18) with parent, guardian or designee of the parent. So why or how are there 55 & older communities? Well, every rule has exceptions, right? The Fair Housing Act is no different. The Housing for Older Persons Act (HOPA) is an exception that allows communities to operate as “55 or over” housing. To qualify for this exemption, the following criteria must be met:

At least 80% of the units must be occupied by at least one resident over the age of 55;
The community must publish and adhere to policies and procedures demonstrating an intent by the housing provider (the association) to provide housing for persons 55 years of age or older; and
The housing provider must engage in appropriate age verification procedures that includes a community census from time to time.
Ok – at least one person 55 or older must reside in at least 80% of the occupied units. What do you do with the other 20%? On April 1, 1999 the United States Department of House and Urban Development (“HUD “) published Federal Regulations implementing the Housing For Older Persons Act of 1995 (“HOPA”). Basically, HUD does not care how a community handles the 20% “cushion” as reflected below:

There continues to be confusion concerning what is often referred to as the 80/20 split. HOPA states that the minimum standard to obtain housing for persons who are 55 years of age or older status is that “at least 80%” of the occupied units be occupied by persons 55 years or older. There is no requirement that the remaining 20% of the occupied units be occupied by persons under the age of 55, nor is there a requirement that those units be used only for persons where at least one member of the household is 55 years of age or older. Communities may decline to permit any persons under the age of 55, may require that 100% of the units have at least one occupant who is 55 years of age or older, may permit up to 20% of the occupied units to be occupied by persons who are younger than 55 years of age, or set whatever requirements they wish, as long as “at least 80%” of the occupied units are occupied by one person 55 years of age or older, and so long as such requirements are not inconsistent with the overall intent to be housing for older persons.

Does that mean a community that desires to sustain is Housing for Older Persons status should let everyone in up to the 20%? No, not really. The “cushion” is designed to allow the housing provider (association) to permit exceptions when appropriate. If a couple resides in a property and one is 55 and the other not, do you, as a community leader or manager, want to be put in a position that requires you to say “you’re in violation” if the resident over 55 passes away? What if the couple gets divorced? What if someone resides with their adult child? In our view, the ‘cushion’ is exactly that – something that protects you or softens the requirements to avoid unpleasant results. Does your community qualify as Housing for Older Persons? Community leaders that aren’t sure should consult with counsel, as penalties for discrimination (even unintentional discrimination) can be harsh.


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Originally Posted by lindaelane (Post 2050621)
The 80/20 rule does not apply here. Yes, Middleton is opening up and younger people can live there. But in most Villages, as I understand it, the rule is that at least one member of the household must be 55 or over and that no one under 18 can remain for more than a month. So, people in their 20s living here (not in Middleton) are living with the parents/relatives. Twenty-somethings do live here, but not at anything like the 20 percent level. I have never encountered a 20 something living here, though again, I know it happens.

I am saying that if having a few people of your age group around you is important to you, that can't be guaranteed. But that may not be important to you.

DID YOU SIGN A STATMENT - WHEN BUYING YOUR HOME THAT YOU ARE 55+ ???? bet you did not.

JanetMM 01-17-2022 09:19 AM

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Originally Posted by youngvillagertobe (Post 2050598)
I am a 24 year old man, single, no kids, work from home and am looking to buy my first house. I would love to live in the Villages and know about the 80/20 rule when it comes to 55+ communities. I am quiet, and old soul, respectful of others and always maintain a clean living space/ yard. What would be the honest reaction to having a young person live next door?

I would have no problem. As long as there is not too many parties or they go too late it’s fine with me. In fact, in addition to my “old time rock n roll” I like a lot of the alternative music that is being played right now. Disturbed, 5 Finger Death Punch, Bad Wolves and others.

