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manaboutown 10-03-2017 11:27 AM

I am wondering about many facets here: his genetics, his upbringing, his Malasian-Australian girlfriend, how he acquired and modified so many weapons, how he got them into his hotel room(s?) and kept them there several days, his feelings about his father (Bingo Bruce, Chromedome, Old Baldy) and whether he wanted to become more infamous than his old man. I find it hard to believe he was a regular big winner at gambling as well. He may have been facing financial ruin.

graciegirl 10-03-2017 11:40 AM

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Originally Posted by manaboutown (Post 1456785)
I am wondering about many facets here: his genetics, his upbringing, his Malasian-Australian girlfriend, how he acquired and modified so many weapons, how he got them into his hotel room(s?) and kept them there several days, his feelings about his father (Bingo Bruce, Chromedome, Old Baldy) and whether he wanted to become more infamous than his old man. I find it hard to believe he was a regular big winner at gambling as well. He may have been facing financial ruin.

I don't know if it makes a difference but I saw Marilou Danley's Facebook page before it was removed. She is one of four sisters and her mother was still alive in several pictures and they appeared to share a close family relationship and spoke to each other in Tagalog which I believe to be is a language used in The Phillipines. She showed pictures of her little grandchild and they all seemed very nice and ordinary.

Not useful information at all, but I wondered if she might have ended the relationship. She is 62 and looked very youthful. None of this is relevant. Just musings.

Henryk 10-03-2017 02:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Steve9930 (Post 1456495)
One thing I will set strait. Fully Automated Weapons are not illegal in the US. They are however very heavenly regulated. ...

"Heavenly" regulated. There's a whopper if I ever heard one.

Steve9930 10-03-2017 04:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Henryk (Post 1456840)
"Heavenly" regulated. There's a whopper if I ever heard one.

Old age slip, what can I say.

big guy 10-03-2017 06:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Dr Winston O Boogie jr (Post 1456379)
I was wondering how long it would take for someone to blame guns and the President.

The fact is that this guy used a fully automatic weapon which is pretty much illegal to own in this country. I would guess that he procured it through some kind of illegal means.

Laws don't prevent crimes. Gun control laws do not prevent people from getting guns illegally. No laws would have prevented this. This man broke many laws. If it were a matter of enacting new laws these things would never happen as bad or sick people will continue to break them.

I guess next it will somehow be President Trump's fault.

If we can't blame guns should we blame knives? Your is statement is ludicrous.

rivaridger1 10-03-2017 06:47 PM

Tonight on the " news " I learned two things. One or two of his guns were modified with a " bump stock " which allows a semi-automatic rifle to sound like and simulate an automatic rifle. These devices are completely legal and inexpensive in the scheme of things. The debate on whether they should be belongs elsewhere. Someone also said this individual was a " Narcissist " which sort of fits with what we know about him to date. While a layman, when it come to psychology, this means to me that he has never given one thought through his entire life to anyone but himself. While pure speculation, his motivation could have been as simple as to go down in history as a mass murderer.

big guy 10-03-2017 06:49 PM

:agree:
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Originally Posted by coalminer (Post 1456404)
Calm down ,my man. Again deal with reality. Semi auto weapons that can be bought throughtout the country leagally can be easily converted to automatic. Also the gun show loop hole is a glaring example where laws can be effective.

:agree::agree::agree:

big guy 10-03-2017 06:52 PM

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Originally Posted by gummybear223 (Post 1456412)
I am a retired Las Vegas police officer. I have a friend and former co-worker that was there, working the concert and helped get people to safety. Fortunately, God was protecting him and he was unharmed. I've heard two officers are among the fatalities and at least two more injured, one critically. I can't even process the suffering and grief of everyone involved. Please keep comments of blame for gun control or politics to yourself or your private conversations. The blame for this event lies with the individual and the psychopathy and hate in his heart. Pray for all the victims and their loved ones.

The ease with which to get guns should share part of the blame!!!

big guy 10-03-2017 06:55 PM

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Originally Posted by blueash (Post 1456421)
When the next mass death in Europe or here perpetrated by a Muslim happens, will you and others not be correct to mention the underlying factors that made that next event happen? That the ready availability of teaching from radicalizing Islamic websites and persons had a role in the event? And if the President and the Congress cry out for solutions to lessen the likelihood of it happening again, should we not have that discussion? But apparently not this time, when it is a clear situation where if the Brady Law had remained in place and enforced or even strengthened this might not have happened.

