I'll get the PAC set up. Nicely done Rags.

So simple, so logical.......could this be why we can't get our government representatives to act accordingly? They so like to complicate the simple.

I'm sorry. I just don't see it that way.

How about we enforce the law, and if you violate the law and are illegal then you are gone from that country that day ?

I want the to see the murderers captured, tried and convicted, not just deported. This would hold true with any other serious crime. Otherwise why not commit more crimes until someone puts you on a plane?

And insure that everyone respects the law of the nation and not obscure laws that merge with religion.
Why bring in religion, race or creed? Are judges excusing criminals from certain actions because of their religions, race or creed?* Enforce the law.

Oh, and do not allow anyone of any faith or creed or race establish their own law in an area and stop policing that area to allow it
Again why bring in Religion? Enforce the law.


Being a police officer means you need to work in dangerous neighborhoods and risk your life. So pay officers a higher salary, protect them with better gear, and hire more of them. With these incentives exemplary young men and woman who may not have considered law enforcement might choose that career. Do you remember your friends in high school and college who would have made fine officers but thought the pay was not worth the risk? They had safer options.

In my opinion, it usually comes down to money.

*I need to think about race a little more.

(Guilty of not reading all posts...)
Islamic terrorists are the army of Satan. Allah is his name.
The US has become a collaborator by virtue of doing next to nothing against it and leaning away from Israel. World economies will collapse, lawlessness will abound, and natural disasters will increase.
Although Revelation was written about 1900 years ago, only in the last few years has technology made it possible for the predicted rise of a world leader who will force all mankind to be "chipped" or be unable to participate in commerce, thus the world leader controls global economy.

At last, Satan's armies will march against Israel in the Jezreel Valley (Megiddo or armaqgeddon )intent on genocide of Jews. (Long story why...put shortly, Satan's attempt to possess earth and steal Jerusalem)
When all hope appears lost, Jesus returns as Savior. He will overcome the armies and....

Well, that's enough...The US had better get on God's side.

There was a young man who saved a journalist in Afghanistan. When the journalist asked him why, his answer was resoundingly simple. His mother told him that if joined ISIL he was to never cross her door again. They were not Muslims. She had been educated and had read the Quran. She knew ISIL was nor following the words of Muhammad. Her son told the journalist that if everyone could be taught to read, they would know they are not following the words of Allah and Muhammad.

And that is part of the problem. Muslim children in their enclaves are not being educated, even here. Like the Orthodox Jews, they are being taught in religious schools. These schools are not well regulated. Children grow up knowing their bible as determined by the teachers but knowing nothing about mathematics, the language of their country, honest history, and, most importantly, only what is deemed relevant in the Torah, the Quran, the Bible. This needs to stop now. School districts need to take an active role and make sure the children get a true education, not just being taught what a religious leader deems appropriate.

ESL needs to stop, not just in schools but in businesses and government as well. There is no need to assimilate if the country in which you reside doesn't have enough pride to say, "You're in Xxxx, you will follow our laws, learn our language to the best of your ability. If you don't, feel free to go where your language is spoken, but don't try to change ours to suit you." Too many nations have rolled over on this issue, especially America.

It is time for France to put on some big girl panties and clean up these enclaves. If the police need military backup, so be it. If a community has refused to let the police in, then those are the communities that have their leaders deported, their schools shut down, their churches silenced. Draconian? Yes, but necessary. The same goes here.

To me, Muslims are wonderful people. I have been privileged and honored to know many, both as a child and as an adult. I have been in their homes and they have been in mine. They dare not speak out. Not here, not in the Middle East, not in Europe. We do not need to fear the majority. We need to fear the fanatics and we need to remove their leaders from our soil. Imans who spread hate need to be jailed if inciting violence, deported otherwise. Mosques that welcome terrorists, that are used to recruit for ISIL and its ilk need to be shut down and be razed. Schools that refuse to teach the basics, that do not teach in English, need to be closed.

We are not dealing with people of the modern world. We are battling people of the seventh century. The times were much harsher then. Laws were black and white then. So, we either find a way to bring these people into this century or we battle them with the intent of utter destruction. Not sure how to do the former and I hate the idea of the latter.

The RELIGION of Islam incorporates a NATIONAL law to observe as part of that religion. This is a tenant of much, BUT NOT ALL, of the Muslim faith, and certainly the religion as broadcast by terrorists. Hence, Sharia Law, etc.