PugMom 01-17-2022 09:20 AM

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Originally Posted by judyflorida (Post 2050737)
You don't say WHY you want to live in The Villages or what you would do here? Do you enjoy "hanging out" with your older people- grandparents, parents?
I think neighbors would love to have you around to help with things-- tech issues etc.
My son lived here for a while in his 30's. He found it difficult to meet professional people and to earn a good salary.s

you could open a pc service & be busy alllll day long! :icon_wink:

BigSteph 01-17-2022 09:27 AM

If you are from the area, I could understand that this might be an attractive destination. If you are from another region, I cannot imagine why you would want to come here. Outside of online jobs, there are few really good opportunities unless you want to commute to Orlando or Tampa.

This is a somewhat idyllic place for semi-retired and retired.

If you don't like loud cars, loud stereos, basketball hoops in the road, skateboards grinding curbs, trailers in the yard and driveway, and guys torquing transmissions at midnight, this could be a good place for you. These are things you generally escape when choosing a retirement neighborhood over a mixed-generation neighborhood.

Some people will tell you to leave if you don't like it here, and sometimes I think some people should leave themselves -- go back to mixed-generational housing. I kinda think the general consensus is that this is a senior community. To make it anything else, just makes it a common neighborhood -- you can find nice mixed-generation neighborhoods in every climate near every city in America -- you don't have to come to Marion, Lake, or Sumter counties in BFE Florida to find them.

A good example is the person who posted about getting a 30+ mph Go-Cart and using it on the Multi-modal paths. Sure many people here could afford one. Some could afford a Porsche Go-Cart if they made them. The thing is, this a senior Golf-Cart community (along with walking and biking). Had this been a go-cart community; understanding the speeds, the noise, and the Tokyo-Drifting, we would have picked elsewhere.


If you are a young person who enjoys most aspects of a senior community, then welcome.




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Originally Posted by youngvillagertobe (Post 2050598)
I am a 24 year old man, single, no kids, work from home and am looking to buy my first house. I would love to live in the Villages and know about the 80/20 rule when it comes to 55+ communities. I am quiet, and old soul, respectful of others and always maintain a clean living space/ yard. What would be the honest reaction to having a young person live next door?


Bogie Shooter 01-17-2022 09:27 AM

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Originally Posted by JanetMM (Post 2050749)
I would have no problem. As long as there is not too many parties or they go too late it’s fine with me. In fact, in addition to my “old time rock n roll” I like a lot of the alternative music that is being played right now. Disturbed, 5 Finger Death Punch, Bad Wolves and others.

And if there are what are you going to do??

HogPilot 01-17-2022 09:28 AM

Welcome
 
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Originally Posted by youngvillagertobe (Post 2050598)
I am a 24 year old man, single, no kids, work from home and am looking to buy my first house. I would love to live in the Villages and know about the 80/20 rule when it comes to 55+ communities. I am quiet, and old soul, respectful of others and always maintain a clean living space/ yard. What would be the honest reaction to having a young person live next door?

Please come live here. I’d enjoy a younger perspective views, opinions and muscle if needed. If you decide this is not for you, don’t sell your home, it’s a revenue generator and will only increase in value. The area South of CR 44 might be better suited closer to a younger demographic.

Cliff Fr 01-17-2022 09:29 AM

I would suggest that you buy a home in an area close to the Villages that is not age restricted. That way you can go to the town squares but still live around younger people

davem4616 01-17-2022 09:34 AM

what you are considering makes absolutely no sense to me

JanetMM 01-17-2022 09:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Bogie Shooter (Post 2050760)
And if there are what are you going to do??

I guess I would do what my Mum would have done. Go talk to my neighbor if it really was too loud too often. Why? What would you do ?

Proveone 01-17-2022 09:41 AM

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Originally Posted by youngvillagertobe (Post 2050598)
I am a 24 year old man, single, no kids, work from home and am looking to buy my first house. I would love to live in the Villages and know about the 80/20 rule when it comes to 55+ communities. I am quiet, and old soul, respectful of others and always maintain a clean living space/ yard. What would be the honest reaction to having a young person live next door?

Why would a 24 year old guy want to move into a community with old people?

