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Beechie 01-09-2015 01:00 PM
This is exactly what we were expecting from CAIR. However, if I may indulge those who may want to know a little more about that organization. Please check out a couple of sites for your edification. Sharia Law is certainly on their list of must haves...when the time is right.

CAIR: Islamists Fooling the Establishment :: Middle East Quarterly

https://www.aclu.org/religion-belief...tional-law-ban

dbussone 01-09-2015 01:00 PM
[QUOTE=xNYer;992819]
Quote:
Originally Posted by dbussone (Post 991830)
This is terrorism. I have a couple of points to make:

We, the citizens of the U.S, who love this country, are part of the problem. We have been beaten over the head so often about cultural sensitivities that political correctness is the order of the day. This needs to stop NOW.

Our Muslim citizens who stand by and don't speak out against acts like this are part of the problem.

Our Muslim citizens who don't turn out the radicals in their midst are a larger problem.



Mohammed Moussaoui, President of the Union of French Mosques, said, " We condemn this hateful, criminal act. While the terrorists are intensifying their acts to exacerbate the confrontation inside our country, both Muslims and Christians have to intensify their actions to make a United front against extremism. "



Any reactions to his comments?

By the way xNYer, your post will be confusing to others because you have mixed my original post with yours. Yours starts where you are quoting the president of the Union of French Mosques. I hope this was not intentional on your part. Please be careful in the future.

Rags123 01-09-2015 01:03 PM
Another report on how it has been received...this from Radio Free Europe...

"Media in the Muslim world have published a wide variety of reactions to the deadly attack on the offices of the satirical magazine Charlie Hebdo in Paris.

In Iran, the morning papers offered very diverse coverage of the event. Although overall coverage was low-key compared to Western media, some newspapers covered the attack on their front pages.

It was noticeable that both conservative and reformist outlets criticized Charlie Hebdo for publishing cartoons mocking the Prophet Muhammad and questioned whether such cartoons constituted free speech."

"Although the more independent and reformist-leaning newspapers such as Sharq and Etemad also carried the story on their front page, the space dedicated to the news was much less than that of the daily Iran or of Hamshahri, the official newspaper of Tehran's municipality.

Sharq's headline on the event, which was run at the bottom of its front page, read: Shooting At The Heart Of Europe.

Sharq slammed the French satirical magazine for publishing Muhammad cartoons. "It is not acceptable that the president of France defends the freedom of speech in his speech after the attacks," wrote Sharq.

"Meanwhile, some of the more conservative newspapers tried to put the blame on what they called France's policies in the Middle East. Javan, said to be close to the Islamic Revolutionary Guards Corps (IRGC), said in an editorial titled Cartoon Of Islamophobia In France that "France is among the countries that have had the largest dispatch of terrorists to Syria...and one can guess how dangerous the return of these terrorists could be for Europe."

The conservative daily Resalat said that the attack was a result of support for anti-Islamic media and other groups.

Muslim Press Reacts To Charlie Hebdo Attack


There are comments on both sides in the article and interesting that those we are getting closer to...well, you read and decide. Good read if you are interested in the Muslim world response outside the US

tomwed 01-09-2015 01:09 PM
that's funny i was reading the same thing but hesitated to post

I am trying to find Muslim Leaders in the United States to see what they have to say but I can't find any.

I did find this. The different interpretations of the same event I find interesting. click here It's from Radio Free Europe.

And I found out "There are 2 million Muslim adherents across the country in 2010.[98] Islamic populations are 0.6% of the US population per Fareed Zakaria quoting Pew Research Center, 2010."

Do you think that number has gone up?

Do you think almost all American Muslims would identify themselves as Muslims?

Who are the Muslim leaders in the United States?

Taltarzac725 01-09-2015 01:18 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by tomwed (Post 992888)
that's funny i was reading the same thing but hesitated to post

I am trying to find Muslim Leaders in the United States to see what they have to say but I can't find any.

I did find this. The different interpretations of the same event I find interesting. click here It's from Radio Free Europe.

And I found out "There are 2 million Muslim adherents across the country in 2010.[98] Islamic populations are 0.6% of the US population per Fareed Zakaria quoting Pew Research Center, 2010."

