Interesting. I have not seen one store with a sign that said that any of their staff were vaccinated against the FLU or any disease. NOT even in all those "other" countries I have lived in or traveled to.

This is not about vaccinations. You will never be able to dictate that the world keep you safe. If you cruise, you will have many people working on that ship that are from other countries with different standards. You will also have people who may have been vaccinated and capable of carrying the virus. You may also have people that were legally exempt from vaccination, but the ADA will not allow that they be excluded. There have always been environmental risks. There will always be risks to living. You take one every time you get in your car.

My advice is that you always look to your own life goals. Do you prioritize quantity or quality. You will die. You cannot control the world. Make your decisions based on how they effect you.

Mandated and documented is a hilarious and foolish idea. First off, we do not yet know how long this vaccine lasts as to the effectiveness. I've been told by medical professionals that they believe it will be about like the flu shot and only last a "season." I can see it now, "mam, I am going to have to issue you a citation as your shot has expired."
Some folks have way too much time on their hands, but not enough time or intelligence to reason something out. Our gov is already out of control and needs to be reigned back.
Sorry, but if you are too afraid of others to leave your home, then stay home...period.

Or tattoo at least with tattoos they won’t have ability to monitor or spy.

Cruises are way done the list of priorities, it personal choice, cruise ship are virus nursery anyway.

Amazing how easily we give up our liberty. Started with 9/11 and has stopped

That is an idealistic hope because you would need a bubble around the US. And a bubble around a ship cruise. And a bubble around all the cruisers as they went ashore. What would be the purpose of a cruise if you did NOT mingle with the locals? Maybe you could go to Antarctica without any stops and just look out at the glaciers? As long as the whole world is NOT vaccinated, when you travel, the risk would be high that you encounter some CV-positive people. Right now the medical experts are PREDICTING (?) that getting vaccinated completely protects you from CV. That can only be validated by time passing after most people in the US have been vaccinated and we have herd immunity. So to me, digital identification does not seem to matter much. There are other variables and some not yet known!

I’d much rather see you restricted out of your own fear. However, that being said, states probably could get away with mandating a vaccine shot. Personally, I have no intention of getting the vaccine shot until enough time has gone by that I feel confident in its level of efficacy and that there are no long term side effects. Nothing so far has proven to be effective in slowing the spread of this virus, not masks, not social distancing...nothing, and I am not convinced this vaccine will either. Infections continues to rise regardless, yet mortality rates continue to decline, suggesting to me herd immunity may be the reason. Thanks, but I’ll accept the risk and forgo the shot.

Sounds like you are wishing for "Mark of the beast". I wish for a free America.

Service workers have gone to work WEARING MASKS, keeping their distance as much as feasible and washing their hands more than ever before. This is NOT living a normal life if you ask me. Also, I do not believe for one moment that most people have not feared going to work and dealing with the general public. An individual would have to be very uninformed to do that.

What? You can not be serious. Who in their right mind would WANT to get Covid so they help our population reach herd immunity naturally? Maybe that quack Dr. Scott Altas? Shaking my head.

Anti-trackers = anti-vaxxers.

No..you see the goal here is to get everyone vaccinated so the world can open up again...not so they can continue to sit home. So what is best for all....not just you..is to get vaccinated and get out there and live again without worry. Its not a hard concept...kind of like the store, no mask..no entry.....you don't like it. Go elsewhere

But it most certainly is your choice. It is your choice not to partake in activities and all sorts of other daily life events that can help to spread the virus. Folks that are vaccinated will not spread the virus and therefore should be able to partake in all activities life has to offer.

I see I have hurt some feelings here and so sorry you do not see it my way. But.....that is the way it is. My wishes may not come to fruition so there is that, if that makes you feel any better.

Over and out. I'm done with this conversation.

Oh my, the sky is falling!

Maybe what this country NEEDS is for more to get infected and either perish or survive. Is living life in fear, really LIVING? Just a thought, not wishing for an apocalypse.

It is my understanding that the CDC (ie THE FEDERAL GOVT) knows who is getting vaccinated. Didn't we have to give our SSN when we registered online? If so, we will not be using the little card they gave us (which is easily forged) to prove we got our shots.

kathy

Not at all. No matter how many times you assert this, being against trackers and for privacy and freedom has NOTHING TO DO with being anti-vax!

(And with that, the ignore list becomes one larger)

I had read this whole thread, and until you made that statement, I thought you were ok, just a little misguided. I was wrong- why would you make such a statement? I know plenty of people, including myself that are getting the vaccine, very pro vaccine - I am married to a nurse who is already vaccinated. HOWEVER, I value my personal privacy and liberty too. I am totally anti tracking - have you heard of HIPA? Have you heard of the right to privacy? I believe that with the correct education and enough time, we can get people to take the vaccine to reach herd immunity. We don't need tracking.

