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jimjamuser 10-06-2021 02:14 PM
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Originally Posted by jammaiora (Post 2013281)
Stop whining! Yesterday was too soon, today is correct. Point being, if you are around vaccinated people you are safer to socialize. If you are not with vaccinated people, it's best, for your health and safety, not to socialize with or around them. Common sense!
IMO We should form clubs of the vaxxed residents and have our own times for pool shooting, swimming pool use, card clubs, investment clubs, indoor volleyball, water volleyball, and vaccinate EVERYTHING. Even whole leagues of golf, tennis, pickleball, softball, and ETC! Corporations are moving that way - some will be vaccinated and some may be evangelical corporations of the UNvaxxed. Some whole countries are HIGHLY vaccinated like Portugal (98%). And there will be more like that !!!!!! And yes, if I had the cash and the family agreement and Portugal would let me in - I would be OUTTA here on the 1st plane or boat. I could rent there until all the UNvaxxed people in the US have gone - " to graveyards everyone". I wonder if my buddy Bezos would yacht me there? Portugal that is, not to graveyards.

jimjamuser 10-06-2021 02:59 PM
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Originally Posted by Byte1 (Post 2013375)
I never watch Tucker's show, but last night I was browsing channels and happen to stop on it just as he was beginning his opening assault on Fauci. I watched it for a while because I thought it very interesting and entertaining. I didn't see any fault in what he said, but then again that may be in the eyes of the beholder. I haven't watched FOX for a long time, and rarely watch any of the left sided media news(?)/propaganda networks either, other than the local news to hear the weather report in the morning.
In my opinion, Fauci brings on the attacks, by being available for cretins to grill him until he makes a controversial comment. To be honest with you, I have never liked what the man has said, and even less how he has spoken politically. If he is truly linked to subsidizing the covid studies in Wuhan, I give him partial blame for this mess we are enduring right now. That said, I do not know him personally. If he was as smart as he says he is, then he would keep his mouth shut and let the CDC speak about this mess instead of him.
If 40% of the US population were 1/2 as smart as DOCTOR Fauci, that would give them an IQ of around 100 and THEN and only then would we have a 98% CV vaccination rate (probably last year)! And our US CV problem would be a distant memory! Also, we would have National Health Care. We would have an average citizen's wealth as high as Switzerland and Finland. WE would be higher than 30th in the world in "Quality of Life". We would all be about 2 inches taller. We would have put racism to rest (RIP) about 1985. We would be living the "life of Reily" (an old expression). We would all be driving electric cars and trucks and NEVER any smelly, stinky, noisy gas-infernal combustion Golf Cars! And driverless A.I. vehicles would be on the streets!
.... and I could keep up that dream world, but we traded all that so that certain people could pay less income and property taxes and not bother to support upward mobility and education - because they got theirs and to h*l* with you! And anytime a middle class develops or gets stronger they just knock it back down by bringing more ignoramuses immigrants into USA-Land!
.... And THAT is how you use science to improve America. You heard it 1st here....sports fans

JMintzer 10-06-2021 03:37 PM
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Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 2013897)
I would be fine with one xmas day for the Vaccinated and their family get-togethers. Then, another day for the recalcitrant anti-vaxxers and their families. It is the smushing together of the Vaccinated and the non-vaccinated that is causing all the problems in the US - whether that is at church, sports events, or anywhere! Portugal does NOT have that problem; they are 98% vaccinated. That is to dream for!
Why do you keep repeating that false information?

Red Rose 10-06-2021 03:37 PM
Except for you? Why is that? Plus your run on sentence sounds like all of you didn't get together. That's why the responder said that's sad.

JMintzer 10-06-2021 03:43 PM
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Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 2013921)
By THAT logic, Portugal must have gone communist without our knowledge, because Portugal has a 98% CV vaccination rate!
No they do not. They have an 84% rate. I've shown you the proof, yet you insist on perpetuating misinformation. Why is that?

