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Taltarzac725 06-14-2016 07:19 AM
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Originally Posted by RickeyD (Post 1240791)
You spent a lot of time on this. I get it. If I were one of the many having to live under brutal western colonial rule over the past many centuries I might feel as these people do. You can't pick and choose which part of history makes your argument valid.

The Oxford History of Islam - European Colonialism and the Emergence of Modern Muslim States - Oxford Islamic Studies Online

Western Imperialism in the Middle East, 1914–1958 | Reviews in History

BRITISH COLONIALISM, MIDDLE EAST (Western Colonialism)

http://www.middleeastpdx.org/resourc...iddle_East.ppt

The Troubles in Syria: Spawned by French Divide and Rule | Middle East Policy Council
Understanding your enemy is a good thing or trying to prevent people from becoming your enemy is even better.

People should study the history, culture and languages of these areas.

I do not think there is much chance of understanding ISIS as that is a fascist movement mostly developed around a radicalization of a old religion which has little cultural or historical connection. It is cult like and depends a lot on the people who are running it and their personalities.

outlaw 06-14-2016 07:22 AM
Oh well. Many naysayers on here. Unfortunately, it will take several more of these attacks on US soil before some will realize the evil Trojan horse we welcomed into our country. Hopefully, it won't be too late, like in Europe.

Taltarzac725 06-14-2016 07:27 AM
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Originally Posted by outlaw (Post 1240847)
Oh well. Many naysayers on here. Unfortunately, it will take several more of these attacks on US soil before some will realize the evil Trojan horse we welcomed into our country. Hopefully, it won't be too late, like in Europe.
You seem to be forgetting that the Orlando shooter was born in Queens. He was a US citizen and probably a closet gay.

CFrance 06-14-2016 08:00 AM
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Originally Posted by quirky3 (Post 1240440)
This is from Facebook

Mahmoud ElAwadi feeling determined at Orlando

-Yes my name is Mahmoud a proud Muslim American .
-Yes I donated blood even though I can't eat or drink anything cause I'm fasting in our holy month Ramadan just like hundreds of other Muslims who donated today here in Orlando .
-Yes I'm angry for what happened last night and all the innocent lives we lost .
-Yes I'm sad , frustrated and mad that a crazy guy claim to be a Muslim did that shameful act.
-Yes I witnessed the greatness of this country watching thousands of people standing in 92 degree sun waiting on their turn to donate blood even after they were told that the wait time is 5-7 hours .
-Yes this is the greatest nation on earth watching people from different a ages including kids volunteering to give water , juice , food , umbrellas , sun block. Also watching our old veterans coming to donate And next to them Muslim women in hijab carrying food and water to donors standing in line .
-Yes together we will stand against hate , terrorism , extremism and racism .
-Yes our blood all look the same so get out there and donate blood cause our fellow American citizens are injured and need our blood .
Yes our community in central Florida is heart broken but let's put our colors , religions , ethnicity , sexual orientation , political views all aside so we can UNITE against those who are trying to hurt us .
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Originally Posted by RickeyD (Post 1240492)
Just as the KKK doesn't represent all Christians, Muslim extremists don't represent all Muslims.
:BigApplause:to you both

RickeyD 06-14-2016 08:02 AM
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Originally Posted by outlaw (Post 1240847)
Oh well. Many naysayers on here. Unfortunately, it will take several more of these attacks on US soil before some will realize the evil Trojan horse we welcomed into our country. Hopefully, it won't be too late, like in Europe.


Maybe make them wear a yellow star of Islam on their clothing. Would make a round up a lot easier.

graciegirl 06-14-2016 08:09 AM
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Originally Posted by RickeyD (Post 1240888)
Maybe make them wear a yellow star of Islam on their clothing. Would make a round up a lot easier.
I think the problem lies in who is an extremist. Who is becoming more involved, becoming more "devout", becoming more radicalized?

To dismiss a problem summarily by being kind and accepting as we were taught to act and believe is right to act is dangerous. Therein lies the real trouble. It is wrong to group all people in with those who will kill you, but we have to have some means of where to look. I guess all profiling is suspect, but sometimes it is the only means at hand to work out where the danger is pointing. The CIA and the FBI look at certain places when they are looking for terrorists. It is something that being politically correct doesn't quite cover. We are hamstrung by our political correctness. We must be aware and cautious but not throw the baby out with the bath water. NOT lose our common sense. Not lose our respect for others differences. But we must be aware that there is a very real danger.

