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Boston-Sean 10-24-2021 04:24 PM

I could go along with the "It's not his fault, they told him the gun was unloaded" people if the shot he fired was not pointed directly at the chest of another human being.

Does anyone think that if someone Baldwin cared about, like a family member, was in position to take a bullet to the chest that he would have blindly pulled the trigger?

He didn't care enough to check for himself. That's reckless. And criminal.

How about you? Would you point a gun at a family member and pull the trigger without double and triple checking to make sure it was unloaded?

If you would you are a fool and should be tossed in jail. Just like Baldwin.

Taltarzac725 10-24-2021 04:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Boston-Sean (Post 2021027)
I could go along with the "It's not his fault, they told him the gun was unloaded" people if the shot he fired was not pointed directly at the chest of another human being.

Does anyone think that if someone Baldwin cared about, like a family member, was in position to take a bullet to the chest that he would have blindly pulled the trigger?

He didn't care enough to check for himself. That's reckless. And criminal.

How about you? Would you point a gun at a family member and pull the trigger without double and triple checking to make sure it was unloaded?

If you would you are a fool and should be tossed in jail. Just like Baldwin.

There is no comparison.

This was at a movie set which was supposed to have safety protocols.

Someone messed up and it was probably the armorer as well as an assistant director.

Crew member who gave Baldwin gun subject of prior complaint

Kelevision 10-24-2021 05:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Escape Artist (Post 2020903)
Whaaaat??? Blanks?! Everyone's been saying a "loaded gun" and talking about how it was loaded with bullets.

If blanks are so dangerous then Baldwin should know that, as he's worked in movies and TV a long time. At least he should know enough not to point it at someone at close range and then pull the trigger. :ohdear:

First, i understand your ignorance to this subject however, I personally have worked on sets for over 30 years. I’ve also directed Blue Bloods and we had many loaded weapons firing on that show. But the difference was we had professionals doing their jobs. As ALL UNION shows would have. This person was NOT union. And was 24 and had no business being in charge of a weapon.

This is a statement from the gaffer, who is the person working closely with the DP, who was killed.

I have received hundreds of calls, text messages, letters with words of support and condolences since the day of the tragedy with Halyna Hutchins, and I'm very grateful to everyone. Yes, I knew Halyna, not for a year. I worked with Her on almost all of her films. Sometimes we've shared food and water. We've been burning under the sun, freezing in the snow on the shoots. We took care of each other. Yes, I can say with 100% confidence she was my friend.
WAS!!!
I also received many calls from different mass media sources from multiple countries asking to tell what happened; also from numerous institutes and universities for the students to know what needs the most attention.
Yes, I was standing shoulder-to-shoulder with Halyna during this fatal shot that took her life and injured the director Joel Souza. I was holding her in my arms while she was dying. Her blood was on my hands.
I want to tell my opinion on why this has happened. I think I have the right to do it.
It's the fault of negligence and unprofessionalism.
The negligence from the person who was supposed to check the weapon on the site did not do this; the person who had to announce that the loaded gun was on the site did not do this;
the person who should have checked this weapon before bringing it to the set did not do it.
And the DEATH OF THE HUMAN IS THE RESULT!
I'm sure that we had the professionals in every department, but one - the department that was responsible for the weapons. There is no way a twenty-four-year-old woman can be a professional with armory; there is no way that her more-or-less the same-aged friend from school, neighborhood, Instagram, or God knows where else, can be a professional in this field.
Professionals are the people who have spent years on sets, people who know this job from A to Z; These are the people who have the safety on set at the level of reflexes; they do not need to be told to put the sandbag on a tripod, fix the ladder on the stage, or fence off the explosion site. They have it in their blood.
I'm calling out to the Producers!
We have a fascinating and amazing job, but it's also dangerous. We film in the mountains, in the open water, underwater. We have explosions, shooting guns, car crashes, electricity after all, and much more.
To save a dime sometimes, you hire people who are not fully qualified for the complicated and dangerous job, and you risk the lives of the other people who are close and your lives as well.
I understand that you always fight for the budget, but you cannot allow this to happen. There should always be at least one professional in each department who knows the job. It is an absolute must to avoid such a tragedy, like the tragedy with Halyna.
I do not wish anyone to go through what I went through, what her husband @Matt Hutchins and her son Andros went through, and the actor Alec Baldwin, who has been handed a gun on set. He has to live with the thought that he took the life of the human because of unprofessional people.
Dear Producers, by hiring professionals, you are buying peace of mind for yourself and the people around you. It is true that the professionals can cost a little more and sometimes can be a little bit more demanding, but it is worth it. No saved penny is worth the LIFE of the person!
And finally, dear Producers, please remember that it's not you who are giving the opportunities to the people you hire make their money; it's the people you hire who help You make Your money. Remember this!
I also want to thank the camera operator @Ried Russell, who was with us and helped save Halyna. Thank you to the set medic @Cherlyn Schaefer who did everything she could to save Halyna's life.
We all loved Halyna.
May God Bless her soul.
Rest in Peace.
And God protect Us All.

Kelevision 10-24-2021 05:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Taltarzac725 (Post 2021031)
There is no comparison.

This was at a movie set which was supposed to have safety protocols.

Someone messed up and it was probably the armorer as well as an assistant director.

Crew member who gave Baldwin gun subject of prior complaint

Correct! Both were absolutely responsible. And the person who hired the unqualified armorer. That AD will never work again. The armorer was an inexperienced 24 year old who’s father is a famous one.

