Hate Crimes Against LGBT People Are Sadly Common | FiveThirtyEight

Gays/lesbians have a rather high percentage of being victims/survivors of hate crimes in the United States.

Doesn't take many events in an extremely small population to make a significant statistical incidence.

That's because Attorney General Holder disallowed any prosecutions of hate crimes against white hetero men. Thus the FBI stats are worthless in this regard.

In light of the orlando tragedy, and the discussions of "radicalization", I thought some would find this video interesting, and others may find it enlightening.

Norwegian Islamic Leader Fahad Qureshi: All Muslims Believe in Death Penalty for Homosexuals - YouTube

Islam Net - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

OK. So that is a group in Norway that has those views. That does not follow then to say that all or even most Muslims in Orlando share these views.

Most Muslims do NOT want to kill the infidels. Just Ask Islam - Does Islam Say: "Kill The Infidels"? Only the extremists, who represent a tiny portion of the Muslim population in the world. As others have said, do not judge the whole religion by the actions of the few. I won't judge the Christian religion by the actions of the Christian right i.e. those who bomb abortion clinics and kill abortion doctors. And as far as hatred of gays by Muslims, do you really think the other religions are much better? A person who used to be a friend of ours is a big time Catholic. He is a racist bigot and hates gays. And he sings in the church choir and thinks he is really on high moral ground because he goes to Church so often. As far as I'm concerned, people that that are complete hypocrites.

Gays have been discriminated against for centuries by all cultures, including our own, and are only beginning to gain acceptance.

Your friend Mickey...is a POS, but he didn't kill any gay people. AND there is no doctrine in The Baltimore Catechism that taught him to hate gays. AND yes I do. I think the other religions are much better in their teachings about homosexuality. No other one encourages death.

Thank God that science has unlocked the human genome and we can now see that a persons sexual orientation is born with them.

I guess you didn't read the link. Islam does not encourage death either, just the extremists. And yes, our former friend is a POS, but it was people like him that have killed others, in the supposed name of Christianity. From the crusades, to witch hunts, killing of native Americans, Christianity has a clear history of killing non-Christians.

One entry, among many on homosexuality, in the online, searchable Catechism of the Catholic Church.

See, especially, Section 2358:

Catechism of the Catholic Church

Not to mention that you also said.... "used to be a friend of ours" ...which makes it pretty clear that he's no longer your friend.

And although you didn't actually spell it out (maybe you need to for some folks?), anyone with average intelligence could have figured out why he was no longer your friend.

BTW, I have seen the same thing and had exactly the same experiences with some of my EX, hypocritical Christian friends. :thumbup:

"He is a racist bigot and hates gays." Translation: He thinks homosexual behavior is immoral.

When did science discover this "gay" gene?

"Samantha Allen at The Daily Beast pointing to the murky history of conclusive evidence for any genetic causation.
She writes: “If it’s hard to get excited about these studies, it’s because, at this point, biological explanations for homosexuality are like iPhones—a new one comes out every year.”

Just like Darwin's theory of Evolution being an accepted piece of scientific data so is a person is born with their sexual orientation.

Translation - he hates blacks, and he hates gays.

Thank you - you nailed it ! Interesting you made the same choice in friends. My thought is, life is too short to deal with that type of hate. I like to be around positive, progressive people.

Darwin's theory is a theory, not data. Just like the big bang theory; also not data. As far as I know, in spite of huge efforts to find this gay gene, there is still no proof to this day.

Remember, not all muslims are haters. I'm actually surprised you would use that phrase.

I am talking about haters of Muslims which is probably a very small group who call themselves Good Christians while doing so.

The 'gay Gene' Debate | Assault On Gay America | FRONTLINE | PBS

The science is not there for a gay gene premise.

They haven't...yet.


That doesn't mean it doesn't exist however.


Do you by any chance recall at what age you were, when you made the conscious choice to be sexually attracted to the opposite sex and not the same sex?


Point made. :boom:

Just how does one get the opportunity to descriminate against gays. Average person just dies not care. I saw a lot of gay people in my long business career and not a single instance of descrimination.

I remember being in love with Donna Reed at the age of 6 [emoji174]


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oic. :shocked:

Nancy Sinatra around 9. :D

Probably when I tried to kiss Sheila D. in 5th Grade.