Taltarzac725 06-14-2016 08:21 AM
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Originally Posted by graciegirl (Post 1240890)
I think the problem lies in who is an extremist. Who is becoming more involved, becoming more "devout", becoming more radicalized?

To dismiss a problem summarily by being kind and accepting as we were taught to act and believe is right to act is dangerous. Therein lies the real trouble. It is wrong to group all people in with those who will kill you, but we have to have some means of where to look. I guess all profiling is suspect, but sometimes it is the only means at hand to work out where the danger is pointing. The CIA and the FBI look at certain places when they are looking for terrorists. It is something that being politically correct doesn't quite cover. We are hamstrung by our political correctness. We must be aware and cautious but not throw the baby out with the bath water. NOT lose our common sense.

I must admit that since 9/11 I am a lot more nervous around people who look Muslim to me but it is the terrorist who looks and acts like us who should be a big worry.

I do not travel to NYC very often though nor even to Orlando.

RickeyD 06-14-2016 08:27 AM
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Originally Posted by graciegirl (Post 1240890)
I think the problem lies in who is an extremist. Who is becoming more involved, becoming more "devout", becoming more radicalized?

To dismiss a problem summarily by being kind and accepting as we were taught to act and believe is right to act is dangerous. Therein lies the real trouble. It is wrong to group all people in with those who will kill you, but we have to have some means of where to look. I guess all profiling is suspect, but sometimes it is the only means at hand to work out where the danger is pointing. The CIA and the FBI look at certain places when they are looking for terrorists. It is something that being politically correct doesn't quite cover. We are hamstrung by our political correctness. We must be aware and cautious but not throw the baby out with the bath water. NOT lose our common sense. Not lose our respect for others differences. But we must be aware that there is a very real danger.


Our country is applauded by the Europeans because we have the greatest success in assimilating them into our culture. We need to continue as we have been rather then having them feel isolated as they are in Europe.

Taltarzac725 06-14-2016 08:41 AM
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Originally Posted by RickeyD (Post 1240904)
Our country is applauded by the Europeans because we have the greatest success in assimilating them into our culture. We need to continue as we have been rather then having them feel isolated as they are in Europe.
Developing relationships with people in these communities would help prevent future terrorist attacks as well. I have had a number of friendships with people from abroad whenever I have had that opportunity even if some of them did not work out all that well.

I have Facebook friends from all over the world now for instance. Part of my 224 613 Project to a certain extent but also like to see what these many people are thinking about many subjects.

I have mentioned my friend Mahmood Jergis Mohammad that I had while at the University of Denver Graduate School of Librarianship and Information Management. He was from the University of Mosul. I hung around with him and a small group of Muslims/Arabs from about a half dozen different Muslim countries. This was in 1983-1984. During the Iran-Iraq War. I did really hate some of the jokes about the Kurds I heard from this group though.

My friend probably now in 2016 would probably consider me an enemy if he survived the ISIS take over of Mosul. I had a correspondence with him for two years or so before he just became too full of hatred for the West.

graciegirl 06-14-2016 08:50 AM
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Originally Posted by RickeyD (Post 1240904)
Our country is applauded by the Europeans because we have the greatest success in assimilating them into our culture. We need to continue as we have been rather then having them feel isolated as they are in Europe.
We don't have the numbers of Muslims they have in Europe and it has been reported by all news stations after the last terrorist attacks in Belgium that the Muslim communities in Paris and London and Brussells isolate themselves.

I know that when I was involved in our church that invitations to involve the Mosque in area wide religious activities were not accepted. I think that people like to give all faiths the same virtues and behavior, but sometimes that is not true. To tell you the truth I was very surprised to see the Muslim person who was on stage last night at the Orlando vigil.

I would like to think and believe what you are presenting and I do not like war or violence, but my instincts tell me that there is a real danger from the Muslim EXTREMISTS that live here and everywhere.

tbuthray 06-14-2016 08:56 AM
I see most of the responses have totally missed the point of the question.

RickeyD 06-14-2016 09:00 AM
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Originally Posted by graciegirl (Post 1240920)
We don't have the numbers of Muslims they have in Europe and it has been reported by all news stations after the last terrorist attacks in Belgium that the Muslim communities in Paris and London and Brussells isolate themselves.



