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graciegirl 09-26-2024 09:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Shipping up to Boston (Post 2373768)
So true....I mean if ‘accuracy’ is the mission statement, you must rely solely on the journalistic integrity of Fox, NewsMax, Breitbart....or my favorite acronym news outlet...ToTV to satisfy your ‘thirst’!

My favorite Television source these days is News Nation.

I am tired of the three major networks and their opinions.

mntlblok 09-26-2024 09:39 AM

Bik
 
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Originally Posted by CybrSage (Post 2373675)
Google exists and is easy to use. Here are some snippets found in seconds

...scientific publisher Wiley decided to shutter 19 scientific journals after retracting 11,300 sham papers.

When neuropsychologist Bernhard Sabel put his new fake-paper detector to work, he was “shocked” by what it found. After screening some 5000 papers, he estimates up to 34% of neuroscience papers published in 2020 were likely made up or plagiarized; in medicine, the figure was 24%.

Google "Retraction Watch" and Elisabeth Bik for a good start. The fraud is embarrassingly and shockingly real.

Santiagogirl 09-26-2024 09:39 AM

Agree with above concerns. Also, there seems to be a greater trend over the years for use of meta-analyses (combining a bunch of studies in one heap in order to increase number of outcomes measured, which should yield more statistically significant results). It's also one way of publishing a paper without the time, expense, or aggravation of setting up or conducting a study of your own. The authors rarely select every study available on the subject, & are often treating very different study methods as equivalent. A meta-analysis will describe its study selection criteria & state potential sources of error up front & in detail. However, a diligent reader who wishes to determine if the results are credible must essentially duplicate most of the authors' data gathering process & actually read the articles they are citing. This can take hours, & is seldom done by people using the information to make decisions. A poorly designed study can live forever in meta-analyses. Will become even more common with AI.

rpalumberi 09-26-2024 10:01 AM

agree, so concerned about the lack of morality/integrity today
 
mostly for the love of money & power


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Originally Posted by Pugchief (Post 2373508)
The system isn't working if 39,000 papers had to be retracted. I'm assuming they didn't even catch all the fake news. This is a travesty of intellectualism.

The other day, the FBI came out with a report that violent crime was down. Except it didn't include crime stats from several large, dangerous cities that refused to report data. So they just left it out. Everyone who lives in a city knows crime is up, but they insist "the data" shows otherwise.

So why would you believe anything (climate change, crime, inflation, unemployment, drug trials, etc.) if time and again, the "experts" have straight up lied to your face?

Caveat Emptor neighbors.


fdpaq0580 09-26-2024 10:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Pugchief (Post 2373536)
Yes, not as bad as the outright fraud, but what does that tell you about the integrity of the "researchers"?

You can't trust these people.

I don't think you should trust anyone! Doctors, lawyers, politicians, teachers, researchers ... nobody! Not even your pets. They aren't "kissing" you, they are tasting you. 😉 Just saying! 😏

jimjamuser 09-26-2024 10:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Pugchief (Post 2373490)
For those of you who "trust the media", "trust the experts", "trust the science" or "trust the government", or think data is unbiased or even consistently accurate:

Recent evidence indicates the constant pressure to generate data and publish papers may be affecting the quality of research and fueling retractions of research papers.

In the past decade, there have been more than 39,000 retractions, and the annual number of retractions is growing by around 23% each year.

Nearly half the retractions were due to issues related to the authenticity of the data.

Plagiarism was the second most common reason research papers were retracted, accounting for 16% of retractions.

Fake peer review was another reason why research papers were retracted.

Read the rest here

The statement......."The number of retractions is growing by 23% each year" may be misleading. Because the number of submissions MAY be INCREASING each year. And it is likely that they are increasing because as the Article said, " it is a publish or perish environment. Also, I see the idea that there are a lot of retractions as a GOOD, not bad situation. Meaning that the ones that get through the process have a stamp of approval.
......What the US should worry about is Chinese Universities producing MORE quality scientists than US Universities. In the US the "best and brightest" students go into business with a goal of ending up on Wall Street. That happened about 1980. In the 50s, 60s and 70s
the best students went into Science and Engineering.