JMintzer 10-06-2021 03:44 PM
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Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 2013933)
IMO We should form clubs of the vaxxed residents and have our own times for pool shooting, swimming pool use, card clubs, investment clubs, indoor volleyball, water volleyball, and vaccinate EVERYTHING. Even whole leagues of golf, tennis, pickleball, softball, and ETC! Corporations are moving that way - some will be vaccinated and some may be evangelical corporations of the UNvaxxed. Some whole countries are HIGHLY vaccinated like Portugal (98%). And there will be more like that !!!!!! And yes, if I had the cash and the family agreement and Portugal would let me in - I would be OUTTA here on the 1st plane or boat. I could rent there until all the UNvaxxed people in the US have gone - " to graveyards everyone". I wonder if my buddy Bezos would yacht me there? Portugal that is, not to graveyards.
Again with that lie...

jimjamuser 10-06-2021 03:48 PM
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Originally Posted by GrumpyOldMan (Post 2013448)
That would be YOUR opinion. But, you are certainly entitled to you opinion.
I agree and let's look at the opinions of DEAD BODIES !!!!!!! In Florida, in 10 months 55,000 Florida citizens have died. In 10 years of the US fighting in Vietnam, we lost 58,000 American soldiers........ SOMETHING is going on here
.......and what it is
is definitely clear
.......There is a man over there
saying step out of
that vaccination line

jimjamuser 10-06-2021 03:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Wyseguy (Post 2013471)
Too many of the "Just Obey" fear spreaders are nasty. We can pray for them to escape the darkness and divisiveness.
I'd like to know if "just obey" is a motto of a new dark web media site? Or is it new teenage slang?

jimjamuser 10-06-2021 04:05 PM
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Originally Posted by GrumpyOldMan (Post 2013624)
Do you live in a black and white world? Is everything 100% or zero? Because that is how your posts sound.
If thw UNvaccinated get CV (with the new Delta variant) they are LIKELY to be painfully hospitalized and die or have LONG-TERM CV. If the vaccinated get it (a very small number) they avoid the hospital and do NOT die. To die or NOT to die, that is the question - whether is better to exist in an unreal Science-denying world or get your vaccine and show off that big BRAIN of yours.

jimjamuser 10-06-2021 04:08 PM
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Originally Posted by twinklesweep (Post 2013642)
Let’s see: President Trump and Governor DeSantis (cited as public figures, not politically) have been vaccinated. Prominent businessman Herman Cain (cited for the same reason—a noted figure) was not vaccinated. Who is/was safer?




What utter insensitivity! To dismiss the lives of 1.5% of Covid victims as though they are insignificant because the percent is relatively small, and the devastation to their family members for the same reason, is shocking. We hear enough stories of “tune changing” when this dreadful disease hits home, at which point it’s too late. And this doesn’t even address long-term health issues of Covid survivors (who will perhaps also be dismissed as insignificant because, at least as far as we know at this point, the percentage is also small). How terribly sad for those affected!
The Florida governor got vaccinated early on!

jimjamuser 10-06-2021 04:15 PM
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Originally Posted by jswirs (Post 2013676)
Education is non-congruent with intelligence. I've seen far too many over educated, egotistical people, in life as well as on this forum, that, because they have some initials behind their names, they seem to suffer from some sort of a "superiority complex".

Common sense and pragmatic thinking is all that is needed to understand any of these post.
Education attainment is non-linearly correlated to intelligence. Non-congruent means something else.

jimjamuser 10-06-2021 04:26 PM
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Originally Posted by golfing eagles (Post 2013890)
See previous post with email. He obviously was 100% correct about the efficacy of masks. And yes, we have used paper masks for decades---TO PROTECT THE PATIENT, NOT OURSELVES!. We use a completely different set of PPE when dealing with something that we could catch, like meningococcus.