This is not a time for prayer from me. Too bad God didn't protect everyone there. It is time again, and again, and again to point out the death grip the gun industry has on our politicians and the resulting deaths that come from poor policy. And today in American another 90 people will die from gunshots. And tomorrow, and the next day. Yes the blame goes to the shooter, but that does not mean there are no changes that can be made to prevent the next man. Fortunately we didn't just say the drunk driver is the cause of his road carnage. We changed the law to make it harder for the next driver to commit the same crime.

Las Vegas gun show 2016

:BigApplause:

big guy 10-03-2017 06:56 PM

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Originally Posted by manaboutown (Post 1456423)
Well, they are not legal in Mexico but look at the killings down there.

We don't live in Mexico.

big guy 10-03-2017 07:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Steve9930 (Post 1456510)
And drunk drivers still commit the crime. Sometimes several times. The Brady Law did nothing to curb gun violence. Gun violence is a sickness of our current society. The gentleman is right lets quit arguing about Gun Laws that do not work and lets sit and comfort our fellow citizens.

How much "Prayers and condolences" can we send? It's hollow, it means nothing now.

Steve9930 10-03-2017 08:00 PM

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Originally Posted by big guy (Post 1456947)
How much "Prayers and condolences" can we send? It's hollow, it means nothing now.

Only hollow if you don't believe in being part of something bigger then yourself.

Steve9930 10-03-2017 08:03 PM

Only in the USA would we argue about passing legislation to try and stop a .003% problem while 99.997% is not a problem.

Polar Bear 10-03-2017 08:56 PM

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Originally Posted by big guy (Post 1456947)
How much "Prayers and condolences" can we send? It's hollow, it means nothing now.

Tell that to the families who've lost loved ones.

manaboutown 10-03-2017 09:28 PM

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Originally Posted by big guy (Post 1456945)
We don't live in Mexico.

Press one for English...

xNYer 10-04-2017 03:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Steve9930 (Post 1456973)
Only in the USA would we argue about passing legislation to try and stop a .003% problem while 99.997% is not a problem.

Why try to prevent killings when so few people are murdererers. Is that the essence of what you are saying? In other countries they would no be so foolish?

Dr Winston O Boogie jr 10-04-2017 05:58 AM

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Originally Posted by rivaridger1 (Post 1456940)
Tonight on the " news " I learned two things. One or two of his guns were modified with a " bump stock " which allows a semi-automatic rifle to sound like and simulate an automatic rifle. These devices are completely legal and inexpensive in the scheme of things. The debate on whether they should be belongs elsewhere. Someone also said this individual was a " Narcissist " which sort of fits with what we know about him to date. While a layman, when it come to psychology, this means to me that he has never given one thought through his entire life to anyone but himself. While pure speculation, his motivation could have been as simple as to go down in history as a mass murderer.

I am pretty much against adding more laws to the books that only serve to make it more difficult and expensive for good, responsible law-abiding citizen to buy guns. But one thing that I wouldn't object to would be making the sale and ownership of bump stocks illegal. Although they don't technically turn a semi-automatic weapon fully automatic, they basically serve the same purpose.

But even at that, people would still get bump stocks if they wanted one. Unless the manufacture of them was made illegal they would still exist. Even with that, I'm sure that there are some people that would learn to build their own.

The problem that I see with this kind of weapon is that it gives criminals an advantage over police, armed security guards and private citizens that choose to carry for protection.

manaboutown 10-04-2017 09:42 AM

And the plot thickens Paddock'''s Girlfriend Used Two Social Security Numbers and Was Married to Two Men at the Same Time

Taltarzac725 10-04-2017 09:48 AM

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Originally Posted by manaboutown (Post 1457178)

That is strange. I wonder if people will want to change the name of Paddock Square here in the Villages or just thumb their noses at fate like I do with birthdays (long story)? We do not want evil people stealing the connotations of words and their importance to us. Thumb your noses at such creeps.

billethkid 10-04-2017 10:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Steve9930 (Post 1456973)
Only in the USA would we argue about passing legislation to try and stop a .003% problem while 99.997% is not a problem.

