Not true. My their own admission, they freeze much of the components and then crush them into "fluff" (whatever the hell that means), which is dumped into landfills. They -say- it is safe...

What Does Tesla Do With Old Batteries?

Many are readily available for well under $40K...

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Here is what they actually do.

The only material from these batteries that actually goes into a landfill is the modules. These parts are frozen, shredded, and crushed into harmless fluff that can’t contaminate the soil.

Yes, some are. Low volume sales. Most, as I already stated, are around $50K. Tesla has most of the sales. Most Teslas start around $50K.

I'll consider buying an electric vehicle when the Government stops subsidizing them and when more than 50 percent of new vehicle sales are electric. Until then, I won't buy one.

What are all the people without garages going to do like people in apartments?

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All the manufacturers are going completely electric by 2030-2035 and internal combustible engines will stop coming to market eventually. This is the way of the future and with this new green deal being slipped through Congress now as a “infrastructure plan” more manufacturers are motivated to go full electric.
The price of gas is quickly rising and will eventually be double or triple the price per gallon before you know it. I’ve seen this debate before your always going to have the anti electric car folks and then there’s the people who love electric cars .

Go test drive a Tesla and see for yourself it’s the most amazing car I have ever driven . It’s not for everyone but I can definitely see why so many people own them and love them. In 9 months I used a super charger once for 20 min other wise cost about $5 to top off the batteries at home. If you like fast cars these are rocket ships. The Tesla will leave just about any other production car in the dust.
Maintenance wise just add windshield washer fluid once in a while!!!

And they look like a frog!

Went to Disney the other day. There were five charging stations and all were occupied. What if you are the sixth Tesla?

They will probably eventually have charging stations on the streets but seems like an easy target for vandalism or mischief (i.e. unplugging).

EV's would make a great second car for most people, who only have to drive 20 - 30 miles per day. Plug it in back home and let it charge overnight. Probably a good choice for me when my 37 MPG Nissan (my second car) quits. However, for long trips, gas is still the way to go. There is battery technology in the near future that may change my mind.

Look like a Frog?? Haha
A frog with 4 wheels?

Tesla not only tells you where the next charging stations are and how far until you get there but it tells you how many stalls are open at that time.
Btw when the pipeline hack just hit and gas was running dry it was a good time to have a electric vehicle!!

I remember a Top Gear episode where an Audi R8 and a Tesla (I think a model X) went at it. It was kind of sad to watch that beautiful Audi get left in the dust. A sign of the future I think.

What happens when the power grid goes down?

Where does the "fluff" (that theoretically can't contaminate the soil) go?

Where will all the electricity to charge all of these batteries come from?

So, in your scenario, it's a tax break for the wealthy...

And what happens when they hit our electric grid?

Ford getting in to the electric game, WSJ this week
 

Interesting article about Ford competing in electric. It said that the battery increases expense and decreases sales margin so the money is made up on the software upgrades. Any idea on how this works? Is there a subscription price or something along those lines with the ownership?

Also 3 out of 4 electric car sales are Tesla which I thought indicates perhaps more of a desire for Tesla than electric.

Glad you feel good driving your Tesla - how do you feel about 7 year olds mining the Colbat in the battery?

Amnesty International says human rights abuses, including the use of child labour, in the extraction of minerals, like cobalt, used to make the batteries that power electric vehicles is undermining ethical claims about the cars.

Artisanal miners as young as seven were seen by researchers who visited nine sites including deep mines dug by hand using basic tools. Miners, the youngest of whom were earning as little as $1 a day, reported suffering chronic lung disease from exposure to cobalt dust.

The dirty secret of electric vehicles | World Economic Forum

So you aren't driving a gas driven vehicle either? Because gas and oil has been subsidized for eons. And food. You're not eating food, I hope, because farming has been subsidized for eons too.

There is a difference in letting a business write off actual business expenses (which is what they are calling "subsidies for the gas/oil companies") and getting a tax break for buying a product.

You are actually taxed more when buying gasoline...

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I REALLY like the looks and features of the brand new Ford Mach-E. And it's getting wonderful reviews. I like the styling better than Tesla, and the interior is great too. Much more stylish than Tesla IMO, and has a small display right in front of the driver too.