You no nothing of Constitutional rights.
I hope you are kidding, because no one can be that ignorant of our rights.

Vaccines unnecessary for the natually immune!
 

Myself, my family, my neighbors, and millions of others have already had COVID and are naturally immune.

Vaccines train our immune systems to create proteins that fight disease, known as ‘antibodies’, just as would happen when we are exposed to a disease . Even people without symptoms develop an immune response. - WHO (World Health Organization)

People with underlying health conditions that weaken their immune systems (such as cancer or HIV) or who have severe allergies to some vaccine components may not be able to get vaccinated - WHO (World Health Organization)

Vaccines can cause anaphylaxis and other dangerous life-threatening side effects. - NIH (National Institute of Health)

Example: The United States stopped giving mandatory smallpox vaccinations 30 years ago. Some people die from it; and others have serious reactions, some permanent. Scientists say it's the most dangerous vaccine known to man. - CBS News, 60 Minutes

These new COVID vaccines were rushed into use with extremely short trial periods. According to the IFPMA, the development of novel vaccines is a long endeavor. It takes usually between 10 to 15 years to develop a novel vaccine, as well as establishing its quality, safety and efficacy. - International Federation of Pharmaceutical Manufacturers & Associations

Thus, for those who have had COVID, getting vaccinated is not only pointless but potentially dangerous. - David H. Dallas, RN-ASN, EMT-P, retired

There is a difference between a government mandate and a mandate or rule by a private company or corporation. if you are using, as a customer, a particular business, then you need to follow their rules.

Voting is MADE more reliable with paper backup. On average, paper should be a more SECURE ID than digital. Digital is designed to be more convenient - it is, likely, less secure.

Oh how we need a “misinformation “ or “not commonly accepted medical opinion” or “ignorant and likely to get you killed” tag.

Scientists are STILL researching how "COMPLETE" the protection is to a vaccinated person. You could possibly (?) get it again and you might (?) be able to spread it. Only time and research can tell for sure and the virus is mutating.

It could also be profitable because socially conscious people may patronize those businesses.

Look this up
Merck Stops Developing Both Of Its COVID-19 Vaccine Candidates

Digital forgeries easy to get.
 

Fraudsters will always be able to defeat any form of proof whether it is digital or paper. It doesn't even need to be a forgery. Just simple identity theft will allow the criminal to use the victims "Proof of Vaccination".

See my other response about vaccines not necessary for the already immune. I am not an anti-vaxxer and routinely get flu shots. However, I would think twice about this new vaccine that was rushed to market. COVID is just a nuisance for the majority of us that are healthy and have no pre-existing health issues. The FDA has approved many drugs that were later found to have serious side effects (anyone remember thalidomide babies?). I advise using some common sense, something I have seen little of in regard to COVID!

No medical expert has said ANYTHING about these vaccines being "once in a lifetime". They have said that maybe we will be lucky to get a year out of it.

I am specifically going to not reply directly to anyone here, but write a post based on reading the whole thread. Overall a decent discussion, but there were a few HUGE falsehoods too, one that was scarey in how off base it was. Please read my whole post before you comment. Let me preface by saying I am still working and own 2 houses in TV. I am 57 and have an Engineering degree and an MBA and my wife, who agrees with everything I am going to write is a nurse with 35 years of experience and now is a district nurse in a school system. We are both conservatives. My wife has been vacinated with the Pfizer vaccine, my CNA daughter with the Moderna, as well as my daughter in law who is a Dental assistant. I will get vaccinated as soon as I can.
I have read everything on the vaccines INCLUDING the entire scientific reports on the Moderna and Pfizer phase 1/2 and 3 studies. I will read the J&J when it is available. What's more important is I UNDERSTAND THE STATISTICS AND WHAT THEY MEAN. I have taught basic statistics at the college level in fact as an adjunct professor.