And while on the subject, there have been any number of posters that are piling on Tony Fauci like he is the bad guy. To all of you that think that, you have no idea what you are talking about, and I don't care what you read on which conspiracy web site. Do you know him? Have you had dinner with him several times? Have you talked with him for an hour or two? If not, you need to zip it. If you had, you would have a better idea of what Tony is all about.
I agree with the content of this post!

Byte1 10-06-2021 05:18 PM
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Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 2013973)
If thw UNvaccinated get CV (with the new Delta variant) they are LIKELY to be painfully hospitalized and die or have LONG-TERM CV. If the vaccinated get it (a very small number) they avoid the hospital and do NOT die. To die or NOT to die, that is the question - whether is better to exist in an unreal Science-denying world or get your vaccine and show off that big BRAIN of yours.
Not true. If you look at the stats on infections today and the death rate, you will see how far off you are. And now with the treatment available, there has been a 50% decrease in hospitalizations in Florida. That's "science" and no one is "denying" it.

ithos 10-06-2021 05:23 PM
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Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 2013985)
I agree with the content of this post!
You see that thumbs up symbol at the bottom of the post? That will convey the same message.

SkBlogW 10-06-2021 05:44 PM
Someone ate too many paint chips as a kid.

OrangeBlossomBaby 10-06-2021 05:46 PM
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Originally Posted by golfing eagles (Post 2013890)
See previous post with email. He obviously was 100% correct about the efficacy of masks. And yes, we have used paper masks for decades---TO PROTECT THE PATIENT, NOT OURSELVES!. We use a completely different set of PPE when dealing with something that we could catch, like meningococcus.

And while on the subject, there have been any number of posters that are piling on Tony Fauci like he is the bad guy. To all of you that think that, you have no idea what you are talking about, and I don't care what you read on which conspiracy web site. Do you know him? Have you had dinner with him several times? Have you talked with him for an hour or two? If not, you need to zip it. If you had, you would have a better idea of what Tony is all about.
The bold underlined part is why sometimes your posts about masks frustrates me.

Masks protect people. Even paper masks protect people. You just said so in this post. No, my paper mask is not likely to offer much (if any) significant protection TO me against your germs. But it is very likely to offer much significant protection FROM my germs against you.

If we are both wearing paper masks, and talking to each other, we have twice the thickness of protection between us, which adds even more protection - including SOME protection to me against you, and to you against me.

That's why paper masks have been and continue to be the recommendation for us "commoner" folk. Indoors, inside buildings other than your own, masks will help. They will help a whole lot if everyone is doing it. Less so if only a few are doing it. Not at all if no one is doing it.

SkBlogW 10-06-2021 05:55 PM
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Originally Posted by golfing eagles (Post 2013885)
And what he stated in that email is 110% correct, both at that time and today. Yes, I know there are still some people who think they are protecting themselves with a mask, for them ignorance is bliss. So just what is the criticism of Fauci that that email was supposed to prove??? I don't see anything at all.
Duh I was responding to a poster who had concocted some fantasy that in early 2020 the CDC etc thought covid was spread only by fomites, implying that "the science" had changed and nobody knew before that covid spread through respitory droplets.

The Fauci email was used to show said fantasizer that Faici CDC etc knew very early in 2020 that the virus was spread through respiration and not just fomites.

Next time try reading carefully before jumping to conclusions. And yes, Fauci was accurate in the email, cloth and surgical masks don't do much at all, as I have always said. :icon_wink:

golfing eagles 10-06-2021 05:56 PM
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Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby (Post 2014015)
The bold underlined part is why sometimes your posts about masks frustrates me.

Masks protect people. Even paper masks protect people. You just said so in this post. No, my paper mask is not likely to offer much (if any) significant protection TO me against your germs. But it is very likely to offer much significant protection FROM my germs against you.

If we are both wearing paper masks, and talking to each other, we have twice the thickness of protection between us, which adds even more protection - including SOME protection to me against you, and to you against me.