Kelevision 10-24-2021 05:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Taltarzac725 (Post 2020995)
That seems to be where they are investigating and the like.

Alec Baldwin should have some civil liability depending on how much control he had over the safety procedures and the like. But I see no criminal actions on his part and the victims' families would have some say in all this and they seem to not hold Alec Baldwin responsible for any of this.

Sorry but you have no idea how productions work. There is no actor who would check the gun. They have people for that. He is not even a grain of sand size responsible. It’s the 1st AD and the Armorer. PERIOD.

Kelevision 10-24-2021 05:26 PM

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Originally Posted by dewilson58 (Post 2020815)
But it does not change personal responsibility.

"Rules" do not change The Law.

:shocked:

You are incorrect in this case. I love all you non film business people chiming in with absolutely no clue what you’re talking about. Lololoolol:1rotfl:

manaboutown 10-24-2021 05:27 PM

"There is no indication that Baldwin knew that that prop gun was "live" or that he personally loaded the gun. To the contrary, recent reports indicate that he was handed the gun by an assistant director who reportedly declared "cold gun," or a gun with no live ammunition. That is notable since an earlier recorded message of a crew member complained that the incident was the fault of an assistant director, who was supposed to check the gun.

If true, Baldwin had little reason as an actor to suspect anything was wrong with the prop. The problem is that Baldwin was not simply an actor. He was also one of the producers on a site that had reportedly experienced prior discharges and complaints about site safety.

New Mexico has a provision that allows "involuntary manslaughter" charges for "the commission of a lawful act which might produce death in an unlawful manner or without due caution and circumspection." If there was a pattern of neglect, including prior discharges from these prop weapons, the producers could be charged with involuntary manslaughter. Such a charge is a fourth-degree felony in New Mexico, with a penalty of 18 months jail time and up to $5,000 in fines."

From: Jonathan Turley: Alec Baldwin shooting – what are the criminal and civil liabilities? | Fox News

Joe V. 10-24-2021 05:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Kelevision (Post 2021040)
Sorry but you have no idea how productions work. There is no actor who would check the gun. They have people for that. He is not even a grain of sand size responsible. It’s the 1st AD and the Armorer. PERIOD.

Rules do not negate laws. Unbelievable.

Kelevision 10-24-2021 05:33 PM

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Originally Posted by skippy05 (Post 2020951)
YOU have no idea what YOU are talking about. A man takes a gun into his hands and pulls the trigger without checking himself to see if it was loaded needs to rot in jail. Who cares what job is what person. The only thing that matters is the one who pulled the trigger.

Actually, I do. I’ve worked on film sets for over 30 years. Still do. Heading to Vancouver in 2 weeks to direct a show. Just because I live in The Villages doesn’t mean I’m retired. I’m only 56. I plan on directing for another 20 years. I love my job. Just not when inexperienced people get hired and don’t do their job correctly and someone gets killed. I know exactly what the gun protocol is.

Joe V. 10-24-2021 05:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Kelevision (Post 2021046)
Actually, I do. I’ve worked on film sets for over 30 years. Still do. Heading to Vancouver in 2 weeks to direct a show. Just because I live in The Villages doesn’t mean I’m retired. I’m only 56. I plan on directing for another 20 years. I love my job. Just not when inexperienced people get hired and don’t do their job correctly and someone gets killed. I know exactly what the gun protocol is.

Movie set gun protocol in no ways indemnifies anyone from the law. The law is the real world.

manaboutown 10-24-2021 05:38 PM

Hopefully he will be tried in a court of law and found guilty for negligent homicide in his capacity as a producer in addition to his gross negligence in his handling of the loaded firearm. To me exacerbating the issue is the history of prior, possibly accidental, discharges of live rounds on the set. If found guilty he should be locked up and serve time just like the rest of us would have to do.

JSR22 10-24-2021 05:46 PM

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Originally Posted by manaboutown (Post 2021053)
Hopefully he will be tried in a court of law and found guilty for negligent homicide in his capacity as a producer in addition to his gross negligence in his handling of the loaded firearm. To me exacerbating the issue is the history of prior, possibly accidental, discharges of live rounds on the set. If found guilty he should be locked up and serve time just like the rest of us would have to do.

I wish nothing happens to Baldwin. 95% of the hateful comments are people who do not like his politics. Get over it!

manaboutown 10-24-2021 05:48 PM

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Originally Posted by JSR22 (Post 2021059)
I wish nothing happens to Baldwin. 95% of the hateful comments are people who do not like his politics. Get over it!

Nonsense! He himself shot and killed a woman. Furthermore he was the producer. He needs to be tried for negligent homicide.

dewilson58 10-24-2021 05:55 PM

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Originally Posted by JSR22 (Post 2021059)
I wish nothing happens to Baldwin. 95% of the hateful comments are people who do not like his politics. Get over it!

J4.........Love You, but I'm on the practical side. He fired a gun & killed someone. Period.

I don't care about "on the set rules", he fired a gun and killed someone. Wasn't my daughter he killed, but he kill someone's daughter.

There is no justification, he killed someone.

JMintzer 10-24-2021 05:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Kelevision (Post 2020756)
They weren’t real bullets… they were blanks. Blanks kill.

That is incorrect...

A blank will not go thru one person into another...

But you are partially correct. The explosive gasses from a blank round can kill. But only at VERY close range (ie, Jon-Erik Hexum, who was playing Russian Roulette with a gun loaded with blanks...)


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