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Golfingnut 04-01-2014 04:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Xavier (Post 854911)
Golfingnut, we all should love others as much! My fear that some of the Boomers slipped right into the "Me" Generation and some of the pre-Boomers forgot just how hard life can be. The "Love" Generation had the right idea.

Oh, by the way, I'm one of the first Boomers. One of my classmates died 17 years ago at the age of 50. Her death came about because she didn't have Insurance and she couldn't afford to go to a hospital. She was a high school cheerleader who grew up in an upper middle class family. She was intelligent, pretty, and was loved and a friend to all. We all could have found ourselves in a similar situation. Would you feel the same way about ACA if your child needed the help? No one is saying it's perfect, but I haven't heard of any other plans brought to the table that are better. It needs to be tweaked, but instead they'll try, for the 53rd time, to repeal it. It's done - let's make it better.

Xavier

You just made me tear up for the fifth time today, and I thank you for it. The fact that others put lives of their fellow man above all else inspires me to stay the course. Thank you very much for an inspiring post Xavier.

I turned 50 years old 16 years ago. I get it.

Abby10 04-01-2014 04:32 PM

Golfingnut - I will soon be able to give you some first hand experience with all of this. Right now, I pay my employer for full coverage for insurance for my husband and myself. This is not just about the younger generation. There are many of us in the 50+ range who are being forced into either part-time positions or early retirement due to cut backs and lack of jobs - and I am talking about healthcare jobs, where receiving a package to retire is unheard of for most of us. Therefore, many of us are struggling to find affordable healthcare if there is such a thing. Since I hope to leave my place of employment within the next year to move to TV, I will be looking into what my options are for coverage. i will be happy to share with you my findings. If being on ACA really is the most affordable option, I will be surprised, but at least I will know from first hand experience one way or the other.

Golfingnut 04-01-2014 04:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Abby10 (Post 854916)
Golfingnut - I will soon be able to give you some first hand experience with all of this. Right now, I pay my employer for full coverage for insurance for my husband and myself. This is not just about the younger generation. There are many of us in the 50+ range who are being forced into either part-time positions or early retirement due to cut backs and lack of jobs - and I am talking about healthcare jobs, where receiving a package to retire is unheard of for most of us. Therefore, many of us are struggling to find affordable healthcare if there is such a thing. Since I hope to leave my place of employment within the next year to move to TV, I will be looking into what my options are for coverage. i will be happy to share with you my findings. If being on ACA really is the most affordable option, I will be surprised, but at least I will know from first hand experience one way or the other.

I very much hope you have a good transition. I am in the best possible position with wonderful health insurance. I have one child also with spouse insurance coverage. I have a second child that has a pre existing from an incident of cancer 14 years ago, that prior to AHC could not buy any coverage, that now has a peak at life without fear of every wakening hour.

Golfingnut 04-01-2014 05:02 PM

7.1 million Americans have signed up. Wow, how wonderful is that?

Parker 04-01-2014 05:17 PM

No one knows if it is wonderful. No one really knows anything yet. It is hard to be optimistic about a government program that is based on a shell game of unknown facts and statistics shrouded in secrecy and presented in doubletalk.

gomoho 04-01-2014 05:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Golfingnut (Post 854928)
7.1 million Americans have signed up. Wow, how wonderful is that?

Well it could be very wonderful if someone would tell us how many of those supposed 7.1 mil bought on the exchange cause they got dropped by their insurance, signed up for "free" benefits which you and I will pay for, were the young which will bear the burden of all this, and have most important paid their premium.

I'm afraid what you and so many others in support of Obamacare fail to realize is that there isn't anyone that wants to deny health insurance to the young, the old, pre-existing, new born, old born whatever - we just are not comfortable with the way this is being done - the government demanding we do something or else. That is lost in the argument and it's sad 'cause we all want the same thing just have differences in how to accomplish that which gets us nowhere, but the mess we are in now.

Bucco 04-01-2014 05:23 PM

Last word, because as much as I read what others post, some just do not care about any facts.

To those who say there were no alternatives...that is NOT TRUE. There were at least 20 or more and the previous president attempted to open the conversation but was laughed at.

ALL of the proposals and the Presidents opening included all of the principles of the new law. That includes pre existing conditions...that includes allowing children to stay on policies of parents...that includes going after those uninsured.

THUS..what you folks are saying is either out of allegiance to something or somebody because it has absolutely no basis in fact or truth.

To those who subscribe to what a poster said....whomever wins can do what they want (I know they did not use those words, but said ...hey we won...we do what we want).....IF that is the mind set of even a small amount of americans.......if that is what drives you...if you do not care about the lies that are involved in this and continue.....if you do not care about any of this...so be it.

Pat yourself on the back....call yourself humane and those who had other ways to do this but were never asked bad people.....but you are living in a dream world.

MANY...MANY proposals were there......MUCH MUCH discussion on health care costs, pre existing conditions, etc.....