I know that when I was involved in our church that invitations to involve the Mosque in area wide religious activities were not accepted. I think that people like to give all faiths the same virtues and behavior, but sometimes that is not true. To tell you the truth I was very surprised to see the Muslim person who was on stage last night at the Orlando vigil.



I would like to think and believe what you are presenting and I do not like war or violence, but my instincts tell me that there is a real danger from the Muslim EXTREMISTS that live here and everywhere.


We are not disagreeing. I for one would have no problem taking up arms against anyone attacking us. We all need to distinguish who and what are the real threats, treat that alone so that the innocents are not affected. I don't like wasting ammunition.

RickeyD 06-14-2016 09:04 AM
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Originally Posted by tbuthray (Post 1240926)
I see most of the responses have totally missed the point of the question.


Not really.

blueash 06-14-2016 12:18 PM
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Originally Posted by graciegirl (Post 1240834)
No. BUT. Having lived near a Mosque for 22 years before moving here, I can make this observation. The Muslims who are bearded and who wear traditional clothing are usually more devout or radicalized if those words can fairly be interchanged.
No those cannot fairly be interchanged.

https://pibillwarner.files.wordpress...8/untitled.jpg to see 9-11 terrorists

http://newsinfo.inquirer.net/files/2...ks-suspect.jpg Paris ringleader

https://www.fbi.gov/news/news_blog/i...ammed-deceased Tanzania embassy

http://www.trbimg.com/img-54026997/t...state-20140830 Fort Hood

http://assets.nydailynews.com/polopo...ns-suspect.jpg Boston bombers

http://www.epictimes.com/12/08/2015/...-the-shooting/ San Bernadino

and of course Orlando

No or minimal beards, Western clothing. But some people form opinions, or pre-judge situations, despite evidence completely contradictory to their sincerely held personal observations. So religious garb may indicate religious but it does NOT indicate radicalized.

graciegirl 06-14-2016 12:35 PM
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Originally Posted by blueash (Post 1241010)
No those cannot fairly be interchanged.

https://pibillwarner.files.wordpress...8/untitled.jpg to see 9-11 terrorists

http://newsinfo.inquirer.net/files/2...ks-suspect.jpg Paris ringleader

https://www.fbi.gov/news/news_blog/i...ammed-deceased Tanzania embassy

http://www.trbimg.com/img-54026997/t...state-20140830 Fort Hood

http://assets.nydailynews.com/polopo...ns-suspect.jpg Boston bombers

http://www.epictimes.com/12/08/2015/...-the-shooting/ San Bernadino

and of course Orlando

No or minimal beards, Western clothing. But some people form opinions, or pre-judge situations, despite evidence completely contradictory to their sincerely held personal observations. So religious garb may indicate religious but it does NOT indicate radicalized.
I personally think that most are the better for having religious beliefs, and traditions, but I do not agree with those that think that infidels are better off dead.

Now you can say that Catholics are taught that it is a sin to use birth control, which is almost universally ignored, but one seems far more dangerous than the other. I will continue to use my marker for folks in Burqas, (sp) actually more because it appears to me to be a way to subjugate women. It offends me although I thought nothing of nuns dressing almost identically in my youth. We change. We have opinions and we debate. But most of us would never kill another unless they were trying to do terrible harm to themselves or their families.

blueash 06-14-2016 02:51 PM
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I'm with Trump they dont want to live according to our ways leave dont come back.
Who gets to define "our ways"? Those pesky Amish, wearing clothes covering their bodies, speaking in a semi-English tongue, refusing to modernize instead practicing an 18th century faith, refusing to fight for America but still getting all the benefits. Those Jews wearing their beards and curly sideburns, refusing to dress like we do, asking for special privileges like their own holidays and litigating against "our" faith. And those pushy Catholics, insisting their interpretation of the Bible be the proper one, all the tax deductions they get and fighting birth control so they can take over by over-reproducing children just like the Mexicans (also they're Catholic, see proof). And those Native Americans, the worst. Demanding their own territories, refusing taxation, having all those casinos and no cigarette taxes. Especially those people. They should go back where they came from. and don't come back. And the Cubans, ruined Miami, and the Negroes.. nothing but trouble, one way boat ticket home for them.