Latora 01-17-2022 09:48 AM

Under 55
 
As explained by my Realtor…….The Villages is “intended” for 55 and over. She is in her 40’s and lives in The Villages.

Tlbeal 01-17-2022 09:56 AM

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Originally Posted by lindaelane (Post 2050621)
The 80/20 rule does not apply here. Yes, Middleton is opening up and younger people can live there. But in most Villages, as I understand it, the rule is that at least one member of the household must be 55 or over and that no one under 18 can remain for more than a month. So, people in their 20s living here (not in Middleton) are living with the parents/relatives. Twenty-somethings do live here, but not at anything like the 20 percent level. I have never encountered a 20 something living here, though again, I know it happens.

I am saying that if having a few people of your age group around you is important to you, that can't be guaranteed. But that may not be important to you.

Incorrect info, we have three households near us that none of the owners are 55 yo or anyone in the household is 55 yo. We live in St. Catherines.

Michread 01-17-2022 10:07 AM

Come on down!
 
We love young people here! And yes there are more young people here than most know about.

FB group, the villages young adults, last I heard has over 300 members.

Yup, buy in the newest villages for a younger village crowd.

shut the front door 01-17-2022 10:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Cranford61 (Post 2050745)
That’s a real shame that you have not successfully launched your 26 yo.

2nd rudest response on this thread. Fortunately 1st was removed. I hope yours is, as well.

mamamia54 01-17-2022 10:14 AM

There is a house for sale on my block. I’ll start my honey do list today, lol.

DaleDivine 01-17-2022 10:24 AM

Obviously there are a lot of jealous older people on here that don't think you should live in TV. They're afraid they'll lose their wives or girlfriends to a young man. LOL.
There are lots and lots of young people that come to our squares to dance and listen to the music. If you can pay for a house here, The Villages sales agents will not turn you down no matter how old or young you are. Cash talks.

:welcome: to The Villages

:clap2::coolsmiley::bigbow:

Laker14 01-17-2022 10:28 AM

A lot of people can't understand the difference between the question "how will I be received", and "what is your opinion of how I should live my life".
OP never asked the latter, only the former. Why do so many people feel entitled to subject others to their own opinions of how others should live?

shut the front door 01-17-2022 10:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Laker14 (Post 2050796)
A lot of people can't understand the difference between the question "how will I be received", and "what is your opinion of how I should live my life".
OP never asked the latter, only the former. Why do so many people feel entitled to subject others to their own opinions of how others should live?

Hammer, meet nail. :bigbow:

nob77@comcast.net 01-17-2022 10:46 AM

Interesting
 
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Originally Posted by youngvillagertobe (Post 2050598)
I am a 24 year old man, single, no kids, work from home and am looking to buy my first house. I would love to live in the Villages and know about the 80/20 rule when it comes to 55+ communities. I am quiet, and old soul, respectful of others and always maintain a clean living space/ yard. What would be the honest reaction to having a young person live next door?

Good for it! It’s an investment. Nice to have some youth around.

RUOK2? 01-17-2022 10:59 AM

"Occupied -vs- Owned"
 
55 & Older Housing The term ‘familial status’ generally refers to occupancy by children (person under 18) with parent, guardian or designee of the parent.
The Housing for Older Persons Act (HOPA) is an exception that allows communities to operate as “55 or over” housing.
At least 80% of the units must be occupied by at least one resident over the age of 55;

Thanks for quoting a verifiable source.
Apparently 'occupied' is regulated, but 'ownership' is not.
Does that mean that anyone, regardless of age, can buy/own a home in The Villages?
Does the '80/20' count include renters (occupants)?
Does The Villages record the ages of ALL 'occupants?
If not, who knows"
With underage buyers and tenants, is the 80/20 ratio being maintained?
Does it matter?

Curtisbwp 01-17-2022 11:01 AM

If he posses all of the attributes you profess I would have no problem. It is the 40 something deadbeat children that I object to

PamfromNY 01-17-2022 11:02 AM

Younger Villagers moving in
 
I do not think the villages is the place for. You are way too young to be living around all of these elderly people. Checkout areas to the South. Orlando and beyond. Nice suburbs around Orlando or areas near the beach where people your age live.

jimjamuser 01-17-2022 11:15 AM

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Originally Posted by youngvillagertobe (Post 2050598)
I am a 24 year old man, single, no kids, work from home and am looking to buy my first house. I would love to live in the Villages and know about the 80/20 rule when it comes to 55+ communities. I am quiet, and old soul, respectful of others and always maintain a clean living space/ yard. What would be the honest reaction to having a young person live next door?

The "young" thread-starting gentleman may (?) be the most wonderful, polite person in the Americas, for all I or we know. But, the converse is also true - he could be the most DISPICKABLE person in America, for all I or we know. He might (?) be a drug dealer and gang leader looking to start a NEW territory to exploit because of the increased wealth factor of our OLDER community. He could be a "sleeper agent" tied to Russia or China put here to influence cultural acceptance of either of those 2 countries.
.......Yes, it is VERY unlikely that this ONE person is, for example, a drug dealer. I and we can NOT say that he ISN'T. But, "riddle me this" BAT-VILLAGERS........what if statistically 60 to 100 of these "NICE" 25 year-olds moves here. THEN, it is LIKELY that one IS a drug dealer or has some other bad habit. Yes, you might say that, "the samething APPLIES to any group of 55-year-olds. But, no it is NOT the same. For example, a 25 year-old drug dealer or gang member may have been identified as such and put into prison and the FBI would be watching them closely because of their record and why are they keen to be in an OLDER community. By age 55 many criminals may have moderated their behavior and noticed that drug members have a short life-span. Prison may have changed them for the better. To be continued.....

Laker14 01-17-2022 11:24 AM

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Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 2050833)
The "young" thread-starting gentleman may (?) be the most wonderful, polite person in the Americas, for all I or we know. But, the converse is also true - he could be the most DISPICKABLE person in America, for all I or we know. He might (?) be a drug dealer and gang leader looking to start a NEW territory to exploit because of the increased wealth factor of our OLDER community. He could be a "sleeper agent" tied to Russia or China put here to influence cultural acceptance of either of those 2 countries.
.......Yes, it is VERY unlikely that this ONE person is, for example, a drug dealer. I and we can NOT say that he ISN'T. But, "riddle me this" BAT-VILLAGERS........what if statistically 60 to 100 of these "NICE" 25 year-olds moves here. THEN, it is LIKELY that one IS a drug dealer or has some other bad habit. Yes, you might say that, "the samething APPLIES to any group of 55-year-olds. But, no it is NOT the same. For example, a 25 year-old drug dealer or gang member may have been identified as such and put into prison and the FBI would be watching them closely because of their record and why are they keen to be in an OLDER community. By age 55 many criminals may have moderated their behavior and noticed that drug members have a short life-span. Prison may have changed them for the better. To be continued.....

"Don't trust anyone under 35."

JohnnaD 01-17-2022 11:25 AM

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Originally Posted by DBChris (Post 2050678)
Let's talk financials and I'll state the obvious. Where is a 24 y/o going to come up with the money to buy a house here?

That is a very degrading question. There are plenty of 24 yr olds that have great jobs and money saved. Clearly you didn’t raise your kids to be like that but that doesn’t mean others haven’t. I have a 26 year old that just bought her second home on the beach up north. She bought her first home at 24 making over 200k a year. What do you know!

