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Originally Posted by lkagele (Post 2012660)

Price was per pill.

Still waaaay too low...

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Originally Posted by Jacob85 (Post 2012693)

Pfizer immunity does go down after 6 months and boosters have been approved for people over 65. I just was on a flight yesterday and it was good they are still taking this virus seriously by the mask mandates

Sorry, but sitting shoulder to shoulder with people wearing cheap, ill fitting masks is not taking anything seriously.

I'll wear a mask, but I've no delusions that it's actually doing anything...

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Originally Posted by Gettingoutofdodge (Post 2012738)

N95 masks are the only masks that protect you and they are uncomfortable and hard to breathe in.
There is not enough data to give us long term results of the efficacy or safety of the vaccine.
I had the Moderna Vaccine and the side effects were no picnic. I had a Covid19 immunity test a few weeks ago. My immunity was still high. A statement under the results say something like having immunity does not mean your immune. So what is the new version of immunity?

My Dr. said do a immunity test every 3 months. If it’s high, no booster needed. I wear an n95 mask in a place it makes sense to. Mostly I go unmasked.

Do what you feel comfortable with.

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Originally Posted by mtdjed (Post 2012126)

My eyes were opened today as I picked up my son at Orlando's MCO airport. We entered the airport unaware that masks are required. We were among the few that were unmasked. No one challenged us but we honestly did not know. Last time we were there in April that requirement did not exist.

We then went to Mallory country club for dinner and no one was wearing a mask.

Today I read that the Phizor Covid vaccination are quickly losing their effectiveness after 6 months Wasn't the delay in getting approval due to FDA requirements to insure that longer range effectiveness was achieved? Is this the same as Moderna and J & J?

Is the Booster shot approved by FDA? How long is it effective.

Is actual occurrence of COVID 19 providing better protection than the inoculations? If so , why does that not allow for continuance of work rather than firing for not getting inoculation?

Not a lot of clear informed instruction and communication.

The company is Pfizer. The Pfizer vaccine is still very effective at preventing hospitalization and death even at 6-9 months but the frequency of breakthrough infections does seem to be increasing more for the Pfizer vaccine than for Moderna. Note that the 2 vaccines are both mRNA based. The Pfizer vaccine contains somewhat less of the mRNA and the dosing regimen was a shorter interval between shots. This may be leading to the slight differences being seen The Pfizer vaccine has an emergency use approval for a "booster" shot. Moderna has submitted data for an EUA for a booster. The data to date suggests that infection by the virus does not provide good protection against future infection compared to getting the vaccine. Waiting to be infected carries a very high risk of severe illness and or death as well as 30% of hospitalized patients suffer long term, debilitating medical issues for weeks to months, assuming they recover. The need for future or annual boosters is still being evaluated and will depend on many factors including how many choose not to get vaccinated as well as future mutations. Note that mutations only occur if people get infected which means the higher the population of unvaccinated the more likely a future mutation will negate our current vaccines. Masking has been proven effective in minimizing your risk of catching communicable diseases.

1. Get vaccinated
2. Get a booster when available, especially if over 65 or immune compromised in some way
3. Wear a mask when inside in public or when in large group.
4. Wash your hands.

My background is 30 years in the pharmaceutical industry as a researcher including time at Upjohn, Pharmacia and Pfizer and I contnue to read the technical literature as well as reading CDC and FDA publications. I encourage you to do your own reading at sites like the CDC or FDA sites.

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Originally Posted by cherylncliff (Post 2012755)

The data to date suggests that infection by the virus does not provide good protection against future infection compared to getting the vaccine.

Israeli studies (pretty much the gold standard) say otherwise...

They also say that Natural Immunity PLUS the Vaccination is MUCH better than either alone...

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Originally Posted by oneclickplus (Post 2012659)

A government website source does not make it true. I believe this man over every government talking head including Fauci.

A Final Warning - Dr. Mike Yeadon | Planet Lockdown

This guy is a British pharmacologist who gained media attention for making false claims about Covid. He is a notorious anti-vaxxer.

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Originally Posted by Wyseguy (Post 2012735)

Excellent post. You hit all of the points. Thank You.

Too bad few if not none of them were correct.

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Originally Posted by Wyseguy (Post 2012737)

You are so right. It is much better to let the government think for you. They care. I just hate when people think for themselves. They are selfish, and probably racist too.