It gets tricky unless I give you the right to separate the They from the Us. Sadly I think I'm in the They group if you get to do the separation

And so I ask, how many of these not like "us" people do you want to get rid of, and don't let come back? Gustav Emil Martin Niemöller suggests a successful plan is first get rid of Communists, then Socialists, then ...

outlaw 06-14-2016 02:56 PM
27,000+ MUSLIMS IN Orlando area.

CFrance 06-14-2016 02:57 PM
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Originally Posted by blueash (Post 1241102)
Who gets to define "our ways"? Those pesky Amish, wearing clothes covering their bodies, speaking in a semi-English tongue, refusing to modernize instead practicing an 18th century faith, refusing to fight for America but still getting all the benefits. Those Jews wearing their beards and curly sideburns, refusing to dress like we do, asking for special privileges like their own holidays and litigating against "our" faith. And those pushy Catholics, insisting their interpretation of the Bible be the proper one, all the tax deductions they get and fighting birth control so they can take over by over-reproducing children just like the Mexicans (also they're Catholic, see proof). And those Native Americans, the worst. Demanding their own territories, refusing taxation, having all those casinos and no cigarette taxes. Especially those people. They should go back where they came from. and don't come back. And the Cubans, ruined Miami, and the Negroes.. nothing but trouble, one way boat ticket home for them.

It gets tricky unless I give you the right to separate the They from the Us. Sadly I think I'm in the They group if you get to do the separation

And so I ask, how many of these not like "us" people do you want to get rid of, and don't let come back? Gustav Emil Martin Niemöller suggests a successful plan is first get rid of Communists, then Socialists, then ...
You are my new hero.

Bogie Shooter 06-14-2016 02:59 PM
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Originally Posted by outlaw (Post 1241106)
27,000+ MUSLIMS IN Orlando area.

:shrug:

outlaw 06-14-2016 03:00 PM
Current news: Shooter was gay! So I guess it can't be a hate crime? I don't know. Can a black hetero killing another black hetero be accused of a hate crime? Could be just an attack on US citizens that happened to be at a gay bar because the shooter was hanging out at his "watering hole".

graciegirl 06-14-2016 03:38 PM
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Originally Posted by blueash (Post 1241102)
Who gets to define "our ways"? Those pesky Amish, wearing clothes covering their bodies, speaking in a semi-English tongue, refusing to modernize instead practicing an 18th century faith, refusing to fight for America but still getting all the benefits. Those Jews wearing their beards and curly sideburns, refusing to dress like we do, asking for special privileges like their own holidays and litigating against "our" faith. And those pushy Catholics, insisting their interpretation of the Bible be the proper one, all the tax deductions they get and fighting birth control so they can take over by over-reproducing children just like the Mexicans (also they're Catholic, see proof). And those Native Americans, the worst. Demanding their own territories, refusing taxation, having all those casinos and no cigarette taxes. Especially those people. They should go back where they came from. and don't come back. And the Cubans, ruined Miami, and the Negroes.. nothing but trouble, one way boat ticket home for them.

It gets tricky unless I give you the right to separate the They from the Us. Sadly I think I'm in the They group if you get to do the separation

And so I ask, how many of these not like "us" people do you want to get rid of, and don't let come back? Gustav Emil Martin Niemöller suggests a successful plan is first get rid of Communists, then Socialists, then ...
Just the ones that want Christians and Jews dead.

outlaw 06-14-2016 03:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Taltarzac725 (Post 1240850)
You seem to be forgetting that the Orlando shooter was born in Queens. He was a US citizen and probably a closet gay.
"American-born children of immigrants proving fruitful recruiting ground for jihad in U.S.

While immigrants draw much of the attention, it’s their children who are proving to be the most fruitful recruiting ground for radical jihad in the U.S., accounting for at least half of the deadly attacks over the past decade.

The latest instance of the second-generation terrorist syndrome played out in Orlando, Florida, over the weekend when Omar Mateen, son of immigrants from Afghanistan, went on a jihad-inspired rampage, killing 49 people and wounding 53 others in the worst mass shooting in U.S. history."

We are now reaping what we have sown.