That's why paper masks have been and continue to be the recommendation for us "commoner" folk. Indoors, inside buildings other than your own, masks will help. They will help a whole lot if everyone is doing it. Less so if only a few are doing it. Not at all if no one is doing it.
The post was in response to Fauci's email of 2/20---where he essentially stated that a mask is of little use to protect yourself but much better at protecting others from you. I 110% agree with him. The person who posted that did not understand what Fauci was writing and was trying to use that statement against him, for whatever reason.

Now, universal masking has the benefit of protecting people from each other, although I disagree that having 2 masks increases the protection for the wearer to any extent. But contrary to all the anti-vaxxers that just love to repeat the false claim that vaccinated people can spread the virus just as easily as the unvaccinated---not false because they can't , but false because they do it at a substantially lower rate than the unvaccinated, masks might help to curtail that spread.

golfing eagles 10-06-2021 05:59 PM
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Originally Posted by SkBlogW (Post 2014020)
Duh I was responding to a poster who had concocted some fantasy that in early 2020 the CDC etc thought covid was spread only by fomites, implying that "the science" had changed and nobody knew before that covid spread through respitory droplets.

The Fauci email was used to show said fantasizer that Faici CDC etc knew very early in 2020 that the virus was spread through respiration and not just fomites.

Next time try reading carefully before jumping to conclusions. And yes, Fauci was accurate in the email, cloth and surgical masks don't do much at all, as I have always said. :icon_wink:
I'm pretty sure I understood the post. I'll admit I only addressed the mask aspect, since it is pretty clear to most medical professionals that coronaviruses are most likely spread by aerosols or go airborne, not by fomites, and Fauci knows that better than almost all of us.

PS: next time you can skip the "duh", I very much doubt it will ever apply to me.

Byte1 10-06-2021 05:59 PM
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Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby (Post 2014015)
The bold underlined part is why sometimes your posts about masks frustrates me.

Masks protect people. Even paper masks protect people. You just said so in this post. No, my paper mask is not likely to offer much (if any) significant protection TO me against your germs. But it is very likely to offer much significant protection FROM my germs against you.

If we are both wearing paper masks, and talking to each other, we have twice the thickness of protection between us, which adds even more protection - including SOME protection to me against you, and to you against me.

That's why paper masks have been and continue to be the recommendation for us "commoner" folk. Indoors, inside buildings other than your own, masks will help. They will help a whole lot if everyone is doing it. Less so if only a few are doing it. Not at all if no one is doing it.
I suppose some wish the mask to be a mandated future attire. To protect "others" from catching the virus, the Flu, a common cold, etc. Sorry, but I haven't worn my mask since the second week after I received my vaccination.
Like I said before, if that bothers anyone then they can stay home. And I have never had the flu so I do not get the flu shot. So, during flu season and you all wish to wear you masks, go for it. I have no intention of wearing one. If that makes you think that I am bad, then so be it. If I ever feel threatened by a contagious disease, I have a military gas mask that I will wear, not a useless piece of paper or a spare sock.

JMintzer 10-06-2021 06:11 PM
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Originally Posted by ithos (Post 2014006)
You see that thumbs up symbol at the bottom of the post? That will convey the same message.
But not so EVERYBODY will see it and get the attention one seeks...

thelegges 10-06-2021 06:39 PM
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Originally Posted by Carla B (Post 2013514)
The issue is your post (number 4) left out the pertinent info (family works in health care). Posters can't be expected to know all about posters. Especially when using more than one screen name.
There were 7 poster on TOTV who’s family’s are in healthcare, all but 2 have stopped posting, if you read the original post where exactly would one be exposed to HUNDREDS of people unless in a healthcare facility, or an essential worker. I only have one screen name, I use my real name, how about you.

Quote:
Originally Posted by kenoc7 (Post 2013716)
They are all covidiots.
It must be hard to read all the posts, before one calls people idiots.

