Your post, which was excellent, is one of the rare ones on this topic wherein someone who has experience with the topic, China, and has observed the CCP up close and personal so to speak. And, more impressive, you were actually willing to watch the content of the link the OP posted.

The video was compelling and w/r/t it being made by a Falun Gong, it’s understandable why the FG are not big fans of the CCP. There have been instances where FG political prisoners have had their organs harvested and then sold.

I would finally note that no one who knows anything about this topic is trying to stigmatize the Chinese people. The CCP is the problem and the threat to our country


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Except farms, mostly owned by large corporations not mom & pop legacy farmers, were bailed out at the tune of... twice as much as the auto manufacturers.

The biggest difference between the two?

Auto companies mostly paid back, with interest, their bailouts/loans.

Farms are under no similar requirements...so those BILLIONS are simply gone forever.

Yeah, shooting oneself in the foot...can be expensive. :ohdear:

Has it occurred to you that the people who really got rich off outsourcing American manufacturing capabilities to China trade were the corporatists and globalists of both parties?

Yep, but it's so much easier to try & blame someone else...than to look in the mirror.

That would take the most lacking characteristic in our country right now...honesty. :ohdear:

Wow, talk about projection. :ohdear:

You can guarantee nothing. We certainly are not wealthy but opted to pay almost $1,500. more for flooring in our home to keep those wonderful facilities in neighboring state, Dalton, GA alive and running. Their product is excellent and when shopping anytime we make an effort to avoid “Made in China” products. I have a feeling those espousing Chinese goods have some Chinese stock in their funds or portfolios.

Say reason you point finger at the gun and not the killer.

I think that most if not all of us think that because China hates the US, that the act was deliberate.

COME ON! Do you actually believe it was an act of God? So widespread

They should love us, they steal, lie, cheat, and our government even hands out money to them in aid thinking it will make difference

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Well I think we have to tread lightly when we point fingers. The WHO is suppose to protect the world, not keep secrets for another country & protect them, even if it is the U.S., China or any other country! Also why does the U.S. pay 400 million into the WHO, for what & China 30 million? If that's true what our govt. tells us. We should of been given a heads up on this virus & if it was us that cause the virus, other countries should of been warned. Probably won't know the real reason because the govt. have a lot of secrets that they don't tell us.

I don't know how quickly information got from Wuhan to whomever makes the decisions. What has been reported is that a few people were seriously ill in Wuhan with something that a small group of doctors thought was new and contagious. They didn't know what it was, but clearly they were right. How long did China delay?

There are no dates earlier than Dec 30 that I can find for a definitive diagnosis of a SARS like virus. This is HERE in a Wikipedia page on the doctor who sent reports out when he saw the lab report and was reprimanded by the government, and later died of COVID. Dr Li issued his warning not to the government but to other doctors to wear PPE as he was aware of 7 cases.

On Jan 5, less than one week later, the WHO released its initial statement on the still un-identified virus.

Does that sound like a major delay? How long did it take our government to react to HIV/AIDS? To blame the Chinese for not shutting everything down because of a few deaths in a single city is a wonderful example of 20/20 hindsight. How long did it take the US to shut down anything, already knowing what was coming, that it was deadly and untreatable? How hard did people here in The Villages fight against closing swimming pools and pickleball courts, because everything seemed fine.

Some has posted here as evidence of the Great Chinese Conspiracy that they didn't ask for us to send our CDC to help. I don't recall our country asking for outside help with our health care problems. China, believe it or not, actually has a lot of bright scientists and doctors and their own CDC which managed to produce test kits that actually worked unlike ours.

We know what COVID is whereas China did not at the end of Dec and early Jan. Even knowing how easily it spreads and how deadly it can be, and with 100's and 1000's of known cases, what is our leadership most worried about now? Why the need to open up our economy. This was best expressed by a few people who are shall I gently say, to the right of the midline...
Dr Oz, regular contributor on one highly watched network, who opined that a 2 to 3 % death rate was preferable to keeping schools closed. And the Lt. Gov of Texas who said grandparents are willing to die if that is what is needed to save the economy, and then doubled down on that message more this week on Fox:

So if I'm understanding the anti-China argument...because they were worried about their economy they failed to lock down after a few cases and before they'd identified an organism BUT per the GOP person who is a apparently thoughtful enough to be a regular FOX guest, Texas should not have been locked down because the economy is more important than lives, especially old people.

My neck is sore from the whiplash.

What should China have done sooner? I doubt our country would have responded any more quickly had it begun here.

We are all one world. Hate and ignorance will get you nowhere.

To your excellent point, we have an ample supply (unfortunately) of people who are either blissfully naïve to the CCP threat or, worse, criminally complicit and therefore literally treasonous. For example, with respect to the latter, back in late January just as the virus pandemic was getting underway :

"The Department of Justice announced today that the Chair of Harvard University’s Chemistry and Chemical Biology Department and two Chinese nationals have been charged in connection with aiding the People’s Republic of China.

Dr. Charles Lieber, 60, Chair of the Department of Chemistry and Chemical Biology at Harvard University, was arrested this morning and charged by criminal complaint with one count of making a materially false, fictitious and fraudulent statement. Lieber will appear this afternoon before Magistrate Judge Marianne B. Bowler in federal court in Boston, Massachusetts.

Yanqing Ye, 29, a Chinese national, was charged in an indictment today with one count each of visa fraud, making false statements, acting as an agent of a foreign government and conspiracy. Ye is currently in China.

Zaosong Zheng, 30, a Chinese national, was arrested on Dec. 10, 2019, at Boston’s Logan International Airport and charged by criminal complaint with attempting to smuggle 21 vials of biological research to China. On Jan. 21, 2020, Zheng was indicted on one count of smuggling goods from the United States and one count of making false, fictitious or fraudulent statements. He has been detained since Dec. 30, 2019 ... " :shocked:

For those who don't understand how this works, the CCP is calling the shots here, not the Chinese people per se. It's one of numerous examples I could cite, with sources, wherein the CCP is at war with America but some of us still don't get it. Fortunately, more people are waking up to what should be obvious by now.

Harvard University Professor and Two Chinese Nationals Charged in Three Separate China Related Cases | OPA | Department of Justice


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Ignorance of the nature of CCP is especially toxic.