Barefoot 06-14-2016 04:05 PM
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Originally Posted by RickeyD (Post 1240492)
Just as the KKK doesn't represent all Christians, Muslim extremists don't represent all Muslims.
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Originally Posted by blueash (Post 1241102)
Who gets to define "our ways"? Those pesky Amish, wearing clothes covering their bodies, speaking in a semi-English tongue, refusing to modernize instead practicing an 18th century faith, refusing to fight for America but still getting all the benefits. Those Jews wearing their beards and curly sideburns, refusing to dress like we do, asking for special privileges like their own holidays and litigating against "our" faith. And those pushy Catholics, insisting their interpretation of the Bible be the proper one, all the tax deductions they get and fighting birth control so they can take over by over-reproducing children just like the Mexicans (also they're Catholic, see proof). And those Native Americans, the worst. Demanding their own territories, refusing taxation, having all those casinos and no cigarette taxes. Especially those people. They should go back where they came from. and don't come back. And the Cubans, ruined Miami, and the Negroes.. nothing but trouble, one way boat ticket home for them.

It gets tricky unless I give you the right to separate the They from the Us. Sadly I think I'm in the They group if you get to do the separation

And so I ask, how many of these not like "us" people do you want to get rid of, and don't let come back? Gustav Emil Martin Niemöller suggests a successful plan is first get rid of Communists, then Socialists, then ...
I admire the two posts above. I have no point to make, just some random thoughts.
Clearly, it's very wrong to hate a culture or religion because a few of the members are violent and hate our country.
Most Muslims are good and peaceful people. As a culture, I'd like to embrace them with open arms.
I learned earlier on this thread that Dr. Oz, who is admired by millions, is a Muslim.
Yet Muslin Extremists can be born in the USA and walk among us. They are not easily recognized.
I have to confess, I do look at Muslims who are flying on a plane with me to see if they're relaxed or agitated.

outlaw 06-14-2016 04:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Barefoot (Post 1241151)
I admire the two posts above. I have no point to make, just some random thoughts.
Clearly, it's very wrong to hate a culture or religion because a few of the members are violent and hate our country.
Most Muslims are good and peaceful people. As a culture, I'd like to embrace them with open arms.
I learned earlier on this thread that Dr. Oz, who is admired by millions, is a Muslim.
Yet Muslin Extremists can be born in the USA and walk among us. They are not easily recognized.
I have to confess, I do look at Muslims who are flying on a plane with me to see if they're relaxed or agitated.
"Oz described his philosophy to The New Yorker: "I want no more barriers between patient and medicine. I would take us all back a thousand years, when our ancestors lived in small villages and there was always a healer in that village."

Tip: A person who has made peace with his God, ready and willing to sacrifice his life may look relaxed and content right before....also could look agitated. Best to flip a coin.

RickeyD 06-14-2016 05:08 PM
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Originally Posted by outlaw (Post 1241152)
"Oz described his philosophy to The New Yorker: "I want no more barriers between patient and medicine. I would take us all back a thousand years, when our ancestors lived in small villages and there was always a healer in that village."

Tip: A person who has made peace with his God, ready and willing to sacrifice his life may look relaxed and content right before....also could look agitated. Best to flip a coin.
Your supposition is ridiculous. I know you to be intelligent based upon your historical thread responses on TOTV. Why allow illogical emotions lead to less than intelligent responses on this one.

outlaw 06-14-2016 06:18 PM
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Originally Posted by RickeyD (Post 1241174)
Your supposition is ridiculous. I know you to be intelligent based upon your historical thread responses on TOTV. Why allow illogical emotions lead to less than intelligent responses on this one.
I sorta see Dr Oz as a snake oil salesman, but I may be wrong about that. That's just what I've concluded based on a few articles.

Taltarzac725 06-14-2016 06:22 PM
Fasting Muslims Donate Blood for Orlando Victims -- The Cut

Here is an article on the point of the thread.

And another one-- After Orlando shooting, Muslim Americans show support for victims

outlaw 06-14-2016 06:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Taltarzac725 (Post 1240563)
What is your point?

outlaw 06-14-2016 06:27 PM
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Originally Posted by Taltarzac725 (Post 1241228)
I believe that is the same muslim that was mentioned before. So far two articles on one muslim giving blood. There are over 27,000 muslims in Orlando.

