THAT is exactly how I see it. I don't understand this kind of thought at all. We can sort the origins out later after we find a way to curb this disease, which is NOT overstated. Look at the spread throughout the entire world...……..except the southern hemisphere.

Seems China is not the only government that
"... failed to listen to their own Dr's ..."

China tariff
 

Do some research, China doesn't pay the Tariff, US importers of Chinese products pay the Tariff which often is pass onto you the consumer in the form of higher prices. Also Mexico is not paying for the wall. Please turn off Fox news.

Did you miss the five guys rolling on the floor p--ing their pants in laughter ?

Tariffs
 

China does not pay tariffs on goods we import. The company that imports them pays the tariff and decides whether to pass on the payment to the consumer or absorb the cost themselves.
It reduces imports only by making the products more expensive to the US consumer.

That’s like saying let’s just clean up the mess at Pearl Harbor and figure how the Navy dropped the ball. They’ll be plenty of time to figure later out why the Japanese allegedly attacked us.

I've been a Made In USA guy for a decade now and your points have been made for a long time now, clear labelling and making online vendors post the origin are the two problems, the biggest problem is the price point. Americans get paid too much per hour and are less productive then the Chinese, plus our executives demand huge salaries and bonuses, all this makes the price of American Made goods less competitive. So companies like Levi's move thier plants overseas or to Mexico save billions of $$ , don't decrease the cost of the jeans, and American's still think they are buying an American product. If we all made an effort to find and buy American made products, even though more expensive, the US manufacturing base would return which should rise all boats, unfortunately poor people don't want to spend $100 for a toaster and rich executives don't want a cut to thier million $$ salaries, plus this is America right. I don't agree with using the virus as a tool to blame China though, the 2009 Swine Flu Pandemic came from the USA and killed about 300 million globally, just think if other countries would have blamed the USA and stopped buying our stuff.

1. Notice the five guys on the floor
2. It was my golf buddies, the ones with the red caps did tell me this is the way it works.

is anyone so naive as to think that totalitarian government would not risk even 10% of its population 1,438,278,906 ( that's only 1,438,278 deaths ) if it could lead to world domination ? china regularly disposes of dissidents. does anyone remember the 1 child policy ? we should all know china by now so why defend them ? they are an economic enemy to capitalism

also naive OR ignorant - import tariffs are imposed by OUR government thereby making the goods more expensive ON THE DOCK/AIRPORT APRON. 'decides whether to pass on the payment [ tariff ] to the consumer or absorb the cost themselves.' LAUGHABLE if the company paying tariff absorbs the cost, why would the products be more expensive to american consumers ? need to learn some basic economics

tariffs are imposed to make imported goods more expensive - either to punish the exporting co OR level the playing field for foreign vs domestic items of comparable value,,, by making foreign imports more expensive to consumers, it reduces the amount spent on foreign imported items

this is a tightrope as china's the largest holder of u s debt

pay back
 

what ever you try to do to china as tariffs go is only backfire on the usa since they do all our manufacturing which includes medicines and it will cost us more $$$. Its like cutting off you nose to spite your face.

China is a Communist Country, remember Mao Zedong was responsible for killing over 20 MILLION of his people over 25 year period, they don’t care about the common people, yes I believe it was an engineered virus at the Wuhan Lab and unleashed by them, remember their economy was only hit by 3% and their economy has already recovered, also the virus only reached only a few in Bejing and almost no one in Shanghai, they are about 300 miles or less from Wuhan!!!!! The World Economy on the other hand is in shambles, both European and American Stocks are suffering badly and it may be years to recover!! God Bless and Guide America!!!!!!

China is accountable for its part ... and the 12/15/19 Trade Agreement's "out" clause for acts of God make the actions of China criminal because they knew about the virus during the negotiations. WHO didn't hold China responsible and that may be criminal as well. BUT our leaders knew about this virus spreading and they are also responsible for pretending this was just another flu ... lots of people ducking accountability.

Don’t shoot the messenger. Got it from a friend. The following are the barcodes for products sold in the US and the originating countries. I don’t know how accurate it is but I will pay attention when I shop, look at where it came from and then if that country matches the barcode

690-692 … then it is MADE IN CHINA
00 – 09 … USA & CANADA
30 – 37 FRANCE
40 – 44 GERMANY
471 … Taiwan
49 … JAPAN
50 … UK

I tend to strongly disagree with conspiracy theories and theorists. This video was made by the Falun Gong-run Epoch Times, which publishes a lot of anti-Chinese communist propaganda and has been largely banned from Facebook. However, I watched the whole thing and found it pretty compelling, except for the last ten minutes, which is primarily propaganda. There are a lot of notable experts interviewed, and a number of reputable scholarly articles quoted. I’d say, watch it.

