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manaboutown 09-27-2022 11:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Taltarzac725 (Post 2140395)
New Mexico Statutes Section 30-2-3 (2018) - Manslaughter. :: 2018 New Mexico Statutes :: US Codes and Statutes :: US Law :: Justia

Baldwin did not have any reasonable expectation to view the firearm as loaded as he was on a movie set which had a person assigned to weapon safety.



Facts matter.

New Mexico is notorious for going very easy on killers. Perhaps that is one reason there have been 100 homicides in Albuquerque so far this year. Alec will walk. That will not excuse his culpability as he failed to check for a live round in the weapon then carelessly aimed the weapon at the lady and pulled the trigger.

Then he lied, claiming he had not pulled the trigger. The FBI lab proved he had pulled the trigger. What a guy!

APD: homicides at record pace after 100th homicide in 2022

In the long run facts and laws do indeed matter. Hollywood rules, regulations and procedures do not.

JMintzer 09-27-2022 03:46 PM

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Originally Posted by UpNorth (Post 2140438)
They use plenty of fake replica items during the filming of a movie. No reason for a real gun to be anywhere on that set. Unless you needed one that only fired blanks.

A gun that fires blanks will also fire regular rounds...

dewilson58 09-27-2022 04:59 PM

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Originally Posted by JMintzer (Post 2140507)
A gun that fires blanks will also fire regular rounds...

Sometimes.............and if it does, MOST of the time the gun has been modified.

JMintzer 09-27-2022 08:18 PM

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Originally Posted by dewilson58 (Post 2140524)
Sometimes.............and if it does, MOST of the time the gun has been modified.

Most times... Especially in revolvers with ZERO modifications...

In semi-automatics, a blank cartridge will not cycle the weapon...

Nucky 09-27-2022 08:26 PM

Justice here is the key. Who pulled the trigger?

fdpaq0580 09-27-2022 08:29 PM

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Originally Posted by dewilson58 (Post 2140524)
Sometimes.............and if it does, MOST of the time the gun has been modified.

No need for a closeup shot while aiming at anyone. Photo shot of several people they wouldn't need an exact replica, a "stunt double" for the gun would work fine. Whether the gun could fire live ammo or not is not what I am currious about. What I want to know is, WHO is the idiot that thought it was acceptable to bring live ammo to the venue. Certainly, the person who provided the ammo and loaded the gun is just as, if not more, responsible for this horrible incident as the idiot that thought he was playing with a harmless gun.

Taltarzac725 09-27-2022 09:03 PM

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Originally Posted by fdpaq0580 (Post 2140544)
No need for a closeup shot while aiming at anyone. Photo shot of several people they wouldn't need an exact replica, a "stunt double" for the gun would work fine. Whether the gun could fire live ammo or not is not what I am currious about. What I want to know is, WHO is the idiot that thought it was acceptable to bring live ammo to the venue. Certainly, the person who provided the ammo and loaded the gun is just as, if not more, responsible for this horrible incident as the idiot that thought he was playing with a harmless gun.

Making a movie; not playing.

dewilson58 09-28-2022 05:39 AM

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Originally Posted by JMintzer (Post 2140541)
Most times... Especially in revolvers with ZERO modifications...

In semi-automatics, a blank cartridge will not cycle the weapon..
.

:1rotfl:

Boston-Sean 09-28-2022 07:07 AM

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Originally Posted by JMintzer (Post 2140541)

In semi-automatics, a blank cartridge will not cycle the weapon...

A firearm doesn't need to cycle to fire a single shot.

Boston-Sean 09-28-2022 07:17 AM

All the Baldwin defenders should ask themselves this question:

If the script had called for Baldwin to point the gun at his own head do you think he would have taken the word of someone else that it was unloaded or would he have checked it himself?

Keep in mind that he's a gun owner himself and knows how to verify that a gun is unloaded. A task that would take less than 5 seconds.

fdpaq0580 09-28-2022 07:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Taltarzac725 (Post 2140547)
Making a movie; not playing.

Fine. Doesn't really matter. Who brought the ammunition and loaded the gun? There is culpability there.
Old question that goes as follows, " if a chimpanzee is given a loaded gun and the chimpanzee shoots someone, who is responsible? The chimp, or the person that gave it a loaded gun?"

Taltarzac725 09-28-2022 07:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Boston-Sean (Post 2140592)
All the Baldwin defenders should ask themselves this question:

If the script had called for Baldwin to point the gun at his own head do you think he would have taken the word of someone else that it was unloaded or would he have checked it himself?

Keep in mind that he's a gun owner himself and knows how to verify that a gun is unloaded. A task that would take less than 5 seconds.

People including actors have been killed doing that.

Taltarzac725 09-28-2022 07:44 AM

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Originally Posted by fdpaq0580 (Post 2140607)
Fine. Doesn't really matter. Who brought the ammunition and loaded the gun? There is culpability there.
Old question that goes as follows, " if a chimpanzee is given a loaded gun and the chimpanzee shoots someone, who is responsible? The chimp, or the person that gave it a loaded gun?"

Baldwin is not a chimp. He is a chump at times.

fdpaq0580 09-28-2022 09:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Taltarzac725 (Post 2140615)
Baldwin is not a chimp. He is a chump at times.

Personally, I'm inclined to think he is a bit of both. 😀

Kenswing 09-28-2022 09:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Boston-Sean (Post 2140592)
All the Baldwin defenders should ask themselves this question:

If the script had called for Baldwin to point the gun at his own head do you think he would have taken the word of someone else that it was unloaded or would he have checked it himself?

Keep in mind that he's a gun owner himself and knows how to verify that a gun is unloaded. A task that would take less than 5 seconds.

Or if it was one of their own family members would they be so forgiving.


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