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Aces4 08-11-2022 06:29 PM
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Originally Posted by MartinSE (Post 2124956)
It seems this discussion has devolved into childish personal insults. I guess it is time for the moderators to end it.

That’s the scope of your response? Facts matter, don’t they! Perhaps following your own byline would help.

"Your assumptions are your windows on the world. Scrub them off every once in a while, or the light won't come in." --- Isaac Asimov

Hardlyworking 08-11-2022 07:03 PM
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Originally Posted by MartinSE (Post 2124960)
Thank you for pointing out what all we don't understand without bothering to educate us, since you seem to think you know what really happened.
I wasn’t talking to you. I’m sure you can operate Google as well as I can.

tophcfa 08-11-2022 07:48 PM
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Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 2124887)
Another thing that most people do not realize about an IC gasoline engine is that they do not like to idle - they are NOT efficient AT LOW RPMs. To idle slowly they must be run RICH (in gas to air ratio) - then they give off more pollution. So, traffic jams are bad for mph, mpg, and pollution per mile. Diesel engines are better than gas for idle efficiency. (that is why the truckers sleep with A/C or heaters on and engines running at rest stops) The Electric Vehicle motor has none of these problems.

In general, the time lost and extra energy for idling are the INCREASED costs of traffic jams that are increasing due to the lack of additional LANES, which appear to be held up by a lack of transportation funding. And the population growth is greater than the growth of road maintenance money. The US is being penny-wise and dollar-foolish!
When an ice engine idles it can run A/C or heat as needed without draining its power source. Much more efficient that trying to cool or heat an EV that is stuck in traffic not moving. And EV’s are a big problem when it comes to transportation funding since they don’t pay a fuel tax.

Hardlyworking 08-11-2022 08:12 PM
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Originally Posted by tophcfa (Post 2124991)
When an ice engine idles it can run A/C or heat as needed without draining its power source. Much more efficient that trying to cool or heat an EV that is stuck in traffic not moving. And EV’s are a big problem when it comes to transportation funding since they don’t pay a fuel tax.
Teslas use a heat pump to cool and heat the vehicle. Moving is not required.

Spectreron 08-11-2022 11:43 PM
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Originally Posted by tophcfa (Post 2124991)
When an ice engine idles it can run A/C or heat as needed without draining its power source. Much more efficient that trying to cool or heat an EV that is stuck in traffic not moving. And EV’s are a big problem when it comes to transportation funding since they don’t pay a fuel tax.
Simply not true. An EV can just use the heat pump for HVAC while the gasser must idle to run heat and air. The EV uses about 10% of charge overnight keeping the vehicle at a nice toasty 75 deg., while watching Netflix or playing video games until the road clears. What magic do you use to run the A/C or heat without draining a power source?

44Apple 08-12-2022 06:20 AM
There will be resistance to adoption of electric vehicles just like there was back in 1910 re motorcars. But we are finally moving away from extensive use of oil.

Bay Kid 08-12-2022 07:02 AM
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Originally Posted by tophcfa (Post 2124991)
When an ice engine idles it can run A/C or heat as needed without draining its power source. Much more efficient that trying to cool or heat an EV that is stuck in traffic not moving. And EV’s are a big problem when it comes to transportation funding since they don’t pay a fuel tax.
Don't worry there will be a special tax for these vehicles.

Dr Winston O Boogie jr 08-12-2022 07:06 AM
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Originally Posted by retiredguy123 (Post 2124331)
I agree. Natural gas vehicles have been around for more than 20 years. When I had a Government job, I drove a Government owned car that used both natural gas and gasoline. When you ran out of natural gas, you pushed a button and switched to the gasoline tank and kept driving. I don't know why they haven't become popular.
The answer I got was that some billionaire owns most of the natural gas in this country and some people would be upset if he made a lot of money.

retiredguy123 08-12-2022 09:06 AM
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Originally Posted by MartinSE (Post 2124962)
Well, actually the dealer may or may not verify it - I have never been a dealer so I can't speak to what they do. But I do verify both the accident/damage record and maintenance record. No recorded maintenance , no purchase. More and more people are doing that today, because too many people drive a car without maintaining it, then because it is all shiny they expect to get top dollar. Maintenance is recorded in a national database by all reputable mechanics now.
I could not verify that there is a national database for vehicle maintenance. The service center where I have had my oil changes done has reputable mechanics, but the guy there didn't know anything about a national database.