ALL of it shut down....change the rules of votiing..payoff senators for votes and country be damned. That seems to the the thrust.

AND NOW....come one, lets get together and fix it...lets ridicule anyone who does not agree with the methods....a sad commentary on my country that I fought for...very very sad

Xavier 04-01-2014 05:24 PM

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Originally Posted by gomoho (Post 854937)
Well it could be very wonderful if someone would tell us how many of those supposed 7.1 mil bought on the exchange cause they got dropped by their insurance, signed up for "free" benefits which you and I will pay for, were the young which will bear the burden of all this, and have most important paid their premium.

I'm afraid what you and so many others in support of Obamacare fail to realize is that there isn't anyone that wants to deny health insurance to the young, the old, pre-existing, new born, old born whatever - we just are not comfortable with the way this is being done - the government demanding we do something or else. That is lost in the argument and it's sad 'cause we all want the same thing just have differences in how to accomplish that which gets us nowhere, but the mess we are in now.

Cool, could you give me a listing of all of the alternative options. Thanks.

Xavier

Bucco 04-01-2014 05:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Xavier (Post 854942)
Cool, could you give me a listing of all of the alternative options. Thanks.

Xavier

You can begin with this Polit fact link....and recall this is before the President was even a candidate....all laughed out....congress would not allow a discussion

Republicans have proposed many solutions to control health care costs and improve quality, Ron Johnson says | PolitiFact

All of these are presented in a general sense.....just to disprove those of you who say nobody but you cares...

Health care reforms proposed during the Obama administration - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Seriously? The Republicans Have No Health Plan? - Forbes

"George W. Bush found the solution to America's health-care crisis seven years ago. Too bad nobody listened."

Read more: Bushcare - Edward Lazear - POLITICO Magazine

There are many more with more detail but doubt anyone reads this....the myth beats the truth evidently !

Golfingnut 04-01-2014 05:32 PM

Now, it's time to tweak AHC to make it even better. It is time to work toward a health plan for all that is affordable and sustainable. And again, thanks to all that will help make health care for all our brothers and sisters a reality.

Lou

DianeM 04-01-2014 05:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Golfingnut (Post 854889)
There would be a better view of this program if the TOTV members were the beneficiaries of this program as opposed to older retirees that already have medical coverage. We are set, they are in need of help. I see it as our responsibility to help our younger population.

Well guess what ????? Not everyone here is 65. I'm not so don't qualify for Medicare. The insurance I had was cancelled because it didn't fit the new parameters. So now I have nothing because hell will freeze before I apply for Obamacare. They can fine me. If I'm sick I will handle the bill myself or die - whatever comes first.

Bucco 04-01-2014 05:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Golfingnut (Post 854948)
Now, it's time to tweak AHC to make it even better. It is time to work toward a health plan for all that is affordable and sustainable. And again, thanks to all that will help make health care for all our brothers and sisters a reality.

Lou

This should have been done in 2010, openly and honestly but it wasnt. It is a bill founded on fraud and lies.

And some folks are more enthralled with myths rather than truths.

Golfingnut 04-01-2014 05:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Bucco (Post 854954)
This should have been done in 2010, openly and honestly but it wasnt. It is a bill founded on fraud and lies.

And some folks are more enthralled with myths rather than truths.

You may be right, but don't throw out the baby with the bath water. Let's get down to the business of making this flawed program work for all. It has wonderful implications and will prove to be one of the best things done in our lifetime.

Bucco 04-01-2014 05:46 PM

"So what would the ideal alternative to Obamacare look like? It should provide cost-effective care and the quality treatment that Americans deserve. Effective reform should discourage over-insurance that results from the subsidy of so-called Cadillac plans that pay for basic, inexpensive and predictable procedures and have patient co-payments that are too low. Reform should encourage consumers to use America’s scarce health resources efficiently by inducing them to get tests and treatments that are justified instead of those that are selected because they are almost free to the decision-makers. Finally, reform should make health insurance available to the vast majority of Americans, some of whom cannot afford insurance without help.

The Bush 2007 plan achieves these goals"


Read more: Bushcare - Edward Lazear - POLITICO Magazine

Not saying this is a great plan....do not know, but tired of the "bleeding hearts" calling anyone who disagrees with the dishonestly and blatant political nature of this bill...a bill ONLY PASSED with manipulation.....someone who does not care.

To me, that speaks to the character of those making the charge. Fix it ? Why ? How can you "fix it" now ?

Golfingnut 04-01-2014 05:48 PM

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Originally Posted by DianeM (Post 854953)
Well guess what ????? Not everyone here is 65. I'm not so don't qualify for Medicare. The insurance I had was cancelled because it didn't fit the new parameters. So now I have nothing because hell will freeze before I apply for Obamacare. They can fine me. If I'm sick I will handle the bill myself or die - whatever comes first.

Sorry you feel that way. I wish you the best.

Lou


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