1. This virus is a real pain in the butt. For the VAST majority of people, it is no big deal(I have MANY employees that have had it, for most it was a headache or being tired a few days). HOWEVER, for some, especially the old, it kills them. It also does kill a small number of people you would not expect it to seamingly at random. For the most part it really does not hurt kids. Seriously, it is way less deadly to those under 25 than the Flu. People that are worried about their kids or grandkids should stop - worry about your elderly relatives in The Villages! I would rather get the vaccine than play russian roulette with my life.
2. These vaccines are effective and SAFE. The sample sizes in this study are HUGE. The p values are such that application of these statistics to conclusions about the population is basically a certainty. There are some side effects that pass quickly. The one side effect that happens in people with a history of alergic reactions can be treated with an Epi pen. NOBODY HAS DIED FROM THE VACCINE in the trials. Statistically, based on the trial data, it would be more likely that you have a car accident while being struck by lightning and having a heart attack all at the same time than dying from this vaccine.
3. Long term side effects- ok, seriously? What crazyperson have you been listening to that you got the video from your consiracy theory loving cousin in Facebook personal messenger? Come on, we all are getting this crazy crap. So here is the reality - there are hundreds of vaccines and ZERO have ever had side effects more than a few weeks out. That is why they insist the trials run for at least 2 months. Now, maybe you make the case that the new mRNA vaccines are new technology, so we are not sure. OK, then take the J&J vaccine when it is approved next month - that is OLD PROVEN TECHNOLOGY. On top of that, you do realize this is a few micrograms of material that can't replicate right? You should read the boxes you are eating your food out of and by WAY more worried about all the chemicals in that than in these vaccines.
4. Lots of people dying from the vaccine - please refer to number 2 above, but let me say that like 8000 people die every day in the USA, mostly the elderly but not exclusively. The chances of a few of those having had the vaccine in the past few days is just about certain since we are giving 1.3 million doses a day. EVERY ONE OF THESE is being publicized in the media, and they are all being investigated by the CDC. NONE have been found to be caused by the vaccine, and they won't be. This notion is as crazy as people who think vaccines cause Autism because some crazy actress said it did.
5. Masks and shutdowns. ok, so have you noticed that the places that have the toughest mask mandates and lockdowns have had the biggest spikes???? I can read a graph, Masks do zero. Lockdowns are effective, IF they are like the Chinese and you actually lock everyone down, but we don't do that and can't, so the virus keeps spreading. It makes our rulers feel good, but just hurts small business.
6. Tracking - here we get to it. We have laws in this country- a right to privacy, HIPAA, ADA that will prevent this. Also, I believe the vast majority including most of us who will be getting vacinated don't think it is good. It is tyranny and fascism. It is mainly being pushed by the "My body, my choice" crowd, but I guess this is somehow different when it actually IS my body? I think not. The difference between this and requiring vaccinations in schools to me comes down to this - if you don't want to get vaccinated, that is up to you, if you don't want to vaccinate your kids, that is hurting another human being- have you seen the results of getting polio? Not vaccinating your kids with proven vaccines that have been around for decades and been proven safe is just wrong. Sorry. Even that is pushing the line to some extent, but the line IS a grey one, we all know that.
7. Herd immunity- yes, this is important. Even the 20 and 30 somethings should get vacinnated so we reach herd immunity - the main reason is these annoying variants. If you have lots of people with Covid, lots of chances for variants, if not, less chances. Simple as that. The quicker we get to herd immunity, the better.

Here is my bottom line- If you have had Covid-19 with minor symptoms, I believe you should wait until at least the summer to get vaccinated - you have the antibodies and even if you get it again, probably won't be bad. Let others get vacinnated first. If you have not and are over 50, I think you are crazy not to get vaccinated unless you have serious allergic reactions to things. If you have concerns, get the J&J vaccine that should be available in March. If you don't, it's like playing Russian roulette, sorry, it is if you don't get vaccinated. ALL 3 vaccines have had ZERO people end up in the hospital with Covid after being vaccinated, it makes it non deadly. I do understand the people who are 30 that work for me saying they don't need it, but even most of them are going to get it after the older people do, so we can reach herd immunity and maybe we can get rid of it completely - we will see.

A lot of research says those immunity anti-bodies are not that long lasting, and start to reduce after months, not years.
Just what I have read in several reports.

Smallpox is making a comeback in some 3rd world countries and it could also be in the anti-vaxxers in the US.

You may be in error. I was told by my doctor that immunity from this virus only lasts about three months. I don't care if you get the shot or not, but I hope you are not basing your decision on false hopes.

This post is the 1st time that I have heard about tragic reactions and deaths from the vaccine. And I watch a lot of news on TV. It is CV that IS causing reactions, long haul symptoms, and deaths. Be real about this!

Nope, you do not have to give your SSN when you register on line.

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Ive been vaccinated but have you really considered all aspects of tracking citizens movements?

We are not supposed to direct comments directly to another person. Your term "anti-laxer" is very offensive. There are many who do not want this vaccine or any other for many reasons. I believe this vaccine mandate would be unconstitutional. Plus this entire pandemic was proven to be over exaggerated by numbers of infected and number of deaths. How often have we heard about number of survivors?

We don’t even know yet if the vaccine works. Collecting data will take several years

Could not have said it better! Thank you.

Anybody that has cell phone is tracked and spied on. Social media and web site are tracking and spying on you. Plus selling you’re private information, how do you think CEO become billionaires by offer free site? FB, shy-ter, google, ( who owns utube now), -sswhoo, and dozens more. You don’t get something for nothing in cyberspace.

The concept of Facebook is good. The prime owner is a problem.