ColdNoMore 06-14-2016 07:12 PM
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Originally Posted by blueash (Post 1241102)
Who gets to define "our ways"? Those pesky Amish, wearing clothes covering their bodies, speaking in a semi-English tongue, refusing to modernize instead practicing an 18th century faith, refusing to fight for America but still getting all the benefits. Those Jews wearing their beards and curly sideburns, refusing to dress like we do, asking for special privileges like their own holidays and litigating against "our" faith. And those pushy Catholics, insisting their interpretation of the Bible be the proper one, all the tax deductions they get and fighting birth control so they can take over by over-reproducing children just like the Mexicans (also they're Catholic, see proof). And those Native Americans, the worst. Demanding their own territories, refusing taxation, having all those casinos and no cigarette taxes. Especially those people. They should go back where they came from. and don't come back. And the Cubans, ruined Miami, and the Negroes.. nothing but trouble, one way boat ticket home for them.

It gets tricky unless I give you the right to separate the They from the Us. Sadly I think I'm in the They group if you get to do the separation

And so I ask, how many of these not like "us" people do you want to get rid of, and don't let come back? Gustav Emil Martin Niemöller suggests a successful plan is first get rid of Communists, then Socialists, then ...
You just pizzed off a whole rash of intolerant folks. :boom:


CONGRATS!!!!



:BigApplause:.....:BigApplause:.....:BigApplause:. .....:BigApplause:

graciegirl 06-14-2016 07:30 PM
In this world, we must warn the small children against those that would harm them and try to point out that mostly good people live in this world.

In this world, we must accept the fact that evil does exist and certain groups would like to see every American dead.

In this world with many differences, more here than in most countries, we still must identify those with harm as their goal and name them.

Define the problem. It is the shooter not the weapon that we should fear most.

ColdNoMore 06-14-2016 07:41 PM
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Originally Posted by RickeyD (Post 1241174)
Why allow illogical emotions lead to less than intelligent responses on this one.
Along those same lines, I am always astonished at the number of people who are so fearful and obsessed with being killed by some religious zealot.

When the truth of the matter is, statistically you are much more likely to die from one of the old drivers around here, that should have long ago had their licenses pulled.

Or a young driver.

Or ANY driver.

BUT, for some reason there is this inexplicable, outsized fear of these terrorists who have hijacked a religion to justify their barbarism.

And don’t anyone try and twist this to read that I think terrorism isn’t one of the most despicable acts that human beings can do to each other…because I do believe that.

Regardless of their stated justification.

BUT, given that you are MUCH more likely to die in an automobile (or numerous other situations as noted below), there is definitely something else besides common sense going on here. :shrug:

Obviously with this tragedy in Orlando these numbers will change (IF it was actually an extremist religious act and not just a hatred of gays and his own sexuality), but the basic point will not change enough to even be statistically meaningful.

So all of you overweight, obese and alcohol drinking folks out there that are terrified of Muslim/religious extremists, why aren’t you as concerned about what you keep shoving in your mouth and down your throat? :confused:

The Terrorism Statistics Every American Needs to Hear | Global Research - Centre for Research on Globalization

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Wikipedia notes that obesity is a a contributing factor in 100,000–400,000 deaths in the United States per year. That makes obesity 5,882 to times 23,528 more likely to kill you than a terrorist.

The CDC says that some 80,000 deaths each year are attributable to excessive alcohol use. So you’re 4,706 times more likely to drink yourself to death than die from terrorism.

Sandtrap328 06-14-2016 07:49 PM
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Originally Posted by leftyf (Post 1240341)
Right now I just need a hug from the Muslim people. I can't help but wonder, of all of the blood donors for the Orlando shooting, how many were Muslims?
How many of the posters from the Political Forum of TOTV were blood donors for the victims of the Pulse nightclub?

I do know that there were so many donors at The Villages Oneblood that extra help had to be called.

Taltarzac725 06-14-2016 08:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Sandtrap328 (Post 1241282)
How many of the posters from the Political Forum of TOTV were blood donors for the victims of the Pulse nightclub?

I do know that there were so many donors at The Villages Oneblood that extra help had to be called.
I have donated 11.375 gallons now at One Blood since 2007.

I only know maybe 75 TOTVers in real life so I have no idea if I have seen any of these at any various blood donation centers.

I do post in the Political Forum and it should not be hard to tell that it is me. A lot of 224 613 Project related stuff.

Ramadan is for fasting I believe so donating blood would be a problem for a very strict Muslim. Donate blood during Ramadan | The National

I have heard of donors passing out if they have not eaten enough before donating. Why do people faint when getting blood drawn? | Physics Forums - The Fusion of Science and Community

I am a rather loose Lutheran. I go to church when I feel like it. I do love visiting Cathedrals though.

leftyf 06-15-2016 08:09 AM
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Originally Posted by Sandtrap328 (Post 1241282)
How many of the posters from the Political Forum of TOTV were blood donors for the victims of the Pulse nightclub?