Dgodin 09-26-2024 10:34 AM

Whom to trust
 
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Originally Posted by Pugchief (Post 2373490)
For those of you who "trust the media", "trust the experts", "trust the science" or "trust the government", or think data is unbiased or even consistently accurate:

Recent evidence indicates the constant pressure to generate data and publish papers may be affecting the quality of research and fueling retractions of research papers.

In the past decade, there have been more than 39,000 retractions, and the annual number of retractions is growing by around 23% each year.

Nearly half the retractions were due to issues related to the authenticity of the data.

Plagiarism was the second most common reason research papers were retracted, accounting for 16% of retractions.

Fake peer review was another reason why research papers were retracted.

Read the rest here

A good dose of skepticism is required but i tend to be very wary of internet experts, whose articles are more likely to be based on false info.

PugMom 09-26-2024 10:34 AM

yet another reason to question everything

LianneMigiano 09-26-2024 11:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Pugchief (Post 2373490)
For those of you who "trust the media", "trust the experts", "trust the science" or "trust the government", or think data is unbiased or even consistently accurate:

Recent evidence indicates the constant pressure to generate data and publish papers may be affecting the quality of research and fueling retractions of research papers.

In the past decade, there have been more than 39,000 retractions, and the annual number of retractions is growing by around 23% each year.

Nearly half the retractions were due to issues related to the authenticity of the data.

Plagiarism was the second most common reason research papers were retracted, accounting for 16% of retractions.

Fake peer review was another reason why research papers were retracted.

Read the rest here

Better than trusting the Internet or some of the television network faux news!

jimjamuser 09-26-2024 11:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Pugchief (Post 2373508)
The system isn't working if 39,000 papers had to be retracted. I'm assuming they didn't even catch all the fake news. This is a travesty of intellectualism.

The other day, the FBI came out with a report that violent crime was down. Except it didn't include crime stats from several large, dangerous cities that refused to report data. So they just left it out. Everyone who lives in a city knows crime is up, but they insist "the data" shows otherwise.

So why would you believe anything (climate change, crime, inflation, unemployment, drug trials, etc.) if time and again, the "experts" have straight up lied to your face?

Caveat Emptor neighbors.

As to the FBI report - let's say that Chicago and Philadelphia refuse to report violent crime. So, they get left OUT of the FBI report every year. That report will still be of value for evaluating the National TREND, which is the main point of the FBI report. The US as an entity is much greater than a FEW cities.
.......The last sentence seems to me to be an OVER-GENERALIZATION where many variable quantities are lumped together And I disagree with the conclusion that a person can't believe ANYTHING because the experts lie. That conclusion is too NEGATIVE for me. The whole FABRIC of society is BASED on trust. We depend on our established institutions to give us economic stability. To lose that TRUST is to stumble into an abyss of social uncertainty. We MUST guard AGAINST that !

LianneMigiano 09-26-2024 11:08 AM

The worst offender is faux news....

fdpaq0580 09-26-2024 11:09 AM

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Originally Posted by PugMom (Post 2373812)
yet another reason to question everything

YES!. Question everything! Make sure you even have the waiter taste your food at every restaurant to make sure it isn't poisoned. (You did say "everything") 🙂

jimjamuser 09-26-2024 11:14 AM

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Originally Posted by spd2918 (Post 2373513)
It looks like the digital availability is making for more scrutiny. It makes me wonder if the older papers were just as bad.

I'd like to know what percentage of fake papers were on climate change.