100% accurate assessment of the problems plaguing our country today.

Isolated incidents are made out to be general conditions, minority both race and number groups treated as a majority issue/institution, special interest groups (big $$$$ political contributors) getting benefits when they represent a less than 10% entity.

Excellent post.

Steve9930 10-04-2017 10:06 AM

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Originally Posted by xNYer (Post 1457057)
Why try to prevent killings when so few people are murdererers. Is that the essence of what you are saying? In other countries they would no be so foolish?

Not at all. Las Vegas horrible tragedy, heart wrenching. But just an average Chicago weekend. Where's the outrage every night about what goes on in Chicago, Detroit, or even closer Orlando? Gun violence is a problem, a serious one. But what's the first thing you hear, Gun Control. Guns have been in society for years but this level of violence has not.

graciegirl 10-04-2017 12:02 PM

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Originally Posted by xNYer (Post 1457057)
Why try to prevent killings when so few people are murdererers. Is that the essence of what you are saying? In other countries they would no be so foolish?

I think no one quarrels with the fact that guns kill people and should not be used to kill people unless those people are trying to kill us or our families.

No argument at all from anyone I have ever talked to.
I also have never in my almost eighty years met anyone who was a murderer, (well one, but that is another story and he didn't want to kill me or mine and I didn't know he would be a murderer when I dealt with him in business)

The point of passing legislation that would unarm everyone, take their guns (by the way, I don't have any) take guns away from everyone except people who are armed to protect the citizenry...

Or only allowing guns for people to skeet shoot or hunt for game. Or passing laws that no one is allowed to carry guns or own them unless a, b, or c.

Is that the people who use guns to take things from others, to intimidate others, to protect themselves from other people who might take the drugs they are marketing or the people they are marketing, are not likely to be conscientious enough to say they have guns and give them up.

Only people with very loving hearts and slightly unrealistic attitudes about how the world works and how people act will NOTsee that this is locking the barn door after the horses are gone.

That ship has sailed. We have a lot of armed people, both good, bad and some who might just fall apart tomorrow and do a mass shooting. Good things are not simple.

Perhaps I am missing something. HOW would your gun law read???? In other countries guns are not owned by a good many Toms, Dicks and Marys like the are here in the U.S. HOW would your law read????

Mrs. Robinson 10-05-2017 11:03 PM

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Originally Posted by graciegirl (Post 1456430)
Correct me if I am wrong. Are guns legal to own in Chicago? I don't have a gun, but I am glad my neighbors do. If a law were passed to limit ownership of guns, only the good guys would obey the law. THAT is the reality. I think there are two ways to look at things and two ways to vote. What sounds nice and what really happens.

You don't have a gun but are glad your neighbors do??? Huh?

Sorry, but limited guns is not the reality, even if ownership of guns was limited.

There is more to it than that -- much more!

manaboutown 10-05-2017 11:35 PM

Does anyone else see the brother as a bit glib and untroubled by what happened?

Too, the so called girlfriend lawyering up seems suspicious to me. She has quite a history, two SS nos., being simultaneously married to two different men...

Mrs. Robinson 10-06-2017 01:34 AM

They say the apple doesn't fall far from the tree.
There's a lot of truth in that.

Steven Paddock's father was on the FBI's Ten Most Wanted List for a series of robberies and for trying to run down an FBI agent.
He was said to be psychotic.

Paddock's brother, Eric, supposedly deals in marijuana and methamphetamines.
I don't know if this allegation has been substantiated.
What I do know is the he has shown no overt emotion in the death of his brother, the victims of the shooting or those who were injured.

They all seem to have a screw loose, i.e., the possibility of the predisposition of a genetic abnormality -- otherwise known as nut jobs.
There is much we will never know about this senseless tragedy.

Vectra 10-07-2017 05:19 AM

I probably see this differently to most people here but believe there is no reason why anyone needs or should have any type of automatic weapon be it semi or otherwise, these can be taken out of circulation by a change in the law and reduce the death toll significantly seen all over the country.

There are no valid arguments about second amendment rights and citizens freedoms that justify the current situation where mass shooting of large groups of people are so easy to perpetrate by any member of the public that might be a perfectly law abiding citizen one day and have a breakdown the next.

