YES it is. And true. I have no guns. No one in our family has guns, but I do believe in the right to own them. I might change my mind if this place is invaded by bad people with guns. Right now only good ones have guns.

Red is right as usual. (And by the way she has a gun) This was a discussion of the hundreds of people in families who must face a future living with the murder of their loved one. There are no words to console them. No words.

You can easily make a silencer using a common automotive engine oil filter.

That's why I used the term "pretty much" illegal. As you point out, they are extremely difficult and expensive to obtain.

However, the latest news is that he had an AR-15 or several AR-15s that had been converted from semi to fully auto. That makes a lot more sense.

The only solution to this problem is, as you point out, changing society or changing our culture.

And drunk drivers still commit the crime. Sometimes several times. The Brady Law did nothing to curb gun violence. Gun violence is a sickness of our current society. The gentleman is right lets quit arguing about Gun Laws that do not work and lets sit and comfort our fellow citizens.

The state of Nevada cannot dictate Automatic Weapon Ownership. Its a class 3 weapon highly regulated by the ATF.

It's not so easy to convert semi-autos to full auto. Besides, it's already illegal to do so. Another example of how LAWS DON'T PREVENT CRIMES! We have a law that makes it illegal to convert a semi-auto to a full auto and this guy broke the law.

Are you suggesting that all semi-automatic guns be banned? Because that would mean about 80% of all guns that exist today.

There is no gun show loophole. It's a myth perpetrated by the left.

Automatic weapons are banned in all states by federal law. Nevada cannot supersede federal law.

Turns out he lived in Sun City Mesquite. I wonder if his neighbors noticed him toting large boxes or cases into and out of his house. Last I read he had 19 rifles in his hotel room. More guns have been found in his house.

Sorry, they are not technically banned, but they are heavily regulated and extremely expensive to obtain. They are for all intents and purposes banned.

I would not believe anything about converting to automatic until the investigation releases it. Those parts are still class 3. And extremely expensive. You can buy a silencer also but that also is class 3. Anything class 3 is highly regulated. You can buy the auto bolt but that does not make it auto. The bolt is also a class 3 device and regulated. Here's something no one will like to here. The age of computer manufacturing is now affordable and can be done in your home. You also do not need to be a mechanical engineer to produce your own weapon. For a few thousand dollars I can make an assault rifle semi-auto or fully auto all with equipment purchased over the internet. With some steal stock and a little prepackaged software and the milling equipment it can be done relatively easily. So how do you legislate that from happening. Its obviously this guy was intent on killing lots of people. We all have opinions on this some based on facts and some on falsie. Today we are upset about what happened in Las Vegas but we ignore the fact that we as a society do not put much value on life. We let the killing fields of Chicago go on and on and we kill millions of unborn children for our personal convenience. Until we change that attitude you can expect this to continue no matter what laws are passed.

The purpose of laws is to define what is legal and not legal and to punish those convicted of breaking them. Laws do not prevent crimes if people are bent on committing them and are willing to risk being prosecuted and punished.

In the case of the Las Vegas shooter, it appears that he was planning on taking his life so he had nothing to lose. No law was going to stop him. In all probability, the guns he had were illegal or made illegal through an illegal process. None of the laws that he broke stopped this crime from happening.

Smoking? Illegal. Cocaine? Illegal. Semi-automatic weapons? No problem.

Add this to the list of selective enforcement issues:

Sneaking into the country without proper documentation or processing? Illegal.

Do you understand the difference between a fully automatic gun and a semi-automatic gun?

Almost all guns being carried today are basically semi-automatic. What that means is that each time you pull the trigger a bullet is fired. You don't have to pull a bolt or recock it or take any other action. Although they're not technically in the category, revolvers are basically semi-automatic.

Are you calling for the banning of all guns? You do know that people who want guns would still get them even if they were all banned.

And I would guess that smoking and cocaine kill more people than semi-automatic guns.

My heartfelt condolences to all who lost a loved one in Las Vegas. And pride in all those who, without regard for their own life, rushed to aid their fellow Americans without regard to their color or religious belief. Sort of makes the NFL player "protest" look like a temper tantrum.

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There are hints that these were two machine guns mounted on tripods. How the hell would be get a hold of these and get them into a hotel room?