In my opinion there are very few younger people looking for a permission slip to disbelieve Climate Change. Because young people have the most"skin in the game".

jimjamuser 09-26-2024 11:14 AM

In my opinion there are very few younger people looking for a permission slip to disbelieve Climate Change. Because young people have the most"skin in the game".

jimjamuser 09-26-2024 12:01 PM

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Originally Posted by dtennent (Post 2373699)
Let's put this in perspective.

1) Assume that the number of 39,000 retractions is correct for the past 10 years. For 2022 the reported retractions was 6393.

2) A simple google search shows that 2-3 million articles are being published annually. I will take the number of 2.8 million for 2022 which was on the Science.org website. It is based on Scopus and Web of Science publication databases

Just a moment...

3) That means the number of retracted articles is about 0.23% of all the articles published in 2022.

While the growth in retracted papers is disturbing, the system is still working. Having worked in science all my life, I have come across people who publish false data. When it eventually comes to light, that person's reputation is, at the very least, diminished. If we are going to evaluate science, let's at least use the data correctly. How many other professions are as good?

That is what I was getting at. .23 of a per cent seems better than the 23 % quoted in the original post.

kingofbeer 09-26-2024 12:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Pugchief (Post 2373490)
For those of you who "trust the media", "trust the experts", "trust the science" or "trust the government", or think data is unbiased or even consistently accurate:

Recent evidence indicates the constant pressure to generate data and publish papers may be affecting the quality of research and fueling retractions of research papers.

In the past decade, there have been more than 39,000 retractions, and the annual number of retractions is growing by around 23% each year.

Nearly half the retractions were due to issues related to the authenticity of the data.

Plagiarism was the second most common reason research papers were retracted, accounting for 16% of retractions.

Fake peer review was another reason why research papers were retracted.

Read the rest here

What does this have to do with "The Villages" ?

Pugchief 09-26-2024 01:03 PM

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Originally Posted by CybrSage (Post 2373679)
Nope, this is actually real. Climate "science" is part of the corruption. To be fair, it includes all areas of science.

Hurricane season in FL....

Pugchief 09-26-2024 01:13 PM

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Originally Posted by dougjb (Post 2373589)

I got quite a laugh out of reading the initial posting in this thread. Why? Because it quotes figures from an unknown internet source. Anyone can make up numbers.

The original article has citations (links) for all of its statements.

Pugchief 09-26-2024 01:13 PM

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Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 2373810)
......What the US should worry about is Chinese Universities producing MORE quality scientists than US Universities. In the US the "best and brightest" students go into business with a goal of ending up on Wall Street. That happened about 1980. In the 50s, 60s and 70s
the best students went into Science and Engineering.

Wow. I actually agree.

Did you notice that universities in China do not include any wokeness in their curriculums, and actually focus on real subjects?

Pugchief 09-26-2024 01:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Blueblaze (Post 2373682)
A corrupt world based on lies and fraud is what you get when your "Golden Rule" is "The Ends Justifies The Means".

On the academic front, my son-in-law the Ag professor, was denied tenure a few years ago when he expressed skepticism that the current warming trend is due to a trace gas in the atmosphere. He foolishly imagined that academic freedom was a thing, and discovered that "settled science" says otherwise.

"It rubs the lotion into its skin. It does whatever it is told"

But, but, but someone on TOTV claims being objective instead of following the narrative doesn't get you fired....

Pugchief 09-26-2024 01:14 PM

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Originally Posted by huge-pigeons (Post 2373763)
So if abc/nbc/cnn/msnbc/cbs and any of the other fake news channels say the same thing, then it’s true? All these fake news outlets get together each day to come up with the “theme” or “word” of the day to bash a person. It’s funny, you can watch 10 mins of each of these outlets during the day and see what the common “theme”/“word” is and I know millions of people believe this garbage.

They won't ever admit it, but there can be no other explanation.

Pugchief 09-26-2024 01:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Wondering (Post 2373701)
You are talking in generalizations --be specific! What research is in question, that would affect the population of the US and the world? Otherwise, I can't take your sense of alarm serious.

