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TCNY61 05-29-2021 11:18 PM

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Originally Posted by MSchad (Post 1952436)
Saw a question posed the other day: As electric vehicle sales/use increases, how are all those batteries safely disposed of when they all start going bad?

What are all the people without garages going to do like people in apartments?

Toymeister 05-30-2021 05:41 AM

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Brad-tv 05-30-2021 08:12 AM

All the manufacturers are going completely electric by 2030-2035 and internal combustible engines will stop coming to market eventually. This is the way of the future and with this new green deal being slipped through Congress now as a “infrastructure plan” more manufacturers are motivated to go full electric.
The price of gas is quickly rising and will eventually be double or triple the price per gallon before you know it. I’ve seen this debate before your always going to have the anti electric car folks and then there’s the people who love electric cars .

Go test drive a Tesla and see for yourself it’s the most amazing car I have ever driven . It’s not for everyone but I can definitely see why so many people own them and love them. In 9 months I used a super charger once for 20 min other wise cost about $5 to top off the batteries at home. If you like fast cars these are rocket ships. The Tesla will leave just about any other production car in the dust.
Maintenance wise just add windshield washer fluid once in a while!!!

BostonRich 05-30-2021 08:21 AM

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Originally Posted by tuccillo (Post 1952419)
In reality, Teslas retain their value very well.

Early Nissan Leafs, not so much, because of a lack of a well engineered battery temperature control system.

And they look like a frog!

Went to Disney the other day. There were five charging stations and all were occupied. What if you are the sixth Tesla?

BostonRich 05-30-2021 08:25 AM

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Originally Posted by TCNY61 (Post 1952487)
What are all the people without garages going to do like people in apartments?

They will probably eventually have charging stations on the streets but seems like an easy target for vandalism or mischief (i.e. unplugging).

UpNorth 05-30-2021 08:45 AM

EV's would make a great second car for most people, who only have to drive 20 - 30 miles per day. Plug it in back home and let it charge overnight. Probably a good choice for me when my 37 MPG Nissan (my second car) quits. However, for long trips, gas is still the way to go. There is battery technology in the near future that may change my mind.

Brad-tv 05-30-2021 08:47 AM

Look like a Frog?? Haha
A frog with 4 wheels?

Tesla not only tells you where the next charging stations are and how far until you get there but it tells you how many stalls are open at that time.
Btw when the pipeline hack just hit and gas was running dry it was a good time to have a electric vehicle!!

jdulej 05-30-2021 09:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Brad-tv (Post 1952613)
All the manufacturers are going completely electric by 2030-2035 and internal combustible engines will stop coming to market eventually. This is the way of the future and with this new green deal being slipped through Congress now as a “infrastructure plan” more manufacturers are motivated to go full electric.
The price of gas is quickly rising and will eventually be double or triple the price per gallon before you know it. I’ve seen this debate before your always going to have the anti electric car folks and then there’s the people who love electric cars .

Go test drive a Tesla and see for yourself it’s the most amazing car I have ever driven . It’s not for everyone but I can definitely see why so many people own them and love them. In 9 months I used a super charger once for 20 min other wise cost about $5 to top off the batteries at home. If you like fast cars these are rocket ships. The Tesla will leave just about any other production car in the dust.
Maintenance wise just add windshield washer fluid once in a while!!!

I remember a Top Gear episode where an Audi R8 and a Tesla (I think a model X) went at it. It was kind of sad to watch that beautiful Audi get left in the dust. A sign of the future I think.

JP 05-30-2021 09:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Brad-tv (Post 1952636)
Look like a Frog?? Haha
A frog with 4 wheels?

Tesla not only tells you where the next charging stations are and how far until you get there but it tells you how many stalls are open at that time.
Btw when the pipeline hack just hit and gas was running dry it was a good time to have a electric vehicle!!

What happens when the power grid goes down?

JMintzer 05-30-2021 09:38 AM

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Originally Posted by tuccillo (Post 1952454)
Here is what they actually do.

The only material from these batteries that actually goes into a landfill is the modules. These parts are frozen, shredded, and crushed into harmless fluff that can’t contaminate the soil.

Where does the "fluff" (that theoretically can't contaminate the soil) go?

JMintzer 05-30-2021 09:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Brad-tv (Post 1952613)
All the manufacturers are going completely electric by 2030-2035 and internal combustible engines will stop coming to market eventually. This is the way of the future and with this new green deal being slipped through Congress now as a “infrastructure plan” more manufacturers are motivated to go full electric.
The price of gas is quickly rising and will eventually be double or triple the price per gallon before you know it. I’ve seen this debate before your always going to have the anti electric car folks and then there’s the people who love electric cars .

Go test drive a Tesla and see for yourself it’s the most amazing car I have ever driven . It’s not for everyone but I can definitely see why so many people own them and love them. In 9 months I used a super charger once for 20 min other wise cost about $5 to top off the batteries at home. If you like fast cars these are rocket ships. The Tesla will leave just about any other production car in the dust.
Maintenance wise just add windshield washer fluid once in a while!!!

Where will all the electricity to charge all of these batteries come from?

JMintzer 05-30-2021 09:41 AM

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Originally Posted by tuccillo (Post 1952447)
Again, possibly in the future. Federal tax credit of $7500 currently exists for some manufacturers; not Tesla and GM. That is hardly 1/3 the cost. Most EVs sold today have prices starting around $50K.

So, in your scenario, it's a tax break for the wealthy...

JMintzer 05-30-2021 09:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Brad-tv (Post 1952636)
Look like a Frog?? Haha
A frog with 4 wheels?

Tesla not only tells you where the next charging stations are and how far until you get there but it tells you how many stalls are open at that time.
Btw when the pipeline hack just hit and gas was running dry it was a good time to have a electric vehicle!!

And what happens when they hit our electric grid?

Laurawilcox 05-30-2021 09:51 AM

Ford getting in to the electric game, WSJ this week
 
Interesting article about Ford competing in electric. It said that the battery increases expense and decreases sales margin so the money is made up on the software upgrades. Any idea on how this works? Is there a subscription price or something along those lines with the ownership?

Also 3 out of 4 electric car sales are Tesla which I thought indicates perhaps more of a desire for Tesla than electric.

Papa_lecki 05-30-2021 10:03 AM

Glad you feel good driving your Tesla - how do you feel about 7 year olds mining the Colbat in the battery?

Amnesty International says human rights abuses, including the use of child labour, in the extraction of minerals, like cobalt, used to make the batteries that power electric vehicles is undermining ethical claims about the cars.

Artisanal miners as young as seven were seen by researchers who visited nine sites including deep mines dug by hand using basic tools. Miners, the youngest of whom were earning as little as $1 a day, reported suffering chronic lung disease from exposure to cobalt dust.

The dirty secret of electric vehicles | World Economic Forum


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