I guess I associated with people who really believed that no act of kindness, however small is appreciated. They walked the walk instead of talking the talk. Slogans are nice but only actions are meaningful.

Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual and Transgender Pride Month | Law Library of Congress

This might be of some help with respect to employment discrimination against gays. The fear of A.I.D.S. probably sparked quite a bit of this in certain professions where blood might be exchanged like the medical fields.

LGBT employment discrimination in the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I knew a gay law librarian while at the University of Minnesota and he did seem to have some problems finding a job if he was open about his being gay. Nice man. He helped me a lot when I was going through painful realities at the American Association of Law Libraries summer convention in New Orleans in 1991. My problem was I wanted to be honest about my keen desire to help survivors/victims of crimes based on my personal experiences with the 2-24-1976 Michelle Mitchell murder investigation from February 28, 1976 through 1985 or so.

Seriously?

There are a plethora of ways, both covert and overt to do it.


Sorry, but history says your wrong.

It's only been in recent years, that gays have made inroads into even coming close to some type of equality.


Wit all due respect, anecdotal observations doesn't mean it isn't/wasn't happening.

It could be that you either didn't want to notice it, or that it was so subtle that you didn't pick up on it.

Nonsense, I am not very naive, spending my entire business career in NY. Gays were always treated equally.

Hope people will consider donating blood, platelets, plasma, or red blood cells either here in the Villages or in their snow bird residence.

Been doing it since 1985 or so and I will admit I was trying to impress a girl-- Sandy McGee-- when I did. This was in Belmont, CA which is about 8 miles north of Stanford University close to El Camino Real.

Ran into the woman who looked quite a bit like a drawing I had done around 1975 which Mrs. Barbara Mitchell had seen at my art show at Earl Wooster High School in the Spring of 1976. Mrs. Barbara Mitchell told me it reminded her of Michelle Mitchell. Suspected California serial killer in prison most of life - Elkhart Truth

The woman that looked like the drawing of a model I did from some magazine was a salesperson at Information Access Company who donated blood as well.

Later in 1992 at the American Association of Law Libraries summer convention in San Francisco I ran into this woman from IAC while she was being mistaken by one of my U of MN Law School Class of 1989 Classmates for another one of my U of MN Law School Classmates who also oddly looked quite a bit like that drawing of the model in the magazine I did in 1975.

The law librarian at the San Francisco 1992 convention did figure out that this was just a doppelganger of our fellow U of MN Law School Class of 1989 member who would eventually become one of the top Immigration Lawyers in California. This now top Immigration Lawyer in 1986-1989 anyway seemed like a very caring and extremely intelligent lady. I worked along side her in Legal Assistance to Minnesota Prisoners (L.A.M.P.) when she had the office across the walkway from the LAMP Minnesota Correctional Facility--Stillwater office and I must admit I had a very serious crush on the woman because of this kindness and steel trap like mind. Wishing her the best in life still. The drawing though also had that affect on me as I saw that she looked like this 1975 model the first time I saw her in Professor Cound's Civil Procedure Class around September of 1986. Or maybe this was January of 1987. I cannot remember if the Civil Procedure Class was two Semesters or one and when it started the First Year of Law School. Curriculum & Requirements | University of Minnesota Law School

The facts suggest otherwise.



Maybe, just maybe, in your little microcosm of the world you don't think you ever saw gays being discriminated against, but it most assuredly happened.

Did your company offer equal benefits and treat gay couples exactly as they did heterosexual couples?

Given the fact that gay couples could not legally marry in New York (thereby allowing a gay spouse equal rights) until 2011, your statement is false from the beginning.

Discrimination can be very subtle if you have very savvy people doing it. I faced a great deal of not very subtle and some that was while fighting for practical information for survivors/victims of crimes accessibility through or in libraries from January 1991 onward. This was while aggressively looking for work in any library from around Spring of 1991 through 2004 or so. After the SLAPP (Strategic Lawsuit Against Public Participation) Threat from the Palm Harbor Library General Counsel dated March 2, 2004 on behalf of Palm Harbor Library Director Gene Coppola; I just kind of threw in the towel. I was fighting for a link to the Florida Victim Services Directory from all kinds of FL libraries and I called out Gene Coppola for lying about this link's disappearance-- except via the Lemon Law web-site-- in many e-mails. I used to send out hundreds of e-mails every day on this 224 613 Project. And many were admittedly very strange because of the tactics I was facing from some people. We did move out of Palm Harbor, FL so the lawsuit threat became moot. We moved to the Villages in June of 2005.