You're entirely missing the point. Too many people just blindly accept whatever they are told as truth. Everyone needs to do some critical thinking when "facts" don't pass the sniff test. Especially with constant proof that "trusted sources" are lying to you regularly, often for some agenda.

Pugchief 09-26-2024 01:14 PM

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Originally Posted by coconutmama (Post 2373716)
When we were in high school one of our best and most used life courses was Truth in Advertising, along with a civics class. Hopefully it is still being taught but looking at society now, I doubt it. Everyone should attempt to question data & do their own free thinking but without the conspiracy hoopla.

Another FAIL of the current public school system. Civics. The Constitution. Personal finance. Basic reading and math. Where has it gone?

Pugchief 09-26-2024 01:18 PM

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Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 2373822)
As to the FBI report - let's say that Chicago and Philadelphia refuse to report violent crime. So, they get left OUT of the FBI report every year. That report will still be of value for evaluating the National TREND, which is the main point of the FBI report. The US as an entity is much greater than a FEW cities.
.......The last sentence seems to me to be an OVER-GENERALIZATION where many variable quantities are lumped together And I disagree with the conclusion that a person can't believe ANYTHING because the experts lie. That conclusion is too NEGATIVE for me. The whole FABRIC of society is BASED on trust. We depend on our established institutions to give us economic stability. To lose that TRUST is to stumble into an abyss of social uncertainty. We MUST guard AGAINST that !

No, if the conclusion being presented as fact purposely omits multiple critical data, then the entire premise is useless.

Society historically has been based on trust. But now there is enough information available rapidly to make it clear that much of what has been presented is not trustworthy.

Pugchief 09-26-2024 01:20 PM

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Originally Posted by kingofbeer (Post 2373854)
What does this have to do with "The Villages" ?

The same thing as 90% of the threads on TOTV. Nothing.
That's why it is in the "Non Villages Discussion".

AMB444 09-26-2024 01:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Pugchief (Post 2373870)
Another FAIL of the current public school system. Civics. The Constitution. Personal finance. Basic reading and math. Where has it gone?

Also cursive writing. My kids can't read it. Why did they stop teaching it?

We were taught in high school that a proper article written by a journalist was a list of facts. Not opinion. Now you can't watch the news without getting 99% opinion from the news people.

fdpaq0580 09-26-2024 02:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Pugchief (Post 2373872)
No, if the conclusion being presented as fact purposely omits multiple critical data, then the entire premise is useless..

Depends on what the premise is. Ex: If premise is that the sea level is getting higher, one needs only data from multiple locations demonstrate the trend. Measurement of the depth of every square foot of ocean surface is not necessary. One who wants to argue the trend can always claim insufficient data, whether reasonable or not. Ask silly questions as red hearings. Claim data was , omg, "manipulated", when simply rounded up or down to a reasonable decimal point. And, who gets to decide what is critical to demonstrating a premise? The researcher? The ones requesting the research? Or some random guy /gal on totv? Just because, whatever it is, doesn't match one's own preferred narrative does not mean the demonstrated premise is "fake" or intended to mislead in any way.

fdpaq0580 09-26-2024 02:34 PM

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Originally Posted by AMB444 (Post 2373884)
Also cursive writing. My kids can't read it. Why did they stop teaching it?

We were taught in high school that a proper article written by a journalist was a list of facts. Not opinion. Now you can't watch the news without getting 99% opinion from the news people.

One guess is, computers can't read it. Block letters, yes, but not cursive. Vague, lettery shapes strung together to express non-digital thoughts or feelings. When AI robots take over and the terminators come after us, cursive (artistic) writing may be our only weapon to defeat our human created overlords. Make a good story/movie. Remember, your heard it here first.

fdpaq0580 09-26-2024 02:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Pugchief (Post 2373868)
They won't ever admit it, but there can be no other explanation.