PLEASE READ......the NO GO ZONES in France have been ceded to these people, much as we have ceded parts of the USA to groups that just refuse to obey the law and will stone anyone who tries to enforce it. Those who burned down Ferguson Mo represent that feeling. which is that their feelings outweigh the enforcement of the law

"Sharia (Islamic law) deals with many topics addressed by secular law, including crime, politics, and economics, as well as personal matters such as sexual intercourse, hygiene, diet, prayer, everyday etiquette and fasting.

Adherence to Islamic law has served as one of the distinguishing characteristics of the Muslim faith historically, and through the centuries Muslims have devoted much scholarly time and effort on its elaboration.[6] Human interpretations of sharia (fiqh) vary between Islamic sects and respective schools of jurisprudence, yet in its strictest and most historically coherent definition, sharia is considered the infallible law of God.[7]"

[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sharia[/u

I find your post the most thoughtful of the bunch. Not sure though that we could get our leaders to go with a plan like this. Education will help as well as access to critical thinking but the willingness to really promote such notions does not seem to sit really well with our media or politicians. It seems more to be about keeping the status quo and propping up the leaders who just remain in office for decades making sure that they give the appearance of helping those who keep them in political offices. There are exceptional leaders who buck the system and try to promote real change.

There have been attempts to do somewhat of what you say. Quickly check the failure rate in schools just in the state of Florida. You will find that one of the biggest reasons for the rate is language difficulties, yet any proposal to insist on English is met with resistance and WE put everyone on a guilt trip because we are picking on poor immigrants. I am speaking of second and third generation immigrants.

Our law says you must learn english to become a citizen.....how is that working do you think ?

It is obvious we as a country must find a way to move from an almost "do nothing" mode to meaningful action supported by the majority of Americans.

Each day, week and year that goes by we are being moved to an acceptance of no enforcement until it becomes matter of fact and then too late to be able to do anything because like it or not a new norm will be established.

Then as the next generation comes along there is little to be disatisfied with or challenge because the new norm is all they will know. In addition to being outnumbered by those who are intent to dilute our current laws and freedoms.

It becomes confusing for the average American who has been raised to know the will of the people is what our elected officials are charged with. Only to witness day in and day out the will of the people being ignored or trampled upon while promoting another agenda.

Proof?
The XL pipeline. Over 65% of the American people are in support of proceding with this project. Soon both houses will have a bill to be signed to finally pass it. Only to be threatened to be vetoed!

The affordable health care act was not supported by well over 50% of the American people and their representatives. It was passed and signed into law anyway.

These two examples alone typify that which will eventually demoralize we the people from trying to get anything done. It will become increasingly more difficult to inspire the groundswell of dissatisfied Americans needed to not only try to "take America back"....but just maintain what we have left.

Currently the gravity, yes the seriousness and the force both are in the wrong direction!! The do nothing except that which is a part of the "agenda" is in fact facilitating the new norm.

And now for the statement that may intend to bait and invite some...the above is offered as my observation and is not intended as a political position.
Only hoping more of our generation is inspired to action. Because when we are gone, much of the base that still appreciates the true meaning of freedom will not be there to challenge the direction of the new norm.

In any case the subject of the threats to America and the free world NEEDS discussion and action......as a minimum....else the remaining current majority becomes doomed to go along silently!

Well now they have them cornered.

Time for the Duke and Clint to swing in and bring this to an end.

:crap2:

And why do no-go zones exist in free countries?

Appeasement!!!!

ap·pease·ment
əˈpēzmənt/
noun
noun: appeasement; plural noun: appeasements

the action or process of appeasing.
"a policy of appeasement"
synonyms: conciliation, placation, concession, pacification, propitiation, reconciliation;
fence-mending
"a policy of appeasement"

There are quite a few links about this in this thread and I suggest you read them.

However, let me give you an example that you probably watched on television.

FERGUSON MO.....gross violations of law...destruction of a city while we watched.

Sort of a NO GO

No-go area - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I would like to see more links to objective information about no go zones. Nothing with FOX or far right connections.

LOL.....no facts just spin is what you are looking for then :)

Check the European papers....cannot tell you if they are liberal or conservative but as with the ones you do not want to read, they will give you the basic facts on NO GO

An eye opener this is. I can understand not wanting spin of any kind, but to dismiss a sector, the largest sector of the USA, because of affliation is bizarre. You are aware that Fox has the largest audience BY FAR AND AWAY of any in the country.

Not saying they even have anything on this because I dont pay as much attention as you obviously do.

Or MSNBC or far left connections too:jester:

I do try to get news from a number of sources as many seem extremely biased and basically just putting on news that their viewers like to hear and ignoring the rest.