The reason I see it differently is because I am not American but English and have lived through the change of gun laws in the UK where just 2 mass killings was enough for the government of the time to act and abolish just about all guns in circulation and have seen no mass shooting since.

I currently live in Spain where similar strict gun laws make gun crime something that you just don’t think about, it happens but in such small numbers it’s not given a thought and personal safety is almost guaranteed with violent crime again minimal even in parts of towns and city’s that may not be the best.

I now own a house near the Villages and love everything about it and enjoy my time spent there and the friends I have made but am more than aware that shootings are happening at least once a month sometimes weekly within a few miles of my home there and consciously go home before the bad guys come out each evening and am slightly on edge in situations that I would never be in Europe.

Someone needs to have the balls to stand up to the NRA and say enough’s enough and that this type of carnage can and needs to be brought to an end for all the thousands of innocent people who have lost their lives so needlessly over the last few years and for all those who will lose their lives in the future if something isn’t done.

Schaumburger 10-07-2017 06:53 AM

Handgun ownership in the City of Chicago
 
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Originally Posted by graciegirl (Post 1456430)
Correct me if I am wrong. Are guns legal to own in Chicago? I don't have a gun, but I am glad my neighbors do. If a law were passed to limit ownership of guns, only the good guys would obey the law. THAT is the reality. I think there are two ways to look at things and two ways to vote. What sounds nice and what really happens.

Handgun ownership has been legal in the City of Chicago since 2010 per a U.S. Supreme Court ruling. Gun sales are "banned" in the City of Chicago (notice I put banned in parentheses as the real situation is much different. If you are a Chicago resident and wish to legally purchase a handgun, you must go to the suburbs to make your purchase. Handgun owners in the City of Chicago must also get an Illinois Firearm Owners ID card, complete a firearms safety course, get a City of Chicago Firearms Permit and then register the firearm with the City of Chicago. Do all handgun owners in Chicago follow the city's handgun ordinance requirements...of course not.

From Time Out Chicago's web site:

In June, 2010 the U.S. Supreme Court issued a ruling that effectively, and instantly, shot down Chicago’s 28-year-old handgun ban. The opinion, issued by a narrow 5-4 majority, said the Second Amendment protects the right to own a handgun for self-defense, a decision that overrides state and municipal restrictions. Otis McDonald, a South Side septuagenarian and the namesake plaintiff in McDonald v. Chicago, was among several local petitioners in the suit sponsored by the Second Amendment Foundation and the Illinois State Rifle Association. McDonald argued he had the right to protect himself and his family in his Morgan Park neighborhood, which he described as crime ridden.

“The number of Chicago homicide victims during the current year [2010] equaled the number of American soldiers killed during that same period in Afghanistan and Iraq,” justice Samuel Alito wrote in the majority opinion. “If safety of…law abiding members of the community would be enhanced by the possession of handguns in the home for self-defense, then the Second Amendment right protects the rights of minorities and other residents of high-crime areas whose needs are not being met by elected public officials.”


Schaumburger 10-07-2017 07:16 AM

Gunman reserved hotel rooms in Chicago
 
This past August, the gunman also reserved rooms at Chicago's Blackstone Hotel which overlooks the 4 day Lollapalooza music festival. Lollapalooza draws about 100,000 people per day to Chicago's Grant Park. The gunman did not actually stay at the hotel during this past August's Lollapalooza festival, according to the Blackstone.

Taltarzac725 10-07-2017 07:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Schaumburger (Post 1458312)
This past August, the gunman also reserved rooms at Chicago's Blackstone Hotel which overlooks the 3 day Lollapalooza music festival, which draws about 100,000 people per day to Chicago's Grant Park. The gunman did not actually stay at the hotel during this past August's Lollapalooza festival, according to the Blackstone.

He was scoping out various cities for an attack. This man looks like he was very deliberative and not mentally ill. Just a very evil person. My friend told me that he hoped this man had a tumor that caused this as my friend could no understand how someone could do this.

With Chicago they have to address the gangs there which are connected to the lucrative drug trade. The guns are used to defend their turfs and further gang violence while many civilians get caught in the cross-fire or are out right targeted if they have some connection with the gang like a relative in one of them.

Polar Bear 10-07-2017 07:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Taltarzac725 (Post 1458318)
...This man looks like he was very deliberative and not mentally ill...

A person can definitely be both.