What database are you referring to, and how do I access it?

tophcfa 08-12-2022 09:22 AM
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Originally Posted by Bay Kid (Post 2125058)
Don't worry there will be a special tax for these vehicles.
Unfortunately, what will most likely happen is that there will be a tax on miles driven on all vehicles but the tax on gas won’t go away, double taxing gas and diesel vehicles. If the government wants us in electric vehicles, they will eventually find ways to make it prohibitively uneconomical for most people to do otherwise. In the new era of stressing equality, they are dumping inequalities on people who prefer a rural lifestyle, where driving range, 4WD, and towing capacity are important, driving lots of miles is a necessity, and public transportation is not available. In a way, EV’s are forcing more urbanization.

MartinSE 08-12-2022 11:25 AM
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Originally Posted by retiredguy123 (Post 2125113)
I could not verify that there is a national database for vehicle maintenance. The service center where I have had my oil changes done has reputable mechanics, but the guy there didn't know anything about a national database.

What database are you referring to, and how do I access it?
It took all of about 10 seconds to fund some of them, there are also free services available. Some do only accendents, some do maintenance.

AutoCheck.com


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retiredguy123 08-12-2022 12:22 PM
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Originally Posted by MartinSE (Post 2125168)
It took all of about 10 seconds to fund some of them, there are also free services available. Some do only accendents, some do maintenance.

AutoCheck.com


Online VIN Lookup | Vehicle Accident History Report | Car Title History Report
Your post said that, "maintenance is recorded in a national database by all reputable mechanics now". That is not true. In The Villages, I have had my car maintained by both Firestone and Sumter Tire. Firestone has 1700 shops in the U.S., and Sumter Tire is well regarded for doing excellent work on cars. But, neither of these auto maintenance shops enters any data into that website or any other national database. So, I think that using that website to determine if a vehicle has been well maintained would be virtually worthless.

jimjamuser 08-12-2022 01:04 PM
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Originally Posted by tophcfa (Post 2124991)
When an ice engine idles it can run A/C or heat as needed without draining its power source. Much more efficient that trying to cool or heat an EV that is stuck in traffic not moving. And EV’s are a big problem when it comes to transportation funding since they don’t pay a fuel tax.
People will always find a factor that is better about the OLD and currently in place system versus a NEW SYSTEM just coming on the horizon. It was TRUE many years ago when someone said that the HORSE is much better than the automobile because it is QUIETER.

jimjamuser 08-12-2022 01:14 PM
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Originally Posted by tophcfa (Post 2124991)
When an ice engine idles it can run A/C or heat as needed without draining its power source. Much more efficient that trying to cool or heat an EV that is stuck in traffic not moving. And EV’s are a big problem when it comes to transportation funding since they don’t pay a fuel tax.
If you notice, that when a car is idling and you switch on the A/C, the engine must be sped up to prevent it from stalling. Which proves that idling is hard for any IC engine. The IC engine ONLY operates efficiently in a narrow RPM range., That's why a heavy and inefficient transmission must be used.

jimjamuser 08-12-2022 01:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Dr Winston O Boogie jr (Post 2125060)
The answer I got was that some billionaire owns most of the natural gas in this country and some people would be upset if he made a lot of money.
Natural gas like oil is a worldwide commodity on a worldwide exchange. It would be impossible for one rich American or ONE anybody to corner the natural gas market.


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