If I die from cigarettes and cocaine, clearly that's my fault. But if I'm murdered by someone with a gun, whose fault is that?. Non smokers wanted to be safe from the effects of secondhand smoke, I want to be safe from people with guns. I want my grandchildren to be safe at school. Most of the animals are already dead or on the brink of extinction anyway, what're you gonna hunt? Do you realize how this looks to the rest of the civilized world?

Cigarettes and cocaine have never saved anyone's life. Guns have.

If it's anything like The Villages, most people have a garage so the neighbors wouldn't have seen anything.

How do guns save lives? (Besides war)

There are many incidents every year where a gun is used in self-defense. There are also incidents that don't get reported where a gun is drawn in defense of a threat and the threat goes away.

The purpose of a handgun is self-defense and the defense of those around the gun holder.

Its amazing how someone breaks the law and all the misinformed want to make the law abiding take the blame. The man had an illegal gun. One that is highly regulated and controlled. Or he used modern technology to modify a weapon to make it illegal. This incident proves beyond a shadow of a doubt Laws will not work to solve this problem. Once everyone realizes that fact we can then move to solve the problem. Freedom comes with risk. Sometimes some people will abuse those freedoms.

Hints? Why not wait until real facts are known and released?

I agree. The only fact is it was automatic fire. Now I'd like to know how he was able to obtain the weapon or weapons. You just can't go down to the local gun shop and buy a fully automatic firearm.

The original post of this massacre should not be a stage for political "what ifs"; 59+ families are never going to be with a member of their family again and 500+ families have a member of their family with a long road of mental and physical recovery ahead of them.

Being a retired LEO, I know what both groups of families have ahead of them; pray for the Police Officers, pray for the EMT's, pray for the hospital staffs, pray for the survivors and most of all, pray for the victims and their families. :pray:

I agree. Concert goers, movie goers, school children, college students, shoppers, people just living their lives . . . how do we as a society get this to end?

I believe the first step in figuring out how to stop this type of horrific occurrence, is trying to determine the motivation of this person.

Hopefully, something will be found...on why he did it.

There's no question that he had a reason (regardless of how warped or unjustified)...but that's no guarantee that we will ever know for sure.

Then the hard part comes when we, as a society, come together and agree...on what steps to take to try and minimize the chances of it occurring again. :(

He may not have had any motive other than to kill as many people as possible. Some people are just extremely warped. Maybe his autopsy will reveal something or his communications? FBI investigates Reno house owned by shooting suspect Looks like he has a home in a golf community west of Reno, Nevada. It appears he was extremely well off.

He was a multi-millionaire, a professional gambler and had many real estate holdings. His father was on the FBI most wanted list for eight years after escaping prison for bank robberies.

Stephen Paddock is an enigma and his motivation may never be uncovered. He robbed innocent people of their lives and harmed seriously other people who were enjoying a country music event.. I cannot find any reason not to loathe him.

Awful. Heartbreaking. Senseless. So many, many people suffering.

The legislation to which you refer would have prevented anyone receiving Social Security and who used an intermediary to help them with financial matters when dealing with the SS Administration from obtaining a firearm.

We always have to look into the details of bills that are passed. The name and what we are told they are are often misleading.

It's been reported on at least three different networks that he had multiple AR-15 that had not only been converted to fully automatic but also converted from .223 ammo to .308.

I agree with you that I don't usually listen to reports until all the information is in, but the fact that three different networks provided the same information that was said to come from a Nevada police representative and the fact that the information was so detailed, I tend to think that this is true.

