On this: "One of the responses was that citizens should be able to own whatever weapon that the military has so the military cannot over run citizens."

Few, if any people on here have said citizens should have whatever weaponry the military has, like 'grenade launchers, should fired missiles, or cluster bombs'.

Most people want weapons for self defense of their person and property and for hunting, not for defending some imagined weirdo militia compound cited for a strawman argument.

When the answer is always bigger guns, you need to step back and think where this leads on a longer term basis. Don't get me wrong, I'm not against gun ownership, but escalating the level of armaments thought to be needed should be seriously questioned. We can't guarantee they will not fall into the wrong hands. It is just a matter of time, it will happen if we stay on this course.

Ferguson cops = keystone cops = promoting media's aspect to maintain/further an agenda.

The media's priorities are to be first (does not matter if correct or not)

To entertain

To maintain/further their agenda (which does not have to relate to anything in the case).

How about some opinions of what the Ferguson residents think..".yeah right!

Evidently the Ferguson police aren't too militarized, the situation is still out of control. :shrug:

Somewhere upthread they said there are 50 LEO. I feel for these guys, I guess that shakes out to about 13 per shift, doesn't seem like a lot under the circumstances.

Maybe if the rioters don't want to endure the police presence they should knock it off and go home.

I have absolutely no problem with people having "normal" firearms (pistols, shotguns, rifles) but not tactical weapons like "streetsweeper shotguns, assault style rifles with huge capacity magazines, etc.

To me, a well-regulated militia means the National Guard. It does not mean a group in an Idaho compound.

I understand your concern with Idaho, but have you noticed the firepower brandished by the Black Panthers ?

And if you read history, the movement to arm citizens began in the 60's in response to the Black Panthers..




"It is ironic that the modern-day argument for citizens to arm themselves against unwarranted government oppression -- dominated, as it is, by angry white men -- has its roots in the foundation of the 1960s Black Panther movement. Huey Newton and Bobby Seale became inspired by Malcolm X's admonishment that because government was "either unable or unwilling to protect the lives and property" of African Americans, they ought to defend themselves "by any means necessary."

Black Panthers and Gun Control: The NRA's Flip Flop - The Root

Same group that broke up the news conference the other day. Of course they were from outside that neighborhood as have been most of the trouble

That was an excellent post and the linked article was excellent as well. Hopefully, it will be read by all the NRA supporters on this forum.

Sadly the criminal element in Missouri is using this incident as an excuse to do what they do best. Live off the sweat of others. The police need to take action and do what ever needs to be done to halt the looting.

Hands up don't shoot! How do you not get shot by a policeman when you are unarmed.

None of the above items will be used in response to jaywalking, parking violations, spitting or any other such violations.

The tanks and shoulder fired missiles, if they have them, will be kept in the police dept. garage until such time as they are needed.

Where I would draw the line: Local police departments should not have the atomic bomb....:ho:

I certainly don't have the answer to this question, but given what little we know of the shooter and the victim, which one would you pick to ...........trust? Are they both bullies? I don't know. I know what I think.

It is hard not to jump to that conclusion for me, living my life the way I have and having the experiences I have had. Maybe I am not thinking the right way...I don't know.

But I feel fear. Is it justified?

I know not even close to enough about the policeman or the young victim to even come close to a judgement on either, and would hope everyone just stays cool until we do know.

This "RUSH to justice" is a media event created by the same old actors.

Most whites are killed by whites...most blacks are killed by blacks...THAT is a statistical fact.

When a white is killed by a black, it is newsworthy for a short time. When a young black is killed by a white, the difference is that the drumbeat will go on as long as possible...the looting and basically destroying business will continue...BECAUSE there is a ready made "COTTAGE INDUSTRY" already in place to insure guilt is well spread among ALL whites, and in this case all policemen.

Al Sharpton and is ilk are at the ready to insure the yelling and screaming just continues...until he gets the POTUS involved..the attorney general and all.

ANY kind of rush to judgement in any other case would be stopped, caution exerted, but here there is a call for arrest NOW.

Sharpton, and he is not the only one live for these moments, and we all know how he and others simply "flirt" with facts (see the Brawley case)

Meanwhile the inexcusable looting will continue and the rhetoric will keep on.

Please, let everybody do their job....get the h..l off the streets....stop burning the local businesses....AND SOMEBODY tell these headline seeking parasites to go home

First based on some of the previous comments made it seems in this day and age the only time race is not an issue is if the person is white but that's the subject of another thread

Are the protesters all from Ferguson? No there outside agitators and gangsters that want a cover so they can loot and their greed and their mission is damaging race relations

Given 9/11, the stronghold American gangs have on many cities, the disregard for the rule of law by so many Americans and the continuing and increasing danger at our borders America is facing a more dangerous existence and I welcome the build up by police departments because they are eventually going to need sophisticated deterrents

I truly believe in live and let live and I thought this race issue was long behind us but something changed? if the law abiding citizens of Ferguson were smart they protest the Sharptons and agitators and tell them to go back home and let the investigative process continue

IMO, what changed is we went from a country of accomplishment to a country of entitlement.

After Howard Beach Mayor Koch made a comment to the effect that "there are more whites killed in black neighborhoods than blacks in white, the difference is we call it getting off at the wrong subway stop."

Very simple. You don't attack him as you try to escape after robbing a liquor store.