So everyone should get the vaccine even if they might have had the virus?

Interview this morning with George Stephanopoulos and the president of Moderna.
Moderna stated that we could possibly reach herd immunity with 50 to 70% vaccinations.He hopes that percentage will be by June. So the myth of 100% vaccinated may not be true. But who to believe the President of Moderna, or a posters on TOTV, that those who can’t take the vaccine should be hunted down. I’m going with Moderna President and Physician

Six months from now I hope there is more intelligent conversations on this site other than vaccines and masks.

I never implied health care workers would forge the vaccination card but there are plenty of bad people out there that will. I'm not the only person who believes a Covid vaccination card can be forged. Blank Covid Vaccination cards are already on the internet. I'm sure there are plenty of tech savvy folks who will print these cards. This is just one example. and the reason a digital record is the better way to go.

I don't know how to post a photo on this site so all I can do is provide a link........

COVID-19 vaccination card :: WRAL.com

:1rotfl: Let's remember that this is still TOTV.

So, do people walk around with "digital proof" they had the polio vaccine, or pertussis??? The following from the CDC lists diseases with an available vaccine. Together these illnesses have killed hundreds of millions yet they are not "mandated" and no one has suggested we carry "digital proof" of any. In the scheme of things, as pandemics go, COVID is a minor player. It is the "flavor of the month", what amazes me is the reaction to COVID is so much different than avian flu, or SARS or MERS or swine flu. It has been a polarizing force, given birth to a new religion (the holy mask), changed social interactions, changed education and the workplace. Now there are those that would sacrifice our rights and freedoms for what they perceiveas a little safety, enforced by the government, and them cram their ideas down everyone else's throat. Seig heil!

List of Vaccines Used in United States
Links to Clinical info about the vaccine

Adenovirus
Anthrax
AVA (BioThrax)
Cholera
Vaxchora
Diphtheria
DTaP (Daptacel, Infanrix)
Td (Tenivac, generic)
DT (-generic-)
Tdap (Adacel, Boostrix)
DTaP-IPV (Kinrix, Quadracel)
DTaP-HepB-IPV (Pediarix)
DTaP-IPV/Hib (Pentacel)
Hepatitis A
HepA (Havrix, Vaqta)
HepA-HepB (Twinrix)
Hepatitis B
HepB (Engerix-B, Recombivax HB, Heplisav-B)
DTaP-HepB-IPV (Pediarix)
HepA-HepB (Twinrix)
Haemophilus influenzae type b (Hib)
Hib (ActHIB, PedvaxHIB, Hiberix)
DTaP-IPV/Hib (Pentacel)
Human Papillomavirus (HPV)
HPV9 (Gardasil 9) (For scientific papers, the preferred abbreviation is 9vHPV)
Seasonal Influenza (Flu) only
IIV* (Afluria, Fluad, Flublok, Flucelvax, FluLaval, Fluarix, Fluvirin, Fluzone, Fluzone High-Dose, Fluzone Intradermal)
*There are various acronyms for inactivated flu vaccines – IIV3, IIV4, RIV3, RIV4 and ccIIV4.
LAIV (FluMist)
Japanese Encephalitis
JE (Ixiaro)
Measles
MMR (M-M-R II)
MMRV (ProQuad)
Meningococcal
MenACWY (Menactra, Menveo)
MenB (Bexsero, Trumenba)
Mumps
MMR (M-M-R II)
MMRV (ProQuad)
Pertussis
DTaP (Daptacel, Infanrix)
Tdap (Adacel, Boostrix)
DTaP-IPV (Kinrix, Quadracel)
DTaP-HepB-IPV (Pediarix)
DTaP-IPV/Hib (Pentacel)
Pneumococcal
PCV13 (Prevnar13)
PPSV23 (Pneumovax 23)
Polio
Polio (Ipol)
DTaP-IPV (Kinrix, Quadracel)
DTaP-HepB-IPV (Pediarix)
DTaP-IPV/Hib (Pentacel)
Rabies
Rabies (Imovax Rabies, RabAvert)
Rotavirus
RV1 (Rotarix)
RV5 (RotaTeq)
Rubella
MMR (M-M-R II)
MMRV (ProQuad)
Shingles
RZV (Shingrix)
Smallpox
Vaccinia (ACAM2000):
Tetanus
DTaP (Daptacel, Infanrix)
Td (Tenivac, generic)
DT (-generic-)
Tdap (Adacel, Boostrix)
DTaP-IPV (Kinrix, Quadracel)
DTaP-HepB-IPV (Pediarix)
DTaP-IPV/Hib (Pentacel)
Tuberculosis
Typhoid Fever
Typhoid Oral (Vivotif)
Typhoid Polysaccharide (Typhim Vi)
Varicella
VAR (Varivax)
MMRV (ProQuad):
Yellow Fever
YF (YF-Vax)

Stores Requiring Masks????
 

BS. Of all the stores REQUIRING masks, how many people NOT wearing a mask have you seen thrown out of the store, arrested, shot, etc???

The Next digital Tracking device.
 

You have to ask yourself. Do you really trust your government that much that they could implant a digital chip in you and they won't abuse it? For those that want to mandate a vaccine, are they willing to personally go to the families of people that had reactions to the vaccine and died to comfort them? Oh sorry but it was for the greater good? Talk about selfish. What if your child dies, or grandchild? This is still a free country and this sounds more about controlling people than combating a virus.