I looked at one up close, sat in, etc - but no test drive. Reason being... I did NOT wanted to be too tempted. For several reasons. We have a wonderful Mercedes SUV with only 27K miles. And Ford has the $7500 tax credit on their Elec vehicles - but our tax rate simply would not get much - would leave almost all of that "on the table" which is foolish.
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What you are referring to is a tax benefit, not a direct subsidy. Subsidies are not what can be deducted because of business expenses.

Fact Sheet | Fossil Fuel Subsidies: A Closer Look at Tax Breaks and Societal Costs | White Papers | EESI

I don't like those subsidies either. Take away the subsidies and let the free market determine what people buy. There is too much Government control of everything. But, even with the subsidies, less than 5 percent of the vehicles on the road are electric.

Ideally renewable energy but not there yet.

And if they hack the grids no ones driving very far , unless you have solar with battery back up!!

That’s terrible hopefully that will end. Unfortunately this happens in many industries on a wide variety of products we have in our possession.

Apple and Google named in US lawsuit over Congolese child cobalt mining deaths | Global development | The Guardian

Until they allow us to recharge the battery in minutes not interested.

Cannot imagine driving long distance to see our kids and grandkids and have to wait and wait for battery to charge.

The thing that concerns me about the Tesla is they make the body lightweight since it’s an EV but how does it fare in a car accident?

Also when we go to Miami to visit our Son I don’t want to spend a half
hour charging the car adding to our 4-hr. trip.

Thanks for proving my point. Pretty much everything they listed as a "subsidy" was actually a business expense...

My business is an S Corp. I am allowed to "write off" my business expenses. Some, have to be depreciated, over several years, but most are written off as they occur. The only difference is that the government has allowed the gas/oil companies to either accelerate their depreciation schedules, or eliminate them, writing off the costs in the year they were incurred...

How that is considered a "subsidy" is mind boggling...

"Ideally"? There is nothing "renewable"on the horizon that will produce that much electricity to meet that much demand...

Solar with battery backup? Again, there is nothing available (or close to being available) that will produce that much energy in any reasonable time frame...

Just last week, I saw some city official (maybe the mayor?), bragging about all of the EV charging stations they were installing...

A reporter actually had the balls to ask "Where is the electricity coming from?", and some underling actually answered the question.

"90% comes from coal"...

They immediately ended the press conference...

I'm betting that underling is now looking for a new job...

Actually, they have a very high safety rating...

tesla crash safety - Google Search

It is on the horizon still many years away and Solar with battery back up is here now for homeowners and you can sell your electric back to the grid.

Obviously you will never buy a electric car and I can understand why it’s not for you. Like it or not Electric cars are here to stay and gaining market share every day. Look at Ford , GM and VW to name a few and it’s full steam ahead for ALL car manufacturers . Internal combustible engine (ICE) sales will decline as more EVs ( electric vehicles) are produced.
Long distance driving will require more stops but normal every day driving these cars are the best for many reasons. Range will increase and charge times will decrease every year.

1. Never say never...

2. I didn't said I didn't like the fact that they are gaining market share (minuscule as it may be)...

3. For "normal every day driving these cars are the best for many reasons. Range will increase and charge times will decrease every year." That is certainly an opinion. One in which millions of people disagree. But "if" range increases and charging times decrease" to a level I deem acceptably, I might share that opinion...

4. When they are a viable form of transportation, at a reasonable cost, without subsidies (which I'll probably never receive), I'd certainly consider one. I have several friends who have Teslas and they love them for what they are. Local transportation, 50-100 miles a day. The wife and I often take long road trips and there is currently no serious option for that scenario. When there is, my thoughts may change...

In the world of if you own it you know how long charging takes. There is an app for supercharger stations, never have to go out of the way. Driving a Tesla from Louisville to TV, is not a big deal. You can reserve a spot while shopping in Orlando, Disney. Shopping, or dinner takes more time than the charge.
Too bad Buc-ees doesn’t have superchargers, you could spend more than half an hour just walking around the store.

Don't get close to them in an accident. If there is a fire they go up real quick.

Sorry, but give me a V8.

You never have to go out of your way IF there are enough charging stations along your route.

Unfortunately, that is not yet the case, everywhere.

Whoa there!!! I have seen some that were not ugly at all

Plumbers, not elec cars

Just a random non Tesla EV question. Is it true that non Tesla EVs cannot use the Tesla Charging stations because of incompatibility of the plugs ? Do they have a patent on that connection ? If so, are we in or going to be in, a Betamax /VCR situation with multiple charging stations all over the place ?