Do you think that number has gone up?

Do you think almost all American Muslims would identify themselves as Muslims?

Who are the Muslim leaders in the United States?
What Fox Won't Show You: Muslim Leaders Are Condemning The Paris Terror Attack | Research | Media Matters for America

This shows what some are saying.

graciegirl 01-09-2015 01:20 PM
The Muslim Extremists who shot the people at Charlie Hebdob are dead
 
AND the one who shot the police office yesterday is dead too. According to CNN they may have known each other. The one who killed the woman police officer had taken hostages at a Kosher Grocery Store. He was killed just shortly after the other two were killed.

Good work Gend'armes. Is that spelled right CFrance? I spelled the Charlie Magazine wrong...

So glad they got those miserable thugs....now for the rest who scare me....... there and here...

Sandtrap328 01-09-2015 01:54 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by graciegirl (Post 992895)

So glad they got those miserable thugs....now for the rest who scare me....... there and here...
Don't be scared of all Muslims. There are only a few extremists among them who want to harm others. You can say the same about the other religions like Christians and Jews.

There are plenty of Muslims that work in The Villages as our physicians and there is an Islam center on Hwy 27 about 30 minutes from The Villages.

Chi-Town 01-09-2015 02:34 PM
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Remember Yellow Peril? Asians were a mortal danger to all of us.

The beat goes on.

graciegirl 01-09-2015 02:49 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sandtrap328 (Post 992909)
Don't be scared of all Muslims. There are only a few extremists among them who want to harm others. You can say the same about the other religions like Christians and Jews.

There are plenty of Muslims that work in The Villages as our physicians and there is an Islam center on Hwy 27 about 30 minutes from The Villages.

Please keep in mind........ that I moved here from Cincinnati, West Chester, and I lived close to a mosque for twenty years. I got a lot of shall I say, peripheral and anecdotal information as a result. I went to the same groceries and plant nurseries and car repair places and garage sales etc. etc. etc..

AND I am afraid.

Chi-town, I prefer to deal with issues of today. Yellow Peril, I had NEVER heard of. Also was not present during the crusades.

I do not like women being sexually modified or forced to be covered when their husbands aren't.....and I like couples going to church together...or at least able to. AND I don't thing dogs kissing you is an ethical matter. I also don't accept all of the tenants of the Catholic church as they are presented today...TODAY mind you. I am talking about TODAY.

redwitch 01-09-2015 02:50 PM
I'm sorry these thugs had to be killed. It just gives them martyrdom and another "hero" to admire. I had so hoped they could have all been captured alive and tried for the murderers they were. Death is what they wanted.

Personally, I was hoping for a bullet to the spine so they could spend the rest of their years in a chair or bed and may those years have been long and arduous.

Rags123 01-09-2015 03:23 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Taltarzac725 (Post 992892)

Now I understand your distate for anything that is not left winged.....after debunking anything right wing you use Media Matters...

"Media Matters for America (MMfA) is a politically progressive[1] media watchdog group that is "dedicated to comprehe
nsively monitoring, analyzing, and correcting conservative misinformation in the U.S. media"

Media Matters for America - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

And they dont sugar coat their allegiance and purpose.

I prefer what I had linked earlier...not Fox and hope you can stand to even think about Radio Free Europe

Muslim Press Reacts To Charlie Hebdo Attack

I am shocked at a link to Media Matters from anyone professing that Fox or anything was not fair....this is about as left wing as you can get....but thats ok.....just stunned at the hypocrisy !

In actuality, your post is definitely of the political nature and does not fit what has been a pretty non p........ discussion of this tragedy

onslowe 01-09-2015 03:26 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sandtrap328 (Post 992909)
Don't be scared of all Muslims. There are only a few extremists among them who want to harm others. You can say the same about the other religions like Christians and Jews.

There are plenty of Muslims that work in The Villages as our physicians and there is an Islam center on Hwy 27 about 30 minutes from The Villages.
We are talking about religion based attacks. Spin doctoring can fashion it as 'political' or only vaguely and aberrant religion, but still it is, when the smoke and mirrors of the love everybody segment clears, a retaliatory and violent religion with 7th century values and behaviors.