The Florida Victim Services Directory probably had LGBT resources on it. Victim Services

Directory

I have mentioned this Directory here on-and-off since coming on TOTV in July 2007. You can get it easily by Googling "victim services and Florida" but libraries having this link would be a sign of welcome for survivors/victims of crimes including those of the LGBT community. Gary Corsair then a Villages Daily Sun reporter did a story on this passion of mine for the Directory and its link to Villages' area libraries on Memorial Day in 2007.

What discrimination did you face? What victim class are identifying with?

This whole issue is very complicated, and has something to do with our own sexual makeup and the very strong sexual urges that make it possible to continue the human race. Although intellectually and morally most heterosexuals understand homosexuality, many men in particular can't seem to overcome some form of repugnance with the feminine behavior of some gay men. I think on some deep level it is emotionally confusing and contradicts what they are wired to feel. Political correctness is an accepted form of behavior like the manners we are taught when we are uncomfortable or feeling upset or confused, we squelch our somewhat conflicted feelings and do and act how we have been taught is appropriate and kind.

I have never tried to explain my thoughts and feelings on this before and I mean no hurt or harm to my gay friends or to anyone. We all are what we are meant to be and we all must try to accept differences in each other on all levels and never hurt someone else if we can help it.

I think life is far less confusing and a little easier to live when our hormone levels drop as we age. (But not as much fun)

That is a wise post graciegirl.

I worked among gays/lesbians near San Francisco as well as in Minneapolis. I did get hit on way too often by a gay neighbor in Belmont in 1984-1986. He did make me quite uncomfortable. I bought some of his furniture because he was very hard up for money. He was from Guam and interesting to talk too except when hitting on me. I did get some respect though for what women have to put up with some men and their flirting and/or unwanted attention.

I am very comfortable talking to lesbian women but gay men is still another matter. It really depends on the individual gay man though. And often there is no way to tell that a man is gay unless he wants you to know he is.

I have enjoyed talking to the maybe five lesbian couples I have met here in the Villages since June 2005.

I had a false friend at the University of Minnesota Law School-- he was also an African American and bi-sexual-- who was quite a problem in my Third Year of Law School. His harassment and inside jokes were quite a lot to bear but he never had done anything bad enough to warrant an investigation and/or expulsion. He was the reason why one woman dropped out of law school in her First Year according to some friends in law school I talked to after I went to them about what I could and should do about his behavior.

Well said. If you haven't "walked in someone's moccasins", you really have no idea what they're up against, whether it is gays, women, blacks, etc. The discrimination can be so subtle, yet so far reaching, it can have a profound impact on one's life.

People who hate are easily spotted. Perhaps they can't change. There are not solutions to all problems, sadly. Sometimes we cannot make laws, or enforce commandments already in place to make people behave respectfully to each other. Sometimes we all have to play the hand we're dealt. Overcoming adversity and challenges is the best way to get our points across and to make the world accept us and respect us and even love us.

I think if you read back twenty posts on anyone who posts on this forum, a picture emerges of their basic attitude. For some it is always negative, for some it is a know it all attitude. (That would be me)

You have a very positive attitude about the Villages, graciegirl. That's great.

I have enjoyed the almost eleven years we have lived in the Villages and it has been a quiet safe place to work on my 224 613 Project. And I believe I have made wonderful strides with this mainly because of my being here in the Villages. Google Taltarzac725 if anyone has forgotten about what this involves-- mainly the now 40 year murder investigation in the slaying of Michelle Mitchell near the University of Nevada, Reno on my birthday of 2-24-1976 when I was one of her mother Barbara Mitchell's teacher pets at Earl Wooster High School. It does look like they have the right suspect in Rodney Halbower now. City of Reno : Newsroom Halbower seems to be the main suspect in about 6 to 9 other murders as well in various states. Rodney Halbower charged in two of the 1976 California "Gypsy Hill" murders - CBS News