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Chi-Town 02-25-2018 04:53 PM

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Originally Posted by GoodLife (Post 1518329)
Not really, you can fire bullets just as fast with a Glock pistol as you can with an AR 15

Here's Jerry Miculek firing 60 bullets in 5 seconds using 2 Glock 17s

glock vs ar 15 rapid fire - Bing video

Like Drew Peterson said "Nothing says I love you like a Glock."

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Miles42 02-25-2018 04:58 PM

no law will prevent further violence.Laws are guide lines for honest people. They never prevent crime

Kenswing 02-25-2018 04:58 PM

Why is it that some people want to blame everything/everyone except the shooter?

GoodLife 02-25-2018 06:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Chi-Town (Post 1518335)
Like Drew Peterson said "Nothing says I love you like a Glock."

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Not sure what that comment means but I hope you understand that ANY semi automatic rifle, shotgun or handgun can fire bullets just as fast as an AR 15.

If somehow the AR 15 was banned, and all 16 million of them were confiscated, the crazies would just switch to another platform.

Here is a completely legal gun that is scarier than the AR 15

Fostech Origin 12 Shotgun

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Load the 30 round magazine with 000 Buckshot shells and you can mow down a crowd very fast

Steve9930 02-25-2018 07:09 PM

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Originally Posted by GoodLife (Post 1518372)
Not sure what that comment means but I hope you understand that ANY semi automatic rifle, shotgun or handgun can fire bullets just as fast as an AR 15.

If somehow the AR 15 was banned, and all 16 million of them were confiscated, the crazies would just switch to another platform.

Here is a completely legal gun that is scarier than the AR 15

Fostech Origin 12 Shotgun

Attachment 74151

Load the 30 round magazine with 000 Buckshot shells and you can mow down a crowd very fast

You will never confiscate 16 million AR-15's. They will go under ground. Secondly, you can build one of these rifles in the privacy of your home. There are people now manufacturing what are called Ghost Guns. You can buy the equipment at a reasonable cost over the internet. The magazines can be 3D printed. I also believe that a confiscation would be shot down because of the 2nd Amendment. I can imagine AR-15's being made a class 3 weapon.

GoodLife 02-25-2018 07:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Steve9930 (Post 1518377)
You will never confiscate 16 million AR-15's. They will go under ground. Secondly, you can build one of these rifles in the privacy of your home. There are people now manufacturing what are called Ghost Guns. You can buy the equipment at a reasonable cost over the internet. The magazines can be 3D printed. I also believe that a confiscation would be shot down because of the 2nd Amendment. I can imagine AR-15's being made a class 3 weapon.

Totally agree. Feel good gun ban laws are useless. Horse has left the barn. Harden vulnerable targets like schools, and demand that law enforcement agencies actually enforce laws on the books.

Broward County Sheriff Israel will soon be spending more time with his family.

Gov. Rick Scott has ordered an investigation into response to Florida shooting

Florida Speaker of the House Richard Corcoran and dozens of lawmakers have called on Scott to suspend Israel for "incompetence and dereliction of duty."

Gov. Rick Scott has ordered an investigation into response to Florida shooting

ColdNoMore 02-25-2018 07:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Villagesperson (Post 1518203)
I have no idea if your accusations are true or not, and suspect that you do not either.

I just know that never saw activist kids being accused of such things as...

.....Being paid actors
.....Being paid pawns of a rich liberal
.....Being children of FBI agents who are "running cover for them", a continuing attack on law enforcement
.....Being uninformed and not "smart" enough to carry this fight.

All of these things have been part of a series of conspiracy theories put out there by the normal extreme right wing conspiracy groups and websites.

Pretty darn sad, in my opinion, that we would attack these kids like this without so much as one single item showing or allowing for a basis to make these charges.

We have elected officials and relatives tweeting and forwarding this stuff all over the place.

I always felt it was a good thing when young people spoke up and said what was on their mind.

For the record....I do not own a gun, and actually have no strong opinions one way or another because it is ALL politics now and has nothing to do with the safety of children or anyone else.

Nailed it! :bigbow:


It's pretty sad to think that there are those who actually believe that high school kids aren't smart or brave enough, to stand up to make their voices heard...and are only doing it because they're being manipulated by supposed 'adults.' :oops:


In my opinion, the students are showing much more 'maturity'...than the adults spreading these false rumors. :ohdear:

Kenswing 02-25-2018 08:28 PM

Those kids will be exploited for political gain whether they are mature or not. Whether they are willing or not.

Polar Bear 02-25-2018 08:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Villagesperson (Post 1518203)
...it is ALL politics now and has nothing to do with the safety of children or anyone else.

I know our politicians and many others are far from saints, but “ALL politics”?!?

What a cynical attitude.

Nucky 02-25-2018 11:22 PM

I don't remember if you recall this name, Joe Clark, Principal of East Side High School in Paterson N.J. A movie was made about his experience trying to get an inner city school under control in the 80's. The movie was called Lean On Me. I knew this man when he was a guidance counselor before he was promoted to Principal. He truly had his staff and children's best interest at heart. He was one tough SOB.

A teacher was raped in the stairwell, drug dealers roamed the hallways and this was truly a case where the inmates took over the asylum. All the press and attention did change this man and not for the better but the important thing was he was trying to change the culture and was met with resistance at every turn. He chained the doors locked and his own crew of goons walked the hallway with Baseball Bats and he spoke thru a Bullhorn. The kids who attended that school learned about respect for the first time in their lives at High School age.