Please realize that Media Matters, a link above, is a "progressive political" group - as in left wing - not some sort of herald of truth.) The effort to cite it is intellectually honest and worthy… the group and its founder, David Brock, are not.

Is there not an action akin to public excommunication at least among the moderate Muslims. Cannot these moderates publicly cough up these hate filled co-religionists by even demonstrating against the known hate teaching mosques and schools? And yes, that dirty little word, informing and not decrying those who do? These would go a long way in making a justifiably sceptical world less doubtful of all Muslim intent to live as peaceful people in countries that have their existing cultures and laws in place.

On another point from above, please let's not trivialize our reaction to this horror with the familiar 'red herring' device of "Let's not forget about (the 'Yellow Peril' in the post above.) It is wrong to try to lessen the importance of this event by saying "The beat goes on." It is neither valid, nor relevant and just does not fit because it's not helpful. It's as intellectually dishonest and lazy as Rosie O'Donnell yelling "What about the Crusades?" once on a discussion on "The View." A device, false, ill fitting, and completely not consistent with honest discourse.

Muslim actions will speak far louder than platitudes from Muslim journalists.

Do something about cleaning up your own backyards - here and abroad.

Rags123 01-09-2015 03:31 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by onslowe (Post 992941)
We are talking about religion based attacks. Spin doctoring can fashion it as 'political' or only vaguely and aberrant religion, but still it is, when the smoke and mirrors of the love everybody segment clears, a retaliatory and violent religion with 7th century values and behaviors.

Please realize that Media Matters, a link above, is a "progressive political" group - as in left wing - not some sort of herald of truth.) The effort to cite it is intellectually honest and worthy… the group and its founder, David Brock, are not.

Is there not an action akin to public excommunication aty least among the moderate Muslims. Cannot these moderates publicly cough up these hate filled co-religionists by even demonstrating against the known hate teaching mosques and schools? And yes, that dirty little word, informing and not decrying those who do? These would go a long way in making a justifiably sceptical world less doubtful of all Muslim intent to live as peaceful people in countries that have their existing cultures and laws in place.

On another point from above, please let's not trivialize our reaction to this horror with the familiar 'red herring' device of "Let's not forget about (the 'Yellow Peril' in the post above.) It is wrong to try to lessen the importance of this event by saying "The beat goes on." It is neither valid, nor relevant and just does not fit because it's not helpful. It's as intellectually dishonest and lazy as Rosie O'Donnell yelling "What about the Crusades?" once on a discussion on "The View." A device, false, ill fitting, and completely not consistent with honest discourse.

Muslim actions will speak far louder than platitudes from Muslim journalists.

Do something about cleaning up your own backyards - here and abroad.
These posts, to me, are part of the "make them feel guilty" group of thinking. They want to make you feel guilty for how you feel. They KNOW very well that you are not alluding to what they refer to.....BUT, whatever it is, it fits to use this old way of turning it on you. It is the trademark of any discussion on race or ethnicity...YOU are the bad guy because of how you think and therefore, whether spoken or unspoken, you are a (fill in the blank) These posts offer nothing but trying to add the guilt.

PS....notice how quickly some turn this to right versus left as soon as possible. Next step is your correcting their posts become an attack and reported as such. Familiar game plan

billethkid 01-09-2015 03:54 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Rags123 (Post 992944)
These posts, to me, are part of the "make them feel guilty" group of thinking. They want to make you feel guilty for how you feel. They KNOW very well that you are not alluding to what they refer to.....BUT, whatever it is, it fits to use this old way of turning it on you. It is the trademark of any discussion on race or ethnicity...YOU are the bad guy because of how you think and therefore, whether spoken or unspoken, you are a (fill in the blank) These posts offer nothing but trying to add the guilt.

PS....notice how quickly some turn this to right versus left as soon as possible. Next step is your correcting their posts become an attack and reported as such. Familiar game plan
All too familiar!!

Beechie 01-09-2015 04:23 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sandtrap328 (Post 992909)
Don't be scared of all Muslims. There are only a few extremists among them who want to harm others. You can say the same about the other religions like Christians and Jews.