FOX has been better of late but is far from being far and balanced. Same goes with MSNBC. Two sides of the same coin.

As far as current and reliable information goes the majority cannot control facts.

Back to no go zones. I would just like to find articles that show facts about these zones without much spin from news commentators going for ratings. So much news now seems to be entertainment rather than news.

As a teacher in small south Jersey I can tell you that families arrived in our district from Turkey and Portugal not speaking English 30 years ago. The ESL teachers work with these students and did the best they can to bring them up to speed. They met with their parents and the kids translated. The Turkish families applied to one of their organizations to send the HS ESL teacher and her husband to vacation in Turkey. I learned a 3 Turkish phrases to teach electronics when the first kids arrived, "What's happening?", "Please don't do that", and "Is it broken?." I'm sure my pronunciation was terrible at the very best but the kids knew I cared and they made remarkable progress in four years. Kids assimilate quickly.

It worked where I lived. I don't know if it's working now where I lived.

Does this definition work for you?
no-go area
n
1. (Government, Politics & Diplomacy) a district in a town that is barricaded off, usually by a paramilitary organization, within which the police, army, etc, can only enter by force
2. an area that is barred to certain individuals, groups, etc

I do not want to be rude nor do I want to ignore you, but if you google no go zones, you will find lots of articles referring to France, Sweden, etc.

Also, recognize that NO GO ZONES are either racial or religious or ethnic and they are not some strict defined item as you are attempting to make it.

They become because either the government, such as in France or Sweden has ceded them, or just because of the "rule of the day" for want of a better term. Police are stoned, shot at and killed when they enter and attempts to clean these areas up are considered "inhumane" or some other guilt induced term.

As another poster alluded to, years ago in Jersey, there were places the police would just no go......they exist today in the good old USA. And I used Ferguson as a recent and televised example. What would you call Ferguson for about 2 weeks. NO LAW.... NO ENFORCEMENT......imagine that going on forever and that happens in this country and in Europe for the Muslims.

Go to Miami and tell me that there are not unofficial NO GO ZONES

Zone urbaine sensible

This is interesting. It is in French but look at the dates. The problem in France seems to go back to at least 1996. http://legifrance.gouv.fr/affichText...tion=rechTexte

There are 10 requirements to become a citizen of the US.....I offer you the last 5 of those for simple consideration...

"Be a person of good moral character.

Demonstrate an attachment to the principles and ideals of the U.S. Constitution.

Be able to read, write, and speak basic English.

Have a basic understanding of U.S. history and government (civics).

Take an oath of allegiance to the United States.

Learn About Naturalization | USCIS

You are not being rude.

Does the no go area or zone definition work for you?
no-go area
n
1. (Government, Politics & Diplomacy) a district in a town that is barricaded off, usually by a paramilitary organization, within which the police, army, etc, can only enter by force
2. an area that is barred to certain individuals, groups, etc


I have been Google-ing and reading for the past couple of days in between other activities.

I lived in Newark. I went to college at Newark College of Engineering in1972 years after the riots until I transferred. I lived in a predominantly Hispanic neighborhood with 2 Cuban students on second avenue. Tuition was $350 a year and the 3 bedroom apartment was $125 a month. My room mates were armed with shot guns hidden in their closet for protection and I was not. Someone broke into our apartment once when we were at school and it took 3 days for the police to arrive. People were mugged where I lived. I was street smart enough to know where I could ride my bike, when I could go out and where I could or should not go.

So I have had a small taste of what it is like to live in a somewhat dangerous neighborhood. It didn't feel that dangerous at the time.

I also would like to know the history of no go areas in Europe and the one in Dearborn.

There is a Way
 

When I worked in Paris our offices had a system to protect from crazies entering the building. You first entered the rotating door and it stopped you from entering the building until you held up your badge for the receptionist inside and she could see you before you entered. If you were OK she would "buzz" the door and it would turn and allow you to enter. There were also very deep cement barriers to prevent from a car or truck smashing into the building. The resturant next door had been bombed thus serious controls over entrances. I don't understand why more business's that are under threats of attack don't install systems like this to protect the Company. Ours were installed in the '90's when a bunch of anti business crazies were running around. There are ways to protect your people but it takes investments and dedication to protections from "nuts":bowdown:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam_in_France


Cannot find the Union of French Mosques....I imagine it is one of the organizations in this article and the translation is different.

These would be major challenges for many current US citizens.

