Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 2392760)

What I WANT is economic FAIRNESS as there was in the 50s and 60s when America had the world's strongest middle class. After 1980 the average middle class worker's pay stayed the same (made ZERO gains) when inflation is considered - from 1980 until today. After Covid there was a small gain in average pay.
.........What I would have liked to HAVE HAPPENED is for the tax laws to NOT have been changed toward benefiting the upper class. That would have kept the working class strong (and incidentally made the US stronger than it is today). I would have liked to have the Politicians from 1980 to today to have RESISTED all forms of OUTSOURCING to China and other countries. I would have LIKED the Politicians after 1960 to have KEPT the population of the US from rising above 260 million people by decreasing IMMIGRATION to only a few needed Physicians and top end Scientists. Note now we have so many unnecessary low level people ALREADY in the USA, that we are now thinking about deporting 10 or 20 million people. That would be REVERSE immigration. What an interesting concept. What if a country DECIDED what their BEST maximum population SHOULD be. Switzerland may be the closest country that tries to keep an IDEAL population level. Australia also has strict rules about immigration.
...........I would also RESPECT and encourage ALL UNIONS.
..........If the US had done those things that I outlined above, I believe that America would be STRONGER than it is today and Americans would be happier and wealthier. It would be like "the streets were REALLY paved in GOLD".

Originally Posted by Taltarzac725 (Post 2392788)

The shooter is just some evil SOB who wanted to be famous like the Unabomber. Sick that some people are trying to make a hero out of him.

Originally Posted by Taltarzac725 (Post 2392788)

The shooter is just some evil SOB who wanted to be famous like the Unabomber. Sick that some people are trying to make a hero out of him.

Originally Posted by golfing eagles (Post 2392791)

Wow. You think the tax rate in the 50's was fair??? Some paid 0 while others paid 85%! Here's what's "fair"---a flat 17%, PERIOD.

Originally Posted by Happydaz (Post 2392807)

I agree with you. Although the internet has been a vehicle for a lot of good, unfortunately it at times can give rise to a very dark side of humanity that hides behind anonymity to say many awful things. Seeing what happens on teen social sites and children being driven to suicide does show the depravity that can inhabit the web. Australia is on the right track limiting internet access to young people in order to protect them. We adults have to make our own decisions. It is disturbing to me to see all the class warfare, anti business, and political theories as to why this happened. Some even theorize that the man himself or his wife had him killed by this amateur. Is it possible that this is just one man who went to New York alone and murdered this businessman?

Originally Posted by golfing eagles (Post 2392791)

Wow. You think the tax rate in the 50's was fair??? Some paid 0 while others paid 85%! Here's what's "fair"---a flat 17%, PERIOD.

Originally Posted by Taltarzac725 (Post 2392788)

The shooter is just some evil SOB who wanted to be famous like the Unabomber. Sick that some people are trying to make a hero out of him.

Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 2392871)

Many rich people pay ZERO taxes today. A flat tax system would only help rich people and hurt the most important segment of ANY society - the middle class. A highly progressive tax that forces rich people to pay their fair share is the best because those that are born lucky enough to be rich will be able to help out those that were not so lucky and some that have physical problems.
........Incidentally, one of the main ideas of the early Colonists were that each generation should earn their OWN way. That they should NOT get inheritances from their parents. Inheritances makes rich families, which eventually develop into KINGS and DICTATORS. There should be zero transfer of inter - generational wealth.

Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 2392760)

What I WANT is economic FAIRNESS as there was in the 50s and 60s when America had the world's strongest middle class. After 1980 the average middle class worker's pay stayed the same (made ZERO gains) when inflation is considered - from 1980 until today. After Covid there was a small gain in average pay.
.........What I would have liked to HAVE HAPPENED is for the tax laws to NOT have been changed toward benefiting the upper class. That would have kept the working class strong (and incidentally made the US stronger than it is today). I would have liked to have the Politicians from 1980 to today to have RESISTED all forms of OUTSOURCING to China and other countries. I would have LIKED the Politicians after 1960 to have KEPT the population of the US from rising above 260 million people by decreasing IMMIGRATION to only a few needed Physicians and top end Scientists. Note now we have so many unnecessary low level people ALREADY in the USA, that we are now thinking about deporting 10 or 20 million people. That would be REVERSE immigration. What an interesting concept. What if a country DECIDED what their BEST maximum population SHOULD be. Switzerland may be the closest country that tries to keep an IDEAL population level. Australia also has strict rules about immigration.
...........I would also RESPECT and encourage ALL UNIONS.
..........If the US had done those things that I outlined above, I believe that America would be STRONGER than it is today and Americans would be happier and wealthier. It would be like "the streets were REALLY paved in GOLD".

Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 2392760)

What I WANT is economic FAIRNESS as there was in the 50s and 60s when America had the world's strongest middle class. After 1980 the average middle class worker's pay stayed the same (made ZERO gains) when inflation is considered - from 1980 until today. After Covid there was a small gain in average pay.
.........What I would have liked to HAVE HAPPENED is for the tax laws to NOT have been changed toward benefiting the upper class. That would have kept the working class strong (and incidentally made the US stronger than it is today). I would have liked to have the Politicians from 1980 to today to have RESISTED all forms of OUTSOURCING to China and other countries. I would have LIKED the Politicians after 1960 to have KEPT the population of the US from rising above 260 million people by decreasing IMMIGRATION to only a few needed Physicians and top end Scientists. Note now we have so many unnecessary low level people ALREADY in the USA, that we are now thinking about deporting 10 or 20 million people. That would be REVERSE immigration. What an interesting concept. What if a country DECIDED what their BEST maximum population SHOULD be. Switzerland may be the closest country that tries to keep an IDEAL population level. Australia also has strict rules about immigration.
...........I would also RESPECT and encourage ALL UNIONS.
..........If the US had done those things that I outlined above, I believe that America would be STRONGER than it is today and Americans would be happier and wealthier. It would be like "the streets were REALLY paved in GOLD".

Originally Posted by Rainger99 (Post 2393204)

I found this on the internet.

Medicare Advantage plans denied 7.4% of 46.2 million requests submitted in 2022. This was up from 5.7% in 2019.

Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby (Post 2393219)

...and United Healthcare denied almost 33% of claims submitted to plans covering subscribers of their marketplace plans.

Pretty sure the shooter would not have been on a Medicare Advantage plan since he's only in his 20's.