There are plenty of Muslims that work in The Villages as our physicians and there is an Islam center on Hwy 27 about 30 minutes from The Villages.
Nobody is saying they are afraid of all muslims. We understand the good law abiding muslims are in the high 90 percentile.

I'm not quite following the moral equivalence however between the Radical Islamists and the Radical Christians or Radical Jews. This notion does come up from time to time by the usual suspects. I have to admit I never give it a thought while i'm boarding a plane that we could be hijacked by some religious fanatic other than a Radical Islamist.

We don't need to be reminded as if we were children and unaware that muslims walk and work among us. Every muslim I have ever met and still correspond with to this day have been wonderful people. It's now all about eradicating the Radical Islamists but in order to do this we need to define and understand our enemy and to remove the road blocks that allow for the proliferation of extremism such as PC.

Taltarzac725 01-09-2015 04:46 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by onslowe (Post 992941)
We are talking about religion based attacks. Spin doctoring can fashion it as 'political' or only vaguely and aberrant religion, but still it is, when the smoke and mirrors of the love everybody segment clears, a retaliatory and violent religion with 7th century values and behaviors.

Please realize that Media Matters, a link above, is a "progressive political" group - as in left wing - not some sort of herald of truth.) The effort to cite it is intellectually honest and worthy… the group and its founder, David Brock, are not.

Is there not an action akin to public excommunication at least among the moderate Muslims. Cannot these moderates publicly cough up these hate filled co-religionists by even demonstrating against the known hate teaching mosques and schools? And yes, that dirty little word, informing and not decrying those who do? These would go a long way in making a justifiably sceptical world less doubtful of all Muslim intent to live as peaceful people in countries that have their existing cultures and laws in place.

On another point from above, please let's not trivialize our reaction to this horror with the familiar 'red herring' device of "Let's not forget about (the 'Yellow Peril' in the post above.) It is wrong to try to lessen the importance of this event by saying "The beat goes on." It is neither valid, nor relevant and just does not fit because it's not helpful. It's as intellectually dishonest and lazy as Rosie O'Donnell yelling "What about the Crusades?" once on a discussion on "The View." A device, false, ill fitting, and completely not consistent with honest discourse.

Muslim actions will speak far louder than platitudes from Muslim journalists.

Do something about cleaning up your own backyards - here and abroad.
Thank you for the fair assessment of my intentions. Anyone who reads my posts on a regular basis knows I am a moderate and will vote as my research guides me. That can and has lead me in a variety of directions.

I now can see why the Political Thread can be used for gamesmanship. It happens a lot on TOTV.

There are more modern readings of the Muslim religion but it sure has been weaponized a great deal in the past couple of decades.

tomwed 01-09-2015 04:51 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Rags123 (Post 992873)
I dont see that big of a difference HOWEVER....\

MY point was that the police in France cannot perform so well without the arms required to do so. We, the USA, found it comfy to criticize that in Missouri. They were defending their city from being totally destroyed by law breakers and arsonists with guns

The police, in case you had not noticed, are the front lines of this war, and we better soon wake up to that fact in this country.

It appears the French police did a great job and I applaud them, but how can you forget the hypocrisy in the USA !
The French municipal police do not generally carry firearms.

Rags123 01-09-2015 04:56 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Taltarzac725 (Post 992984)
Thank you for the fair assessment of my intentions. Anyone who reads my posts on a regular basis knows I am a moderate and will vote as my research guides me. That can and has lead me in a variety of directions.

I now can see why the Political Thread can be used for gamesmanship. It happens a lot on TOTV.

There are more modern readings of the Muslim religion but it sure has been weaponized a great deal in the past couple of decades.
While I totally agree with you about "gamesmanship" I am sure we are not working with the same definition.

Seems to me...someone who absolutely says publicly do not give me any right wing news sites or Fox, then cites of all the site available, the most left wing site possible whose ONLY purpose is to refute those sites you openly and with great fervor eliminated from any substance, AND THEN proclaim to be moderate is interesting at best.

It is ok to be whatever.....but the lack of consistency and the refuting of one sides view does not, to me anyway, say moderate.