I do know that there were so many donors at The Villages Oneblood that extra help had to be called.
Since I donate platelets every 2 weeks, I cannot donate to any blood drive, no matter what it is for. It would just delay my platelet donations.

My original thoughts on this threads were, IF the Muslims had showed up by the hundreds to donate blood to these gay victims, it would have sent a message to the ISIS terrorists that the Muslims support the US, not ISIS. That's the way to defeat ISIS, not by hiding them.

Taltarzac725 06-15-2016 08:15 AM
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Originally Posted by leftyf (Post 1241410)
Since I donate platelets every 2 weeks, I cannot donate to any blood drive, no matter what it is for. It would just delay my platelet donations.

My original thoughts on this threads were, IF the Muslims had showed up by the hundreds to donate blood to these gay victims, it would have sent a message to the ISIS terrorists that the Muslims support the US, not ISIS. That's the way to defeat ISIS, not by hiding them.
It is Ramadan so it would be hard for a lot of Muslims to donate because they are busy fasting.

I would expect that Muslims donate blood as often as say Catholics, Jews, or Lutherans do. Blood donations: religious and non-religious are equally generous

outlaw 06-15-2016 08:17 AM
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Originally Posted by ColdNoMore (Post 1241278)
Along those same lines, I am always astonished at the number of people who are so fearful and obsessed with being killed by some religious zealot.

When the truth of the matter is, statistically you are much more likely to die from one of the old drivers around here, that should have long ago had their licenses pulled.

Or a young driver.

Or ANY driver.

BUT, for some reason there is this inexplicable, outsized fear of these terrorists who have hijacked a religion to justify their barbarism.

And don’t anyone try and twist this to read that I think terrorism isn’t one of the most despicable acts that human beings can do to each other…because I do believe that.

Regardless of their stated justification.

BUT, given that you are MUCH more likely to die in an automobile (or numerous other situations as noted below), there is definitely something else besides common sense going on here. :shrug:

Obviously with this tragedy in Orlando these numbers will change (IF it was actually an extremist religious act and not just a hatred of gays and his own sexuality), but the basic point will not change enough to even be statistically meaningful.

So all of you overweight, obese and alcohol drinking folks out there that are terrified of Muslim/religious extremists, why aren’t you as concerned about what you keep shoving in your mouth and down your throat? :confused:

The Terrorism Statistics Every American Needs to Hear | Global Research - Centre for Research on Globalization
You forgot to mention that global climate change is the biggest threat to our security.

outlaw 06-15-2016 08:24 AM
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Originally Posted by Taltarzac725 (Post 1241412)
It is Ramadan so it would be hard for a lot of Muslims to donate because they are busy fasting.

I would expect that Muslims donate blood as often as say Catholics, Jews, or Lutherans do. Blood donations: religious and non-religious are equally generous
I would expect muslims to donate very little, if any, blood to help the LGBT community. But I only say that because of their track record towards LGBTs in muslim controlled countries. Not to mention the numerous videos of imams and muslim guest speakers, enjoying our freedom of speech, advocating death for LGBTs in our country.

Taltarzac725 06-15-2016 08:27 AM
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Originally Posted by outlaw (Post 1241418)
I would expect muslims to donate very little, if any, blood to help the LGBT community. But I only say that because of their track record towards LGBTs in muslim controlled countries. Not to mention the numerous videos of imams and muslim guest speakers, enjoying our freedom of speech, advocating death for LGBTs in our country.
You do not know where your blood is going when you donate. It could go to anyone who needed it.

You are right that there is a very serious problem with hatred of gays within the Muslim religion but you will also find this hatred still in many parts of the United States.

Homophobia - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

outlaw 06-15-2016 08:36 AM
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Originally Posted by Taltarzac725 (Post 1241423)
You do not know where your blood is going when you donate. I could go to anyone who needed it.

You are right that there is a very serious problem with hatred of gays within the Muslim religion but you will also find this hatred still in many parts of the United States.

Homophobia - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
I honestly don't see this hatred in "many parts of the US". I do see non-acceptance/disapproval of the lifestyle, to each his own.


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