Taltarzac725 10-07-2017 07:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Polar Bear (Post 1458328)
A person can definitely be both.

Yes. But that has usually been diagnosed by that time and noticed by relatives, friends, co-workers and the like. John Forbes Nast was a brilliant thinker with serious mental health problems. A Beautiful Mind (film - Wikipedia)

John Forbes Nash Jr. - Wikipedia.

There is no evidence so far that Steven Paddock was mentally ill. A great deal that he was extremely evil in nature.

Taltarzac725 10-07-2017 08:36 AM

An ex-Marine goes on a killing spree at the University of Texas - Aug 01, 1966 - HISTORY.com

I do remember that this man had some serious problems with his brain when he did this other tragic act by a sniper.

Some of the various news programs have mentioned this killer in their discussions of the Las Vegas mass murderer Steven Paddock.

Polar Bear 10-07-2017 08:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Taltarzac725 (Post 1458343)
...There is no evidence so far that Steven Paddock was mentally ill...

Other than killing 59 people and wounding hundreds more? Yeah...no evidence at all.

Taltarzac725 10-07-2017 08:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Polar Bear (Post 1458372)
Other than killing 59 people and wounding hundreds more? Yeah...no evidence at all.

Hitler and his henchmen killed at least 11 million people or so. Or contributed greatly to the war that created that mess and I do not believe any of those people were mentally ill. The Holocaust's Forgotten Victims: The 5 Million Non-Jewish People Killed By The Nazis | HuffPost

Heinrich Himmler - Military Leader - Biography.com

manaboutown 10-07-2017 08:53 AM

Stalin killed what, 20,000,000 to 60,000,000? no one knows.

Taltarzac725 10-07-2017 08:59 AM

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Originally Posted by manaboutown (Post 1458383)
Stalin killed what, 20,000,000 to 60,000,000? no one knows.

I believe that the Nazis kept very meticulous records of their evil plan. Stalin was just acting according to whatever he felt threatened him and his State.

Has there been any word of mental illness on the part of Steven Paddock? I am not aware of any. The mystery of Stephen Paddock's brain - CNN

And some people with mental illnesses of various kinds have made great works of art. Artists with mental illnesses

Polar Bear 10-07-2017 10:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Taltarzac725 (Post 1458379)
Hitler and his henchmen killed at least 11 million people or so. Or contributed greatly to the war that created that mess and I do not believe any of those people were mentally ill...

You have your definition. I have mine.

graciegirl 10-07-2017 10:36 AM

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Originally Posted by affald (Post 1458346)
Good point, I wonder how long it will be before they disclose the wackadoodles autopsy results.

Autopsy results? What would you think they would be looking for? Perhaps drugs? Brain tumor?

I think this man acted alone. I think he had the time to set it all up, the money, and some kind of sick motivation. I think the prostitutes seen with him on his last days may be able to tell somebody something, but I think he was mad at the world. Dangerously mad at the world and may have had a genetic criminal tendency of some kind. His family is a little odd in my opinion.

But of course that could be said about most of our families.

affald 10-07-2017 11:08 AM

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Originally Posted by graciegirl (Post 1458455)
Autopsy results? What would you think they would be looking for? Perhaps drugs? Brain tumor?

I think this man acted alone. I think he had the time to set it all up, the money, and some kind of sick motivation. I think the prostitutes seen with him on his last days may be able to tell somebody something, but I think he was mad at the world. Dangerously mad at the world and may have had a genetic criminal tendency of some kind. His family is a little odd in my opinion.

But of course that could be said about most of our families.

Wonder if he had obvious defects, maybe the warrior gene too.

Taltarzac725 10-07-2017 12:41 PM

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Originally Posted by graciegirl (Post 1458455)
Autopsy results? What would you think they would be looking for? Perhaps drugs? Brain tumor?

I think this man acted alone. I think he had the time to set it all up, the money, and some kind of sick motivation. I think the prostitutes seen with him on his last days may be able to tell somebody something, but I think he was mad at the world. Dangerously mad at the world and may have had a genetic criminal tendency of some kind. His family is a little odd in my opinion.

But of course that could be said about most of our families.

That sounds like a correct assessment. And I doubt if he would have told high-end call girls much of anything. They would have told someone having no loyalty to a man planning such carnage.


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