But again, the most striking thing is to make this a right versus left thing...that is what strikes me as odd. I might add again, that YOU are the one who completely discounted anything from the right.

Rags123 01-09-2015 04:57 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by tomwed (Post 992985)
The French municipal police do not generally carry firearms.
I did not know that....but someone was very heavily armed today in Paris and were referred to as police.

Taltarzac725 01-09-2015 05:10 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Rags123 (Post 992987)
While I totally agree with you about "gamesmanship" I am sure we are not working with the same definition.

Seems to me...someone who absolutely says publicly do not give me any right wing news sites or Fox, then cites of all the site available, the most left wing site possible whose ONLY purpose is to refute those sites you openly and with great fervor eliminated from any substance, AND THEN proclaim to be moderate is interesting at best.

It is ok to be whatever.....but the lack of consistency and the refuting of one sides view does not, to me anyway, say moderate.

But again, the most striking thing is to make this a right versus left thing...that is what strikes me as odd. I might add again, that YOU are the one who completely discounted anything from the right.
I never said I dismiss stuff from the right. Fox is on most of the time in our household. CNN other times. MSNBC very rarely.

You are the one that put a political spin on my motives for looking to get at objective information. Media Matters at least gives you an idea of where they get their information.

Moderator 01-09-2015 05:13 PM
Let's keep the focus on the topic at hand... The Incident in Paris, rather than a debate on the political leanings of various media sources.

If the discussion continues to stray, the thread will be closed.

Rags123 01-09-2015 05:16 PM
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Chi-Town 01-09-2015 05:32 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Rags123 (Post 992940)
Now I understand your distate for anything that is not left winged.....after debunking anything right wing you use Media Matters...

"Media Matters for America (MMfA) is a politically progressive[1] media watchdog group that is "dedicated to comprehe
nsively monitoring, analyzing, and correcting conservative misinformation in the U.S. media"

Media Matters for America - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

And they dont sugar coat their allegiance and purpose.

I prefer what I had linked earlier...not Fox and hope you can stand to even think about Radio Free Europe

Muslim Press Reacts To Charlie Hebdo Attack

I am shocked at a link to Media Matters from anyone professing that Fox or anything was not fair....this is about as left wing as you can get....but thats ok.....just stunned at the hypocrisy !

In actuality, your post is definitely of the political nature and does not fit what has been a pretty non p........ discussion of this tragedy
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dbussone 01-09-2015 06:15 PM
12 killed in Paris by extreme Islamists.
 
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janmcn 01-09-2015 08:28 PM
U.S. Issues Travel Warning After Paris Terror Attacks - NBC News


The US State Department put out a world wide travel alert today for US citizens traveling abroad, as a result of the terrorist attacks in Paris which have now killed 20 people. No specific threats against this country have been uncovered.

kcrazorbackfan 01-09-2015 11:02 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Rags123 (Post 992989)
I did not know that....but someone was very heavily armed today in Paris and were referred to as police.
Anti-Terrorism Police - chalk one up for the good guys in sending 3 extremists to Hell.

Rags123 01-11-2015 12:48 PM
By the way, the conversation on being politically correct needs this to be filed with it...

"A California newspaper recently used the word “illegals,” upsetting some that apparently don’t like the word “illegals” to be used when referring to undocumented immigrants that are living in the United States illegally. In protest, those disagreeing with the California newspaper’s decision to use “illegals” got a hold of some red spray paint and graffitied the newspaper office’s exterior walls, painting, “The border is illegal not the people who cross it.”

As an added bonus, the anti “illegals” vandals also spray painted a smiley face with “fight back” written above, and punctuated the project with splattered paint ball projectiles."


Read more at California Newspaper Targeted: Santa Barbara News-Press Vandalized For Using Word ‘Illegals’

MarkinMd 01-11-2015 01:06 PM
A few years ago every member of our department was required by the police administration to attend training on dealing with undocumented immigrants. The trainer was a person who was telling us we shouldn't use term " illegal alien". The trainer got really upset when one of the officers asked her if we should title bank robbery reports as unauthorized withdrawals ,lol.


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