Ok just because you got the vaccine you can still get covid... congressman in Ma got it after second dose of vaccine. Although they say lesser serious reaction you still quarrentine 10 days. I feel we will never be “back to normal” this is with us forever as is the flu and other viruses. Hopefully if mose are vaccinated it will slow the progression of spread and have heard immunity

He must have been in the 5% that did not gain immunity from 2 doses. For the other 95%, you CAN'T get it if you are vaccinated.

Or, we just go on, living life normally, with the knowledge that there is yet another among hundreds, of deadly diseases out there, none of which has triggered such an overkill reaction.

:bigbow: Well said. As far as "more intelligent conversations on this site", don't hold your breath.

Well said. OP sounds very Orwellian to me. I can't believe someone would even say "so what if you have allergies, isn't that what epi pens are for"? OMG the lack of knowledge.

You are absolutely correct. Sadly the Covid virus has been used as a tool by both politicians and the media.

Maybe where you work they are extra careful, but no doubt, if fraud could hapoen- it will.

Some facts from MIT
 

First off this is the link to MIT.
Will you have to carry a vaccine passport on your phone? | MIT Technology Review

There's a lot more to the article but here is the point you should be aware of. Immunization doesn’t mean safety
While several vaccines appear highly effective at preventing symptoms of covid-19, we don’t know whether they stop people from catching and spreading the virus asymptomatically. Trials of the Oxford-AstraZeneca vaccine suggested it may limit transmission from asymptomatic carriers, but Pfizer and Moderna’s trials didn’t regularly test participants for the virus if they didn’t have symptoms.

More data is needed to prove conclusively that vaccination prevents you from giving covid-19 to other people, and how long immunity lasts. It’s also important to remember that what’s true for one vaccine may not be true for another.

Without these crucial pieces of information, vaccination credentials only prove that you received a vaccine on a particular date—not that you do not have and cannot catch the disease. In the meantime, a negative covid test remains the best evidence that you’re not contagious. And since tests are far from perfect, you should still follow public health guidance about limiting spread whenever you can.

I dont think most people are in agreement with the 2nd half of your post...or at least in the way it was said.
The first half...you are right- you may not have to get the shot...your bod-your choice....you may just be excluded from things....your choice.

There is still so much that they don't know about the virus and about the vaccine. I think people have to weigh the information and decide for themselves what they feel is appropriate and the self righteous need to mind their own business because it is just possible that they may be wrong.

Just as a very small example...a restaurant owner who has finally got things up and running postcovid, is now serving...do you really think they are going to want patrons that have not had their vaccinated.
I know, everyone is gonna to yell... "there are rules" etc,etc...but let's face these businesses will do what they want. There may be signs that won't allow you
.....js

Mean....

They have been doing it for months

Total BS!:ohdear:

Seriously???? I pointed out, well let's call it somewhat less than logical or educated conclusion, lest you consider it mean.

OK, I'll give a chance at payback. I'm afraid to eat chocolate cake because 15 years ago my cousin's landscaper's babysitter's hair dresser's mother had an allergic reaction to shellfish.:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

Not sure where you've been or why you apparently don't have google, but there are numerous articles about it, many of which were shared in a thread a couple of weeks ago.
Here is one to get you started, if you still struggle with google, I'm sure a neighbor could help you out.
Pfizer vaccine worries Norway as 29 elderly people die after taking shot | Business Standard News

More information regarding what may be in our future for a Covid Vaccination "Passport".

COVID-19 vaccine card is not an immunity passport. Here's the difference - CNET

Yes, I believe the business owner will want all paying customers regardless of race, religion, or vaccination status. If they don’t, if they chose to discriminate, then they won’t get my business either.

I think everyone here knows the OP agenda. Endless threads, every day about the same thing. OP has 23 posts IN THIS THREAD (so far, the day is young). I truly hope she gets her 2nd vax soon and is able to step away from the keyboard for a while.
In the meantime, I can tell you that the ONLY poster on this board that I give any credibility in this discussion (and many others) is Golfing Eagle.

Are you aware that epi-pens are to reverse an anaphylactic reaction? Do you know what an anaphylactic reaction is?

I am certainly not alone in wanting a safer world around us and to be able to return to a normal existence. Here is another excerpt from the same article which supports my POV.......

"Some of the terms being thrown around are confusing, like “vaccine passport.” In some scenarios, your records might function like an actual passport—think of arriving at the airport in a new country, pulling out your smartphone, and scanning a digital record of your vaccination or negative test. But those records could also act like a work authorization at your job, or a pass to get into restaurants, bars, and shopping malls."

Great idea! How about a bar code right on everyone's forehead so that it is visible to anyone that might question?

What about the part that said this:

No one solution will work for everybody

Even if these tools are built, blocking people from ordinary activities on the basis of their vaccination status brings up serious ethical and legal considerations. Screening people by vaccination status is hard when no country has made vaccination mandatory so far, and there are many cases in which people who might otherwise be eligible (for example, pregnant women or those who suffer from serious allergies) are discouraged from receiving the vaccine while more data is gathered.

Amen