There is " evil " in this world with no scientific evidence of its existence. This individual's mind was warped in some fashion and he was somehow motivated by something to do this most heinous act. It is likely we will never know exactly why. According to the " news " this morning he had ten suitcases in his room and a legal semi-automatic weapon ( an AK-47 ) which had been modified to be fully automatic. Presumably the long guns were broken down and brought into the room in those suitcases. It is obvious, with the brilliance associated with 20-20 hindsight, a security device at the hotels entrance through which all luggage is passed, would have detected these rifles without violating anyone's constitutional rights. Visit most of the corporate skyscrapers in New York and other major cities, and just about any Federal/State government facilities, and you will see them being used. They are also used at many public, venues and at all NFL and MLB stadiums. Should there be mandatory security at any building to which the public has access taller then ??? stories ( make it any number you want to ) ? It would be something fairly easy to enforce with building codes and while expensive, quite affordable in the scheme of things by the owners of these buildings. Even better, no ones constitutional rights are violated. Let's concentrate on the things we can do as a society to prevent a repeat of this event and also think outside the box and try to be smarter then the next " evil " person who decides to commit something similar to what this loon accomplished. Yes, it involves the expenditure of money and probably a lot of it. My thinking is that it is worth every dollar if one life is saved in the future.

Now some facts: Can you convert an AR15 to full auto? Yes. Is it legal? No. Can you do it for $50 like the network said? No. Is it easily done? Depends on your skill. It requires changing the bolt carrier which you can buy. That part alone is $100 but still does not make it full auto. However the auto sear necessary to make it full auto to drop into the lower unit does not fit into an AR15. You have to re-machine the lower unit. Also that auto sear is a class 3 device that would have to be manufactured before 1986 to be legal. Its highly regulated by ATF. So how did this jerk do it. I suspect he manufactured his own or purchased it illegally. Changing caliber is a piece of cake. You just buy a new upper assemble. That part is not regulated. The part that makes the weapon work is the lower unit. Its the regulated part of the weapon. The components inside the lower unit determine if its semi or auto fire. What this proves to me is this was planned for a long time. He was intent on killing as many people as possible. 308 vs 223 proves he wanted to be as deadly as possible. 308 is basically a 7.62 round associated which is AK47 caliber. Much more devastating then the 223. Yes it appears law enforcement has confirmed he had modified ARs into full auto. Doable but not easily. Also highly illegal. When some one wants to kill laws are not a deterrent. My questions are this: With all those weapons in the room why did not someone say something? With as deranged as this man had to be, there were no signs he was crazy? I just find that very hard to believe.

We all should be trying to think of ways to stop the next monster from doing his or her evil deeds. This man looked just like some very successful retiree but whoever could do something like this must have shown some signs of being capable of such evil actions as this. One thing. Do not hold concerts where there is an elevated perch of some kind available for some nut with military style weapons.

Where did the AK info come from? The reason I asked is as I heard the tape the first thought that came to my mind was, "That sounded like an AK on full auto". It a sound once heard you do not forget.

Genetics may have played a part in his actions. His father was on the FBI most wanted list. Personality is not always shaped by upbringing, dna plays into it as well. The criminal mind can manifest itself in many different ways.


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Yes. I recall that. That is a dark road to go down though. That genetics dictates future behavior.

I went though many of my clients files while a student lawyer at the U of MN Law School if I had their permission to do so. I was wondering what had put them in Minnesota Correctional Facility-- Stillwater. Some of them looked like basically just bad people others seemed to have made a bad choice at some point.

I had a lot of talks like this with a man whom I worked under who ran concession stands in and around Reno and Carson City. He became the Warden of the Lovelock Correctional Facility where OJ Simpson just left. He retired a while ago though. Probably before or slightly after OJ Simpson got there. Simpson looks like someone with little impulse control. Snaps when he is not in control of things he wants to dictate.

Looking out for one another seems to be the best answer while informed with the best information available.

My former employer who became the Warden I remember did like to research various issues of crime and punishment.

I have been thinking that might be a possibility, too. I wonder too, if the father who escaped prison for eight years and was on the FBI most wanted list for that time was with his children when he was hiding from the law..........

Ticker Tape along the bottom of the picture on CNN at noon today said the shooter was gambling UPWARDS of $30,000 per DAY. I don't care how many millions he supposedly had, it does not take long to get through millions if you are blowing away $30,000 a day! Although, there was no mention of whether he was losing or winning.

Also, he had sued one of the Casinos for an accident he had, shown on film, outside one of the stores. He lost the case and still owed a considerable amount of money for his legal bills and the Casino were awarded costs. I believe the number mentioned was hundreds of thousands, that could be wrong, the tape moves very quickly.

To my simple mind, this would seem like the beginnings of a reason for his state of mind - he may have reached bottom and was not going alone.