I should mention that from 1983-84 I taught graduate students at a university in Beijing, before China allowed everyone to try a semi-free market system and make money. I am somewhat familiar with how the Chinese Communist Party ran things back then. I had friends who spent decades in Chinese prisons or work camps. I’m a friend of the Chinese, both here and there, and not entirely against the government, but I’m much more wary of it than are a lot of business people and governments. China always wins, every negotiation. The U.S. government was naive to think that tariffs would not lead to responses that hurt us.

As for those who say we should not buy anything made with Chinese ingredients, are there any cell phones, iPads, computers, televisions, or telephones that don’t have at least some parts made in China? I don’t think so. What American cars have no Chinese parts at all? None that I know of. And, always, what is done against the Chinese government is inevitably also done against the wonderful people of China. I am very much against prejudice against the Chinese, especially the ones who live here.

Many of the same mistakes made by China were also made here in the U.S. Who do we punish here?

I tend to believe that the virus was mishandled in their lab in Huan. I also believe that there were workers in that lab that were infected unknowingly. Further on I question why all travel in and out of Huan Province was prohibited. Was it because the mistake was found and the Chinese tried to contain the virus, not realizing that there were individuals that were infected with the virus and were already out and in the general population beyond Huan Province.
Then there is Italy. What I have read, true or not, was President Trump denied entry by Chinese into the USA but Italy not wanting to be refusing entry into their country, allowed Chinese into the northern part of Italy as workers were needed in that area. Blame, yes, because that is where it started and practically destroyed Italy. I don't know if Italy will ever be the same, changed forever.

I Remember as a young boy growing up, if I did something wrong, and I was confronted about it, and was warned, what happened was wrong, but lying about it was worse, and so was the punishment.
What can the world do to extract due punishment for being the cause of so many deaths, worldwide, financial ruin in so many Countries, and a changing of the lives of all of us. Find them, who would be "them, and give jail terms." Financial judgement, what number would be enough? Condemnation by the World, not trusted to do business with them, turn away and isolate their leadership or part in any International endeavors. To extract punishment from their leaders will also punish the Chinese people who were unknowingly affected by the cover-up . They too, will be blamed for the mess that has happened. I was in a Dr's office Monday and heard a patient, who is Chinese, say to the receptionist, that she is so hurt and so embarrassed by what was done by her people. Now she will carry the guilt, even though no part of the act. Will it get better as time moves on and a vaccine is discovered, please, that will control this virus and give us a protection against another round of infections?
The new buzz word is the "new normal."

A place to start that would help the U.S. and provide some punishment to China is to move much of our drug manufacturing back to the U.S. There is an effective way to do that. Most new drug development uses funding from our National Institute of Health. Simply stipulate that any drug created while using government funds has to be manufactured in the U.S. - at least a big enough percentage to supply U.S. needs.

As a country, we should never again be in the position we are today, that is, relying on China for our safety gear and medicines.

A good article from Forbes re: tariffs.

8,124 views|Jun 13, 2019,04:25am EDT
Who Really Pays For Tariffs? The Answer Isn't As Simple You'd Think
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what is the evidence showing that the commies "unleashed" this on us? be specific as to what and a source

Oh lawdy.....Chinese Conspiracy Theory #45.

When will these "theorists" ever just put a cork in it. Reading these theories which state, "I am told" (by whom) or "It is well established" (perhaps only in the poster's mind) reminds me just how ignorant and stupid people can be. Yes, harsh terms but well deserved. Either that or zealots who care not one whit about facts.

What is well known is that given our intelligence resources (which have been significantly degraded in the current administration), high levels of the US government knew COVID was coming (from whatever source). Unlike the response in many countries which have faced the same situation, the US response was (pick one): A) underwhelming, B) satisfactory, C) overwhelming, D) non-existent. We don't have to look any further than our own front yard if we realize we are number one in deaths and infection rates because of your answer above. Truman had a sign on his desk that said, "The buck stops here." It seems we now live in a country where our leaders (and their zealous followers) attempt to lay the blame on anyone and anything other than themselves.