Just a comment on the language requirement. Back in the 90s we were hiring a new GM for our installation in Hannover Germany. We hired a Dutchman, with many years experience in the USA. Where he and his family promptly, voluntarily enrolled in conversational english classes. Then several more years later he was assigned in England. And we hired him for the assignmnet in Germany. His children were 12 and 15. They were enrolled in the neighborhood German schools. When they inquored about transition of the language. They were told the kids would be put in their respective grades and there would be no allowance for language unfamiliarity. They were privately tutored for German at home. The kids said the first 3 months were absolutely terrible. Then they became more affluent. As they tried the German students helped them a lot. One year later you could not move them from the German school system.

This is I am sure is only one of many similar stories in countries around the world. It does work. No uprising. No hell raising by the parents.

Why is it not allowed in the USA?

Appeasement by a permissive, don't offend anybody, linguine spined administrators throughout the systems. Further perpetrated by local and federal cowards!

One very simple, very correctable example of what is happening in America. America!

[QUOTE=dbussone;991830]This is terrorism. I have a couple of points to make:
We, the citizens of the U.S, who love this country, are part of the problem. We have been beaten over the head so often about cultural sensitivities that political correctness is the order of the day. This needs to stop NOW.
Our Muslim citizens who stand by and don't speak out against acts like this are part of the problem.
Our Muslim citizens who don't turn out the radicals in their midst are a larger problem.

Mohammed Moussaoui, President of the Union of French Mosques, said, " We condemn this hateful, criminal act. While the terrorists are intensifying their acts to exacerbate the confrontation inside our country, both Muslims and Christians have to intensify their actions to make a United front against extremism. "

Any reactions to his comments?

[QUOTE=xNYer;992819]Yes. Thank goodness someone in a leadership position is speaking out. Now, if a lot more would do the same we have taken a step forward.

Good Read
 

A good read are some books by Eric Hoffer who was a Long Shoreman in LA and was discovered to be a terrific practical thinker. :eclipsee_gold_cup:

Never heard of him. This forum expands my horizons.

Eric Hoffer - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Does all this have to do with Sharia law? I don't know much about Sharia Law but I have it filed under negative. Can someone tell me if this is the same kind of thing...or is this word going to shut down this thread. I hope not.
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I guess you are asking everyone but since you quoted me I'll speak for myself.
I didn't avoid the term Sharia Law.

[quote=xNYer;992819]
Very good. Now I am waiting for such a declaration from people of similar stature here.

France sent a very important message to the terrorists today; we don't negotiate, we will kill you. Kudos to the police who killed at least three terrorists today, while saving most of the hostages.


http://www.nytimes.com/2015/01/10/wo...=top-news&_r=0


http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/new-shoot...aris?CID=SM_TW


http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewir...ampaign=buffer

Same sources, same people were condemning the police in Missouri for being so armed. Congress was bombarded to have hearings about all the weapons that the police have.

[quote=graciegirl;992833]CAIR, the largest advocacy group for Muslims in the U.S. Issued the following statement, ""We strongly condemn this brutal and cowardly attack and reiterate our repudiation of any such assault on freedom of speech, even speech that mocks faiths and religious figures. The proper response to such attacks on the freedoms we hold dear is not to vilify any faith, but instead to marginalize extremists of all backgrounds who seek to stifle freedom and to create or widen societal divisions.
"We offer sincere condolences to the families and loved ones of those killed or injured in this attack. We also call for the swift apprehension of the perpetrators, who should be punished to the full extent of the law."

Those situations were very different. Ferguson and the hostage situations in the Paris area.

Good to hear that.

[quote=xNYer;992847]
EXCELLENT. We are heading in the right direction.

[quote=xNYer;992847]NYer.....though I concur with your sentiments about Muslim groups & organizations in the West AND Arab World needing to step up and take a stand on this type of action by the extremist fringe of their religion, I'm not so sure I'd put much stock in, or rely on, too much of what organizations such as CAIR had to say on the matter. They're not exactly what I'd call "honest brokers" in any of this. Good for the French, though, in taking care of business in prompt fashion! Their CT unit, the GIGN, is right up there with the best of them.

I dont see that big of a difference HOWEVER....\

MY point was that the police in France cannot perform so well without the arms required to do so. We, the USA, found it comfy to criticize that in Missouri. They were defending their city from being totally destroyed by law breakers and arsonists with guns

The police, in case you had not noticed, are the front lines of this war, and we better soon wake up to that fact in this country.

It appears the French police did a great job and I applaud them, but how can you forget the hypocrisy in the USA !