I can think of several. I'm just a little bit surprised you can't, too. Or, maybe you can but 🤐
No matter. 🫠

biker1 09-26-2024 03:17 PM

Computers can read cursive via trained neural networks. Perhaps not 100% reliably.

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Originally Posted by fdpaq0580 (Post 2373901)
One guess is, computers can't read it. Block letters, yes, but not cursive. Vague, lettery shapes strung together to express non-digital thoughts or feelings. When AI robots take over and the terminators come after us, cursive (artistic) writing may be our only weapon to defeat our human created overlords. Make a good story/movie. Remember, your heard it here first.�������������� ���������������


AMB444 09-26-2024 03:25 PM

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Originally Posted by fdpaq0580 (Post 2373901)
When AI robots take over and the terminators come after us, cursive (artistic) writing may be our only weapon to defeat our human created overlords. Make a good story/movie. Remember, your heard it here first.�������������� ���������������

:clap2: Lol!

Search for a list of historical documents written in cursive.

NoMoSno 09-26-2024 04:10 PM

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Originally Posted by fdpaq0580 (Post 2373901)
One guess is, computers can't read it. Block letters, yes, but not cursive. Vague, lettery shapes strung together to express non-digital thoughts or feelings. When AI robots take over and the terminators come after us, cursive (artistic) writing may be our only weapon to defeat our human created overlords. Make a good story/movie. Remember, your heard it here first.�������������� ���������������

The PO reads millions of cursive addresses daily using computer scanners.

OrangeBlossomBaby 09-26-2024 05:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Ptmcbriz (Post 2373653)
You use critical thinking skills for reasonableness. Otherwise, you’ll believe in nothing and that destroys a society. No matter what in life there are mistakes. Rarely perfection. You don’t base your beliefs on one person, one article, one of anything. You read a lot on the subject from many sources and usually the similarities between them all give you a reasonable truth.

Not entirely accurate, and can create an agenda-driven narrative that you believe, because "many" sources are telling you the same thing.

The critical thinking part of your comment is THE #1 most important part. That's what helps you figure out what to look for in the first place.

Example

Non-critical-thinking person wants to know if the rumor he heard about vaccines is true. He runs a search for "vaccine hoax"

And of course he will end up with pages of search results that insist vaccines are a hoax. That's because - that is what he asked for.

Critical-thinking person wants to get more information about the same thing. He runs a search for "vaccines medicine science"

and finds a plethora of returns on a vast array of sub-topics about vaccines, some of which will say it's a hoax, some of which will say it's legit. He'll completely discount any result that doesn't come from an actual medical source, and check at LEAST the summaries of the first dozen that are left. If there's a term he doesn't understand or hasn't ever heard before, he'll run a search on that term and learn what he can about it.

He'll then read thoroughly some more actual medical sourced results, and check THEIR bibliographies and footnotes. He'll dive deep into the medical rabbit hole to find as many facts as he can about it

And THEN he'll conclude that no, the rumor is false, or yes, the rumor is true.

Windguy 09-26-2024 06:57 PM

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Originally Posted by fdpaq0580 (Post 2373805)
I don't think you should trust anyone! Doctors, lawyers, politicians, teachers, researchers ... nobody! Not even your pets. They aren't "kissing" you, they are tasting you. 😉 Just saying! 😏

You forgot to mention the con artists who claim to speak for their god.

Pugchief 09-26-2024 08:54 PM

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Originally Posted by fdpaq0580 (Post 2373892)
Depends on what the premise is. Ex: If premise is that the sea level is getting higher, one needs only data from multiple locations demonstrate the trend. Measurement of the depth of every square foot of ocean surface is not necessary. One who wants to argue the trend can always claim insufficient data, whether reasonable or not. Ask silly questions as red hearings. Claim data was , omg, "manipulated", when simply rounded up or down to a reasonable decimal point. And, who gets to decide what is critical to demonstrating a premise? The researcher? The ones requesting the research? Or some random guy /gal on totv? Just because, whatever it is, doesn't match one's own preferred narrative does not mean the demonstrated premise is "fake" or intended to mislead in any way.