Please stop with the Russian trolling propaganda. It doesn't serve us at all

sitting here reading all these comments really makes me happy that there's no audio

can you imagine being in a room with everyone that's responding to this post trying to speak over one another at the same time

yikes

it's laughable that we, who have so very little real information on this whole covid-19 thing, can form such strong opinions

The days of isolationism are long gone...the world's economy is intertwined...it's like the wizard in the hot air balloon at the end of the Wizard of OZ....we can't go back

I agree
 

It will be a long and slow change

If you want to find out what China is like and you have some time sitting at home, take a look at this. the CCP has no regard for life but to have power over it: China's problems with the Uyghurs (Documentary from 2014 in HD) - YouTube. There are other videos to see too. We need to stop using their meds or you'll find that you just might be taking more than you wanted.......

ColdNoMore - You win this one, no matter the conspiracy theorists! It was the corporations, the CEO's, the stock market, Steve Jobs and Apple, the Walmarts, and... yes the consumer who shifted the manufacture basis overseas, be it Mexico, China, and then Vietnam, etc.
In these days, the world is way too much interconnected; Isolationism, hardly worked pre-World War I, it wouldn't succeed now. The way of the passenger pigeon - jobs, manufacturing, protectionism, coal production, and probably, soon, carbon burning automobiles...
(From someone who rallied about overseas production just several years ago)

Amen! Right on....if I can help it I will never buy another ANYTHING from China. I am working on that feat right now.

Its has been proven China in December blocked domestic flights in and out of Wuhan also blocking roads in and out of Wuhan because of this virus being transmitted from person to person then allowing international flights to leave in turn infecting the rest of the world . The Virus cannot be proven to be intentional but the spread thru out the World intentionally can by their careless actions to contain it.

A tariff on them is an indirect tax on us. It’s just another was to transfer wealth from the poor and middle class to the wealthy.

You may want to look into the history of the Chinese communist government. Millions of their people have been killed or incarcerated over the years. They don't care one iota about "human rights".

Totally agree and don’t eat Chinese food or go to Chinese nail salon!!Sorry to say sometimes the good ones will suffer but that’s how it goes !!

Yep, you are ABSOLUTELY CORRECT.

But, a whole lot of people who never change their television channel (or their minds)...are completely unaware of this. :ohdear:

There seems to be a correlation between people who use the term conspiracy theory and those who are in denial about the nature of the CCP. That’s understandable because most Americans are blissfully ignorant of CCP doctrine.

This interview with a USAF General, which happened prior to the pandemic, will prove helpful to those who would actually like to educate themselves on what we’re facing.

Is the US-China Trade War a Cold War? (w/ Kyle Bass and Gen. Robert Spalding) - YouTube


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I don't understand your post in answer to my post. I said this is a world wide problem and the only area's I see unaffected greatly at this point are Africa and South America. Australia and New Zealand ARE badly affected. Why are you talking about the President? He is not a skilled medical professional. At this point, talking about boycotting products has NOTHING to do with the serious issue of Covid-19 and the danger to all of us. We can sort out where it came from and who if anyone to blame, later on, after we address the issue at hand which is trying to keep as many people alive from this brand new bug that no one in the world has had before and there are no medicines or therapies that are proven to combat it.

I recall it as being President Bush. No. It was Nixon.
what president opened trade with china - Bing

Your post, which was excellent, is one of the rare ones on this topic wherein someone who has experience with the topic, China, and has observed the CCP up close and personal so to speak. And, more impressive, you were actually willing to watch the content of the link the OP posted.

The video was compelling and w/r/t it being made by a Falun Gong, it’s understandable why the FG are not big fans of the CCP. There have been instances where FG political prisoners have had their organs harvested and then sold.

I would finally note that no one who knows anything about this topic is trying to stigmatize the Chinese people. The CCP is the problem and the threat to our country


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Except farms, mostly owned by large corporations not mom & pop legacy farmers, were bailed out at the tune of... twice as much as the auto manufacturers.

The biggest difference between the two?

Auto companies mostly paid back, with interest, their bailouts/loans.

Farms are under no similar requirements...so those BILLIONS are simply gone forever.

Yeah, shooting oneself in the foot...can be expensive. :ohdear:

Has it occurred to you that the people who really got rich off outsourcing American manufacturing capabilities to China trade were the corporatists and globalists of both parties?

Yep, but it's so much easier to try & blame someone else...than to look in the mirror.

That would take the most lacking characteristic in our country right now...honesty. :ohdear:

Wow, talk about projection. :ohdear: