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RoseyRed 12-10-2024 06:14 PM

Has anyone else seen the headlines referencing his wife said he had been receiving threats? There was an interview with a security firm that noted it was quite odd the CEO was alone when shot. He had no one with him and no security detail. Seen another article referring to the possibility Brian Thompson had hired a hit man to assist with his own suicide. There were investigations going on for insider trading. Seems there will be another side investigators find.

Rainger99 12-10-2024 07:16 PM

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Originally Posted by RoseyRed (Post 2392532)
Has anyone else seen the headlines referencing his wife said he had been receiving threats? There was an interview with a security firm that noted it was quite odd the CEO was alone when shot. He had no one with him and no security detail. Seen another article referring to the possibility Brian Thompson had hired a hit man to assist with his own suicide. There were investigations going on for insider trading. Seems there will be another side investigators find.

There are a lot of theories on the internet.

jimjamuser 12-10-2024 10:38 PM

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Originally Posted by golfing eagles (Post 2392520)
Interesting opinion.

So, the top 10% of earners paying 77% of all income tax and the top 53% paying 100% of that tax isn't "fair enough". I suppose handing out social service $$$ that would require an uneducated single mother of 2 to hold a job that pays $78,000/year to break even is fair?

Just giving the opposing viewpoint

It is generally common knowledge that in the 50s and 60s that a middle class family could have as many as 3 children and STILL be happy and feeling successful with their lives with ONLY ONE PERSON WORKING FULL TIME AT ONLY ONE JOB (usually the husband). Today it is generally considered necessary for BOTH the husband and wife to work (often more than 1 job for greater than 40 hours per week). And then they must decided IF they can afford to have ONE child.
.........So, we ask ourselves, "What has changed in those 65-some years until today". Obviously, a lot has changed, but to me, the most important change has been the tax laws changing to benefit the upper class over the middle class.
.........Certainly, there have been other noteworthy changes. The OUTSOURCING of American manufacturing has benefited the upper 10% and has HURT the middle class, which by 2000 really ceased to exist.
..........Increased immigration after 1980 also has helped eliminate the middle class.
..........Decimation of US UNIONS has also been a factor in the demise of the middle class.
..........Part of the reason behind the UHC executive shooting and the so-called "UNEXPLAINED" lack of sympathy for the murdered executive and his family is explained by the MIDDLE CLASS TENSION existing throughout US society. I do NOT see this going away soon BECAUSE of the problems that I have enumerated above.

jimjamuser 12-10-2024 10:42 PM

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Originally Posted by asianthree (Post 2392524)
However when your child is denied possible lifesaving treatment, either by surgical or chemical intervention, by your healthcare. One might have different thoughts. It happens everyday, maybe hasn’t crossed your lifetime, but many have denied care, that it would be for some not just a bad experience, but a trip to the cemetery.

That was the plot of a popular movie with Denzel Washington.

Rainger99 12-11-2024 04:59 AM

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Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 2392559)
That was the plot of a popular movie with Denzel Washington.

The movie was John Q.

John Q. - Wikipedia.

golfing eagles 12-11-2024 05:01 AM

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Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 2392558)
It is generally common knowledge that in the 50s and 60s that a middle class family could have as many as 3 children and STILL be happy and feeling successful with their lives with ONLY ONE PERSON WORKING FULL TIME AT ONLY ONE JOB (usually the husband). Today it is generally considered necessary for BOTH the husband and wife to work (often more than 1 job for greater than 40 hours per week). And then they must decided IF they can afford to have ONE child.
.........So, we ask ourselves, "What has changed in those 65-some years until today". Obviously, a lot has changed, but to me, the most important change has been the tax laws changing to benefit the upper class over the middle class.
.........Certainly, there have been other noteworthy changes. The OUTSOURCING of American manufacturing has benefited the upper 10% and has HURT the middle class, which by 2000 really ceased to exist.
..........Increased immigration after 1980 also has helped eliminate the middle class.
..........Decimation of US UNIONS has also been a factor in the demise of the middle class.
..........Part of the reason behind the UHC executive shooting and the so-called "UNEXPLAINED" lack of sympathy for the murdered executive and his family is explained by the MIDDLE CLASS TENSION existing throughout US society. I do NOT see this going away soon BECAUSE of the problems that I have enumerated above.

If one wants economic equality, might I suggest North Korea????

CoachKandSportsguy 12-11-2024 08:16 AM

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Originally Posted by golfing eagles (Post 2392568)
If one wants economic equality, might I suggest North Korea????

The big picture point is that when the size of imbalance gets to an extreme, where the masses can overwhelm the plutocrats, and there is desperation for survival, to avoid some pain of sorts, desperate people can perform desperate acts, and movements can snowball. .
FOMO is a strong human herding effect towards varies themes du jour.

I would suggest that most in TV are not in the desperate camp, but that doesn't mean desperation can't be real, and that the French revolution can't happen here over other issues than food. . . The worst of all worlds happened in Greece, where the rich class took all their money and moved out of the country. . . leaving the country very poor due to lack of money and opportunity. .

Europe's world dominance in the late 1800s was surpassed by the American world dominance in the 1900s and early 2000s. . will that continue, or fall as all major civilation leasers have, mostly from within. .

GE is correct to move to NK because the plutocrats keep the proletariat in check with force, unlike the freedoms where have in the US/European cultures. .