Huh? Okay, so we are doing a study on US crime. Up or down? Well, it would make us look bad if we told the truth, so let's use data that excludes major crime centers. Voila! Crime is down! We weren't trying to mislead you! Same with the fake jobs report that keeps getting revised down by several hundred thousand every single time. No misleading, just made an honest mistake!

So tell me, did we only need data from zip codes 32159, 32162 and 32163 to prove crime is down? I mean, that's several data points.

Sorry, your argument is not convincing.

Pugchief 09-26-2024 08:54 PM

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Originally Posted by fdpaq0580 (Post 2373905)
I can think of several. I'm just a little bit surprised you can't, too. Or, maybe you can but 🤐
No matter. 🫠

Do tell...

AMB444 09-26-2024 11:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Pugchief (Post 2373991)
Huh? Okay, so we are doing a study on US crime. Up or down? Well, it would make us look bad if we told the truth, so let's use data that excludes major crime centers. Voila! Crime is down!.

Or does include major crime cities but those cities don't respond to 911 calls. And if they do... don't arrest anyone. Catch and release. Search "violence interrupters".

With cops down and shootings up, Minneapolis residents frustrated by police inaction • Minnesota Reformer

golfing eagles 09-27-2024 12:50 AM

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Originally Posted by spd2918 (Post 2373513)
It looks like the digital availability is making for more scrutiny. It makes me wonder if the older papers were just as bad.

I'd like to know what percentage of fake papers were on climate change.

About 100%. Let me rephrase: 99% of global warming papers are fake. The only truly accurate papers are those that show global warming is cyclical and has nothing to do with human activity

jimbomaybe 09-27-2024 04:14 AM

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Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 2373822)
As to the FBI report - let's say that Chicago and Philadelphia refuse to report violent crime. So, they get left OUT of the FBI report every year. That report will still be of value for evaluating the National TREND, which is the main point of the FBI report. The US as an entity is much greater than a FEW cities.
.......The last sentence seems to me to be an OVER-GENERALIZATION where many variable quantities are lumped together And I disagree with the conclusion that a person can't believe ANYTHING because the experts lie. That conclusion is too NEGATIVE for me. The whole FABRIC of society is BASED on trust. We depend on our established institutions to give us economic stability. To lose that TRUST is to stumble into an abyss of social uncertainty. We MUST guard AGAINST that !

Its a matter of critical thinking, "let's say that Chicago and Philadelphia refuse to report violent crime. So, they get left OUT of the FBI report every year. That report will still be of value for evaluating the National TREND, which is the main point of the FBI report. The US as an entity is much greater than a FEW cities." only IF that has been the practice in the past. Electroshock therapy , prefrontal lobotomy were seen by intuitions as a new froward thinking opportunity for those with phycological problems, and so it continues

CybrSage 09-27-2024 07:21 AM

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Originally Posted by dtennent (Post 2373699)
Let's put this in perspective.

1) Assume that the number of 39,000 retractions is correct for the past 10 years. For 2022 the reported retractions was 6393.

2) A simple google search shows that 2-3 million articles are being published annually. I will take the number of 2.8 million for 2022 which was on the Science.org website. It is based on Scopus and Web of Science publication databases

Just a moment...

3) That means the number of retracted articles is about 0.23% of all the articles published in 2022.

While the growth in retracted papers is disturbing, the system is still working. Having worked in science all my life, I have come across people who publish false data. When it eventually comes to light, that person's reputation is, at the very least, diminished. If we are going to evaluate science, let's at least use the data correctly. How many other professions are as good?

11,300 of the retractions were for only two branches of science, not all of them.

If we are going to evaluate science, let's at least use the data correctly.


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