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tuccillo 05-29-2021 06:28 PM

You are probably not a candidate for an electric vehicle unless you are willing to take 20 minute recharging breaks every couple of hours.

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Originally Posted by JMintzer (Post 1952406)
So far this year? 8 times...


Ben Franklin 05-29-2021 06:31 PM

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Originally Posted by JMintzer (Post 1952407)
When is the government going to stop subsidizing 1/2 the cost of EVs?

Talk about tax breaks for the wealthy...

As soon as they stop subsidizing the oil and gas industry that's been going on for eons. A conservative estimate from Oil Change International puts the U.S. total at around $20.5 billion annually, including $14.7 billion in federal subsidies and $5.8 billion in state-level incentives.

MSchad 05-29-2021 07:37 PM

Saw a question posed the other day: As electric vehicle sales/use increases, how are all those batteries safely disposed of when they all start going bad?

Ben Franklin 05-29-2021 07:44 PM

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Originally Posted by MSchad (Post 1952436)
Saw a question posed the other day: As electric vehicle sales/use increases, how are all those batteries safely disposed of when they all start going bad?

Probably the same thing they did with the thousands of millions and millions and millions of batteries from old cars, until they will come up with a solution.

JMintzer 05-29-2021 07:46 PM

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Originally Posted by tuccillo (Post 1952416)
1/2 the cost? Do you have a reference for that?

My bad, it's "only" 1/3 of the cost (on the lower priced EVs)...

U.S. Senate panel advances EV tax credit of up to $12,500

And that's just to the consumer. It doesn't count the tax breaks to the manufacturer...

tuccillo 05-29-2021 07:49 PM

Sustainability | Tesla

Who Knew? A Car Battery Is the World's Most Recycled Product

The same issue exists for all of the lead-acid batteries from gas cars. Recycling of lead-acid batteries is a well developed process. Close to 100% of a lead-acid battery is recycled. I think it is safe to assume that the infrastructure to recycle the lithium-ion batteries in EVs (and subsequent other battery technologies) will scale up as sales scale up.


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Originally Posted by MSchad (Post 1952436)
Saw a question posed the other day: As electric vehicle sales/use increases, how are all those batteries safely disposed of when they all start going bad?


tuccillo 05-29-2021 07:54 PM

That is possibly in the future but doesn't exist right now. Your post indicated that you believe that they are currently being subsidized. Also, the $12,500 proposal is only for cars made in union shops so it would exclude the largest EV maker in the US: Tesla. The proposal is for $10,000 for Teslas - not anywhere near 1/2 the cost. Again, possibly in the future. Currently, there are no Federal tax credits for cars from Tesla and GM. Please provide a reference to show that 1/2 is subsidized currently.

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Originally Posted by JMintzer (Post 1952439)
U.S. Senate panel advances EV tax credit of up to $12,500

And that's just to the consumer. It doesn't count the tax breaks to the manufacturer...


JMintzer 05-29-2021 07:57 PM

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Originally Posted by tuccillo (Post 1952440)
Sustainability | Tesla

Who Knew? A Car Battery Is the World's Most Recycled Product

The same issue exists for all of the lead-acid batteries from gas cars. Recycling of lead-acid batteries is a well developed process. Close to 100% of a lead-acid battery is recycled. I think it is safe to assume that the infrastructure to recycle the lithium-ion batteries in EVs (and subsequent other battery technologies) will scale up as sales scale up.

You're making major assumptions...

tuccillo 05-29-2021 08:00 PM

Such as ...

From Tesla:

Any battery that is no longer meeting a customer’s needs can be serviced by Tesla at one of our service centers around the world. None of our scrapped lithium-ion batteries go to landfilling, and 100% are recycled.


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Originally Posted by JMintzer (Post 1952444)
You're making major assumptions...


tuccillo 05-29-2021 08:05 PM

Again, possibly in the future. Federal tax credit of $7500 currently exists for some manufacturers; not Tesla and GM. That is hardly 1/3 the cost. Most EVs sold today have prices starting around $50K.

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Originally Posted by JMintzer (Post 1952439)
My bad, it's "only" 1/3 of the cost (on the lower priced EVs)...

U.S. Senate panel advances EV tax credit of up to $12,500

And that's just to the consumer. It doesn't count the tax breaks to the manufacturer...


JMintzer 05-29-2021 08:10 PM

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Originally Posted by tuccillo (Post 1952446)
Such as ...

From Tesla:

Any battery that is no longer meeting a customer’s needs can be serviced by Tesla at one of our service centers around the world. None of our scrapped lithium-ion batteries go to landfilling, and 100% are recycled.

Not true. My their own admission, they freeze much of the components and then crush them into "fluff" (whatever the hell that means), which is dumped into landfills. They -say- it is safe...

What Does Tesla Do With Old Batteries?

JMintzer 05-29-2021 08:12 PM

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Originally Posted by tuccillo (Post 1952447)
Again, possibly in the future. Federal tax credit of $7500 currently exists for some manufacturers; not Tesla and GM. That is hardly 1/3 the cost. Most EVs sold today have prices starting around $50K.

Many are readily available for well under $40K...

Access Denied

tuccillo 05-29-2021 08:27 PM

Here is what they actually do.

The only material from these batteries that actually goes into a landfill is the modules. These parts are frozen, shredded, and crushed into harmless fluff that can’t contaminate the soil.

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Originally Posted by JMintzer (Post 1952450)
Not true. My their own admission, they freeze much of the components and then crush them into "fluff" (whatever the hell that means), which is dumped into landfills. They -say- it is safe...

What Does Tesla Do With Old Batteries?


tuccillo 05-29-2021 08:29 PM

Yes, some are. Low volume sales. Most, as I already stated, are around $50K. Tesla has most of the sales. Most Teslas start around $50K.

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Originally Posted by JMintzer (Post 1952452)
Many are readily available for well under $40K...

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retiredguy123 05-29-2021 10:50 PM

I'll consider buying an electric vehicle when the Government stops subsidizing them and when more than 50 percent of new vehicle sales are electric. Until then, I won't buy one.


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