Laker14 01-17-2022 11:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Heytubes (Post 2050717)
Hope you will be on our softball team.

best answer yet!

jimjamuser 01-17-2022 11:47 AM

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Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 2050833)
The "young" thread-starting gentleman may (?) be the most wonderful, polite person in the Americas, for all I or we know. But, the converse is also true - he could be the most DISPICKABLE person in America, for all I or we know. He might (?) be a drug dealer and gang leader looking to start a NEW territory to exploit because of the increased wealth factor of our OLDER community. He could be a "sleeper agent" tied to Russia or China put here to influence cultural acceptance of either of those 2 countries.
.......Yes, it is VERY unlikely that this ONE person is, for example, a drug dealer. I and we can NOT say that he ISN'T. But, "riddle me this" BAT-VILLAGERS........what if statistically 60 to 100 of these "NICE" 25 year-olds moves here. THEN, it is LIKELY that one IS a drug dealer or has some other bad habit. Yes, you might say that, "the samething APPLIES to any group of 55-year-olds. But, no it is NOT the same. For example, a 25 year-old drug dealer or gang member may have been identified as such and put into prison and the FBI would be watching them closely because of their record and why are they keen to be in an OLDER community. By age 55 many criminals may have moderated their behavior and noticed that drug members have a short life-span. Prison may have changed them for the better. To be continued.....

One other tiny example - many drug USERS die an early death - they do not make it to age 55! Another example, driving habits, like speeding and reckless driving. There are several reasons why automobile INSURANCE is LOWER for age 55+ than age 25.......they are MORE reckless and statistics prove that. So, that will come to TV Land or any other plus 55 community. And LOOK at the roads here in TV Land They are narrow and single-laned in many cases, with a relatively LOW SPEED LIMIT ( which is only lightly enforced). So, you will have older couples and groups out walking THEIR neighborhoods streets - probably 2 or even 3 beside each other in the middle of a narrow lane - and along comes a 25-year-old drunk and high on whatever driving 15 MPH or more OVER the speed limit! Then around a corner, they come with their music at max volume and NOT paying attention to the road. And suddenly you or your relative or friend are VERY DEAD! NOW.......NOW "riddle me this" bat-Villager...... was it worth dying from a 25-year-old's reckless driving in exchange for them helping you with your I-phone?

Blackbird45 01-17-2022 12:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Blackbird45 (Post 2050627)
I don't think anyone would mind you living here, but you're really doing yourself a disservice. At this point in your life, you should be enjoying your youth and maybe finding someone you would want to spend the rest of your life with. If I was your age this would be the last place I would want to be.

I'm addressing my own quote.

If you have the money for a home, you most likely can afford an apartment in NYC.

The reason I suggest Manhattan is that the city is not for the very young or the very old. It's like Goldy Locks and the 3 bears your just about the right age and you'll be good until your 40, at which time you should look for a place down here.

You have to absorb all live has to offer, as far as I know we only get one turn at the wheel, and you can spin your wheels at any speed you want in that city and no one there will pass judgement.

Frank Giardino 01-17-2022 12:01 PM

Last week, a young man, late 20's, early 30's approached us when we were leaving Panara's. Exclaimed, what a great place the Villages is, really loved living here. I asked if he was living with his parents, he replied, oh no, my wife is 76 years young. There is an outlet for the 24 yr old, if the 80/20 rule applies

kappy 01-17-2022 12:04 PM

Can A 24 Year Old Live In The Villages?
 
If you really want to know if a 24 year old can buy a house and live in The Villages, why not just call The Villages administrative office and ask them?

tibbetts 01-17-2022 12:36 PM

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Originally Posted by youngvillagertobe (Post 2050598)
I am a 24 year old man, single, no kids, work from home and am looking to buy my first house. I would love to live in the Villages and know about the 80/20 rule when it comes to 55+ communities. I am quiet, and old soul, respectful of others and always maintain a clean living space/ yard. What would be the honest reaction to having a young person live next door?

Easy, just marry a 55 year old woman.

MrFlorida 01-17-2022 12:47 PM

I think you as a young man would get quite bored here in a short time. It would be like hanging out with your parents, and would not have much in common with us. Anyway good luck to you...

ML Smith 01-17-2022 12:57 PM

There is a section for families in the northern area of the villages. Come on down.


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