Dusty_Star 12-11-2024 08:49 AM

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Originally Posted by tophcfa (Post 2392256)
I think we are missing the more important lesson here. What the hell is the current higher education system brainwashing the youth with? This kid was a high school valedictorian and attended a prestigious Ivy League University. He is a good looking kid, comes from a wealthy family, has what is considered the best education available, and seemingly had the world by the balls. Now he is going to spend the rest of his life rotting in prison as someone’s pretty boy bitch (lucky for him NY doesn’t have the death penalty). Back in the day, good educational facilities taught students how to respectfully earn a good living in the corporate world. Now they jam DEI down students throats and teach them that hard working capitalism (which creates good and honest jobs) is a bad thing. Add to that, the kid is a social media hero for committing a premeditated cold blooded murder. WTF?

You are on to something. This is a link to a professor at UPenn who says she has 'never been prouder to be a professor at UP' while a popular protest song from Les Mis plays. https://x.com/EYakoby/status/1866506642977611970 Very strange reaction to a murder.

Caymus 12-11-2024 09:21 AM

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Originally Posted by CoachKandSportsguy (Post 2392644)
The big picture point is that when the size of imbalance gets to an extreme, where the masses can overwhelm the plutocrats, and there is desperation for survival, to avoid some pain of sorts, desperate people can perform desperate acts, and movements can snowball. .
FOMO is a strong human herding effect towards varies themes du jour.

I would suggest that most in TV are not in the desperate camp, but that doesn't mean desperation can't be real, and that the French revolution can't happen here over other issues than food. . . The worst of all worlds happened in Greece, where the rich class took all their money and moved out of the country. . . leaving the country very poor due to lack of money and opportunity. .

Europe's world dominance in the late 1800s was surpassed by the American world dominance in the 1900s and early 2000s. . will that continue, or fall as all major civilation leasers have, mostly from within. .

GE is correct to move to NK because the plutocrats keep the proletariat in check with force, unlike the freedoms where have in the US/European cultures. .

The shooter is from a wealthy family.

CoachKandSportsguy 12-11-2024 10:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Caymus (Post 2392680)
The shooter is from a wealthy family.

don't negate the post, wait and see what he states his motivations are. . doesn't mean he has alot of money, just means that he "potentially" has access to alot of money.

elevatorman 12-11-2024 11:56 AM

In Attica health care is free, just not much of it.

jimjamuser 12-11-2024 12:10 PM

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Originally Posted by CoachKandSportsguy (Post 2392644)
The big picture point is that when the size of imbalance gets to an extreme, where the masses can overwhelm the plutocrats, and there is desperation for survival, to avoid some pain of sorts, desperate people can perform desperate acts, and movements can snowball. .
FOMO is a strong human herding effect towards varies themes du jour.

I would suggest that most in TV are not in the desperate camp, but that doesn't mean desperation can't be real, and that the French revolution can't happen here over other issues than food. . . The worst of all worlds happened in Greece, where the rich class took all their money and moved out of the country. . . leaving the country very poor due to lack of money and opportunity. .

Europe's world dominance in the late 1800s was surpassed by the American world dominance in the 1900s and early 2000s. . will that continue, or fall as all major civilation leasers have, mostly from within. .

GE is correct to move to NK because the plutocrats keep the proletariat in check with force, unlike the freedoms where have in the US/European cultures. .

I believe that this post aligns with my post in substance. This post is much more elegant than mine. It brings in a nice historic flavor to the subject.

jimjamuser 12-11-2024 12:42 PM

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Originally Posted by golfing eagles (Post 2392568)
If one wants economic equality, might I suggest North Korea????

What I WANT is economic FAIRNESS as there was in the 50s and 60s when America had the world's strongest middle class. After 1980 the average middle class worker's pay stayed the same (made ZERO gains) when inflation is considered - from 1980 until today. After Covid there was a small gain in average pay.
.........What I would have liked to HAVE HAPPENED is for the tax laws to NOT have been changed toward benefiting the upper class. That would have kept the working class strong (and incidentally made the US stronger than it is today). I would have liked to have the Politicians from 1980 to today to have RESISTED all forms of OUTSOURCING to China and other countries. I would have LIKED the Politicians after 1960 to have KEPT the population of the US from rising above 260 million people by decreasing IMMIGRATION to only a few needed Physicians and top end Scientists. Note now we have so many unnecessary low level people ALREADY in the USA, that we are now thinking about deporting 10 or 20 million people. That would be REVERSE immigration. What an interesting concept. What if a country DECIDED what their BEST maximum population SHOULD be. Switzerland may be the closest country that tries to keep an IDEAL population level. Australia also has strict rules about immigration.
...........I would also RESPECT and encourage ALL UNIONS.
..........If the US had done those things that I outlined above, I believe that America would be STRONGER than it is today and Americans would be happier and wealthier. It would be like "the streets were REALLY paved in GOLD".

jimjamuser 12-11-2024 01:11 PM

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Originally Posted by golfing eagles (Post 2392568)
If one wants economic equality, might I suggest North Korea????

Oh, I believe in Capitalism, definitely!!!! Just a purer form of Capitalism like in the 50s and 60s. Today the US government and its laws have caused a fertile ground for dissatisfaction and the dissatisfied have resorted to violence against a CEO of UHC and also a bullet hitting the ear......... Mr. Luigi Mangione may or may not be dissatisfied that the US middle class is not stronger and strong enough NOT to resist a GREEDY CEO of an insurance company that denies 30% of its customers claims. Luigi has become like a Robin Hood figure because he robbed from the RICH. He didn't rob for money and he was wrong to take a life. But many businesses in the US are ROBBING Americans every day. Some pharmacy medicines are priced like a Robin Hood highway robbery.
.........Most Americans would agree that the US form of Medical DELIVERY that DEPENDS on GREEDY insurance companies should be CHANGED. A killer with a gun is a shocking example of the need for change - to keep Capitalism in medicine, but ELIMINATE the GREED.

Michael G. 12-11-2024 01:29 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bMfssjo92G8


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