Quote:
Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 2013906)
I disagree with the contents of this post. And good luck because a person can not play Russian Roulette forever!
Read all the posts then you can insert foot wherever you feel appropriate. The first post how exactly do you think that people are exposed to hundreds of unvaccinated people during the holidays, unless they were essential workers, cause they choose not to hide in their house like others. Yet they are still working, surviving, thriving. Yes some were lost, but it comes with the territory.

It is so much fun to watch people attack, belittle, call them idiots, or stupid when they really don’t have a clue, or just can’t comprehend a post.

Wishing they could read their OBIT wins the prize.

There are many healthcare workers that wish they could pick and choose who they would like to take care of. But sadly they don’t get that ability to choose.

They take all, including those who wish them dead.

jimjamuser 10-06-2021 09:50 PM
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Originally Posted by ithos (Post 2014006)
You see that thumbs up symbol at the bottom of the post? That will convey the same message.
Thanks for that. Someday I might tell, "the rest of the story".

jimjamuser 10-06-2021 09:53 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby (Post 2014015)
The bold underlined part is why sometimes your posts about masks frustrates me.

Masks protect people. Even paper masks protect people. You just said so in this post. No, my paper mask is not likely to offer much (if any) significant protection TO me against your germs. But it is very likely to offer much significant protection FROM my germs against you.

If we are both wearing paper masks, and talking to each other, we have twice the thickness of protection between us, which adds even more protection - including SOME protection to me against you, and to you against me.

That's why paper masks have been and continue to be the recommendation for us "commoner" folk. Indoors, inside buildings other than your own, masks will help. They will help a whole lot if everyone is doing it. Less so if only a few are doing it. Not at all if no one is doing it.
I agree with the content of this post.

jimjamuser 10-06-2021 09:56 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by golfing eagles (Post 2014021)
The post was in response to Fauci's email of 2/20---where he essentially stated that a mask is of little use to protect yourself but much better at protecting others from you. I 110% agree with him. The person who posted that did not understand what Fauci was writing and was trying to use that statement against him, for whatever reason.

Now, universal masking has the benefit of protecting people from each other, although I disagree that having 2 masks increases the protection for the wearer to any extent. But contrary to all the anti-vaxxers that just love to repeat the false claim that vaccinated people can spread the virus just as easily as the unvaccinated---not false because they can't , but false because they do it at a substantially lower rate than the unvaccinated, masks might help to curtail that spread.
Good post!

Two Bills 10-07-2021 03:54 AM
According to ECDC official figures.

Portugal
One dose vaccinated--98%
Two dose vaccinated--90.2%

COVID-19 Vaccine Tracker | European Centre for Disease Prevention and Control

PS. Denmark is actually better, with a 95% first and second vaccination rate.

Altavia 10-07-2021 06:11 AM
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For the infectious disease experts here, do other upper respiratory diseases ramp up and back down again as rapidly as CV?

Will this be the new normal for CV?

Dr Winston O Boogie jr 10-07-2021 09:37 AM
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Originally Posted by MSchad (Post 2013086)
Don’t understand the division. Vaxed or unvaxed, “science” proves both contract and pass the virus. If you and yours are healthy, enjoy your holidays with your loved ones. If you are sick stay home. Advice we have all followed and passed on for decades.
But that's not the whole story. Yes, if you vaccinated you can still contract and pass the virus. But vaccinated people that contract the virus will have milder symptoms than unvaccinated people.

To your second point, you can have the virus and pass it on even if you have no symptoms. Some people will never have any symptoms and other may have the virus in their system and still be able to pass it on for up to 14 days before they experience symptoms.

The vaccines are designed to limit hospitalizations and deaths. Not to prevent contracting the virus.

Unvaccinated people account for around 98%-99% of all deaths due to Covid-19.

That being said, less than 2% of all Covid cases result in death and less than 20% require hospitalization. Both of those number have been declining since the vaccines were introduced.

I don't tell anyone what to do but those are the number.

As for myself, I believe that the vaccine saved my life.