Res ipsa loquitur

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Originally Posted by Gettingoutofdodge (Post 2012738)

N95 masks are the only masks that protect you and they are uncomfortable and hard to breathe in.
There is not enough data to give us long term results of the efficacy or safety of the vaccine.
I had the Moderna Vaccine and the side effects were no picnic. I had a Covid19 immunity test a few weeks ago. My immunity was still high. A statement under the results say something like having immunity does not mean your immune. So what is the new version of immunity?

My Dr. said do a immunity test every 3 months. If it’s high, no booster needed. I wear an n95 mask in a place it makes sense to. Mostly I go unmasked.

Do what you feel comfortable with.

The problem is that the antibody test only measures one antibody, but there are several involved in immunity to the virus. We not even sure which ones they are yet. So yes, you can have a high "antibody" level according to the test used, but not be "immune". And no doctor should be suggesting that a high antibody level according the the test that is used is a criterion for not getting a booster.

As far as "Do what you feel comfortable with.", if everybody did that, we'd range from people hiding under their beds to those mowing down hundreds at a mall with an AK-47. How about do what they experts advise? (Except for those who have already posted on this thread that they think the experts are "lying":1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:)

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Originally Posted by cherylncliff (Post 2012755)

The company is Pfizer. The Pfizer vaccine is still very effective at preventing hospitalization and death even at 6-9 months but the frequency of breakthrough infections does seem to be increasing more for the Pfizer vaccine than for Moderna. Note that the 2 vaccines are both mRNA based. The Pfizer vaccine contains somewhat less of the mRNA and the dosing regimen was a shorter interval between shots. This may be leading to the slight differences being seen The Pfizer vaccine has an emergency use approval for a "booster" shot. Moderna has submitted data for an EUA for a booster. The data to date suggests that infection by the virus does not provide good protection against future infection compared to getting the vaccine. Waiting to be infected carries a very high risk of severe illness and or death as well as 30% of hospitalized patients suffer long term, debilitating medical issues for weeks to months, assuming they recover. The need for future or annual boosters is still being evaluated and will depend on many factors including how many choose not to get vaccinated as well as future mutations. Note that mutations only occur if people get infected which means the higher the population of unvaccinated the more likely a future mutation will negate our current vaccines. Masking has been proven effective in minimizing your risk of catching communicable diseases.

1. Get vaccinated
2. Get a booster when available, especially if over 65 or immune compromised in some way
3. Wear a mask when inside in public or when in large group.
4. Wash your hands.

My background is 30 years in the pharmaceutical industry as a researcher including time at Upjohn, Pharmacia and Pfizer and I contnue to read the technical literature as well as reading CDC and FDA publications. I encourage you to do your own reading at sites like the CDC or FDA sites.

Please post that 1,000 times for the _________(fill in the blank) who think it is better to get the disease.

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Originally Posted by JMintzer (Post 2012758)

Israeli studies (pretty much the gold standard) say otherwise...

They also say that Natural Immunity PLUS the Vaccination is MUCH better than either alone...

I would think that goes without saying

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Originally Posted by coffeebean (Post 2012760)

This guy is a British pharmacologist who gained media attention for making false claims about Covid. He is a notorious anti-vaxxer.

Can you tell me some of his false claims?

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Originally Posted by golfing eagles (Post 2012783)

Please post that 1,000 times for the _________(fill in the blank) who think it is better to get the disease.

They do so if you repeat a lie often enough those who let others think for them will believe it.

Dr. Marty Makary, a professor at John Hopkins School of Medicine, said individuals formerly infected with COVID-19 are seven times more likely then vaccinated people to fight off the virus.

“It appears that natural immunity is better against the Delta variant. When you get infected with COVID, your body’s immune system develops antibodies to the entire surface of the virus,” Dr. Makary said. “Not just the slight protein that the vaccines gives you, but the entire surface. And so you get a more diverse antibody portfolio in your system.”

Dr. Makary said data from Israel revealed that natural immunity appears to be 6.7x more effective than being vaccinated when it comes to fighting off COVID-19.

“One of the great failures of our medical leadership has been ignoring the half of America with natural immunity.”

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Originally Posted by Wyseguy (Post 2012793)

They do so if you repeat a lie often enough those who let others think for them will believe it.

All I can say is that I applaud the individual who has the intelligence, education, and resources to do his own 5,000+ patient, multi-centered, double blinded, placebo controlled study and the facilities to correlate and interpret all the data so that he can "come to his own conclusions and think for himself" I have yet to meet that individual, but based on some of the posts on this thread, there must not only be people who think that person exists, but also think that they ARE that person.