The summer that they tapped the movie Lean On Me was memorable. Hollywood types actually came in the school and spread garbage and graffiti where they were filming and I remember how hot it was in that school and Mr. Clark was on the film's staff as an advisor to see that the film was realistically filmed. I wonder what would have happened if his culture was allowed to thrive and spread to other schools. After a short time, you felt safe in that school and he was in the hallway with his Bat and Bullhorn at each class change. Some of the children had no one but him to care for them. They were not properly cared for at home including not being fed on a regular basis. I wonder what his school is like now?

We had the Copy Machine, Mimeograph, Spirit Duplicator contract with the district and were friendly with most of the teachers. They hated him in the beginning but most loved him in the end, he was one tough man and took no garbage from anyone. I wonder how he would handle this gun situation?

I'm not saying he never used it but I don't think he ever smacked anyone with the bat, a very unconventional man who once locked the front door to keep the Board of Education Officials from HIS School. I think he was on to something.

Taltarzac725 02-26-2018 07:52 AM

Neat story Nucky. Lean on Me (film - Wikipedia)

One of my various sister-in-laws or ex sister-in-laws experienced the events described in this movie. Remember the Titans - Wikipedia

DeanFL 02-26-2018 09:40 AM

Just read this... I so DO NOT agree with this knee-jerk opinion. My heart goes out to all students/people affected by this horrendous event. BUT...why spread the grief to others who would be impacted in our tourism economy??? Makes no sense to me.

PARKLAND SCHOOL SHOOTING SURVIVOR ASKS TOURISTS TO BOYCOTT FLORIDA UNTIL GUN REFORM PASSES

PARKLAND, Fla. - David Hogg, a survivor of the Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School shooting in Parkland, Florida, is now calling for tourists to boycott Florida during spring break to raise awareness for gun control.

“Let’s make a deal DO NOT come to Florida for spring break unless gun legislation is passed,” Hogg tweeted to more than 280,000 followers. “These politions [sic] won’t listen to us so maybe the’ll listen to the billion dollar tourism industry in FL."

According to WTVJ, Hogg said in a video that tourists shouldn’t come to Florida for spring break or summer vacations, saying, “How can you expect people from across the nation and the world to come to South Florida if we can’t guarantee their safety because of the inaction of these politicians? I understand there will be economic ramifications from this, but that is only if these politicians refuse to take quick and swift action to resolve these gun issues.”
Hogg also suggested that tourists instead go to Puerto Rico, tweeting, “It’s a beautiful place with amazing people. They could really use the economic support that the government has failed to provide.”

Steve9930 02-26-2018 10:05 AM

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Originally Posted by DeanFL (Post 1518529)
Just read this... I so DO NOT agree with this knee-jerk opinion. My heart goes out to all students/people affected by this horrendous event. BUT...why spread the grief to others who would be impacted in our tourism economy??? Makes no sense to me.

PARKLAND SCHOOL SHOOTING SURVIVOR ASKS TOURISTS TO BOYCOTT FLORIDA UNTIL GUN REFORM PASSES

PARKLAND, Fla. - David Hogg, a survivor of the Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School shooting in Parkland, Florida, is now calling for tourists to boycott Florida during spring break to raise awareness for gun control.

“Let’s make a deal DO NOT come to Florida for spring break unless gun legislation is passed,” Hogg tweeted to more than 280,000 followers. “These politions [sic] won’t listen to us so maybe the’ll listen to the billion dollar tourism industry in FL."

According to WTVJ, Hogg said in a video that tourists shouldn’t come to Florida for spring break or summer vacations, saying, “How can you expect people from across the nation and the world to come to South Florida if we can’t guarantee their safety because of the inaction of these politicians? I understand there will be economic ramifications from this, but that is only if these politicians refuse to take quick and swift action to resolve these gun issues.”
Hogg also suggested that tourists instead go to Puerto Rico, tweeting, “It’s a beautiful place with amazing people. They could really use the economic support that the government has failed to provide.”

This what I meant when I said:"legislation driven by emotion never ends up solving anything". There's a problem and creating another problem is not the answer. Good intentions can cause negative reactions.

Taltarzac725 02-26-2018 10:06 AM

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Originally Posted by DeanFL (Post 1518529)
Just read this... I so DO NOT agree with this knee-jerk opinion. My heart goes out to all students/people affected by this horrendous event. BUT...why spread the grief to others who would be impacted in our tourism economy??? Makes no sense to me.

PARKLAND SCHOOL SHOOTING SURVIVOR ASKS TOURISTS TO BOYCOTT FLORIDA UNTIL GUN REFORM PASSES

PARKLAND, Fla. - David Hogg, a survivor of the Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School shooting in Parkland, Florida, is now calling for tourists to boycott Florida during spring break to raise awareness for gun control.

“Let’s make a deal DO NOT come to Florida for spring break unless gun legislation is passed,” Hogg tweeted to more than 280,000 followers. “These politions [sic] won’t listen to us so maybe the’ll listen to the billion dollar tourism industry in FL."

According to WTVJ, Hogg said in a video that tourists shouldn’t come to Florida for spring break or summer vacations, saying, “How can you expect people from across the nation and the world to come to South Florida if we can’t guarantee their safety because of the inaction of these politicians? I understand there will be economic ramifications from this, but that is only if these politicians refuse to take quick and swift action to resolve these gun issues.”
Hogg also suggested that tourists instead go to Puerto Rico, tweeting, “It’s a beautiful place with amazing people. They could really use the economic support that the government has failed to provide.”

That is not going to work. Doubt if many people take up this Spring Break boycott.

I do feel for these kids though and the others affected by this horrible experience for all involved.

Abby10 02-26-2018 10:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Steve9930 (Post 1518541)
This what I meant when I said:"legislation driven by emotion never ends up solving anything". There's a problem and creating another problem is not the answer. Good intentions can cause negative reactions.

Amen to all you say here!


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