Byte1 10-07-2021 09:44 AM
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Originally Posted by JMintzer (Post 2014047)
I cannot fathom how people are STILL posting that lie...
Because rather than LISTEN to what was really said, they will parrot whatever they hear someone in the media that chooses to distort. Proves to us that the media is living rent free in their minds.

JMintzer 10-07-2021 10:26 AM
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Originally Posted by Two Bills (Post 2014064)
According to ECDC official figures.

Portugal
One dose vaccinated--98%
Two dose vaccinated--90.2%

COVID-19 Vaccine Tracker | European Centre for Disease Prevention and Control

PS. Denmark is actually better, with a 95% first and second vaccination rate.
Your own link states Portugal is now at 90% (FULLY VACCINATED). Last I checked, 90% does not equal 98%...

And according to this site...

prortugal vaccination rate - Google Search

84.7% fully vaccinated as of 10/5...

And Denmark? 85.6%

Denmark: the latest coronavirus counts, charts and maps

Bill14564 10-07-2021 11:33 AM
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Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 2013921)
By THAT logic, Portugal must have gone communist without our knowledge, because Portugal has a 98% CV vaccination rate!
Quote:
Originally Posted by JMintzer (Post 2013964)
No they do not. They have an 84% rate. I've shown you the proof, yet you insist on perpetuating misinformation. Why is that?
Quote:
Originally Posted by Two Bills (Post 2014064)
According to ECDC official figures.

Portugal
One dose vaccinated--98%
Two dose vaccinated--90.2%

COVID-19 Vaccine Tracker | European Centre for Disease Prevention and Control

PS. Denmark is actually better, with a 95% first and second vaccination rate.
Quote:
Originally Posted by JMintzer (Post 2014309)
Your own link states Portugal is now at 90% (FULLY VACCINATED). Last I checked, 90% does not equal 98%...

And according to this site...

prortugal vaccination rate - Google Search

84.7% fully vaccinated as of 10/5...

And Denmark? 85.6%

Denmark: the latest coronavirus counts, charts and maps
As fun as this back and forth is to watch, this can be put to bed if you would read the information on the page to see what the numbers represent.

According to the information on the pages, Portugal has fully vaccinated about 98% of those 18 and above. However, there are also people living in Portugal who are not yet 18 and if you consider those individuals, Portugal has vaccinated approximately 87% of the entire population.

CFrance 10-07-2021 11:45 AM
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Originally Posted by Bill14564 (Post 2014337)
As fun as this back and forth is to watch, this can be put to bed if you would read the information on the page to see what the numbers represent.

According to the information on the pages, Portugal has fully vaccinated about 98% of those 18 and above. However, there are also people living in Portugal who are not yet 18 and if you consider those individuals, Portugal has vaccinated approximately 87% of the entire population.
Well, we certainly wouldn't want all the facts to get in our way!

GrumpyOldMan 10-07-2021 11:49 AM
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Originally Posted by CFrance (Post 2014344)
Well, we certainly wouldn't want all the facts to get in our way!
Because, you know, giving someone the benefit of the doubt that maybe they made a mistake and missed the detail would be silly. much more fun to argue.

Two Bills 10-07-2021 01:17 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by JMintzer (Post 2014309)
Your own link states Portugal is now at 90% (FULLY VACCINATED). Last I checked, 90% does not equal 98%...

And according to this site...

prortugal vaccination rate - Google Search

84.7% fully vaccinated as of 10/5...

And Denmark? 85.6%

Denmark: the latest coronavirus counts, charts and maps
I give not a tinkers cuss what Portugal's numbers are.
I just posted the ECDC's data.
Over 18's or under, they are the EEC's collating body, unless of course, they are supposed to run all numbers past you first for approval.
In which case they obviously failed to do so, and a grave error has been committed, and I posted false information

Byte1 10-07-2021 01:39 PM
And the Villages has an 82% vaccinated.
I am glad that I cannot see the tantrums some of the posters are having every time they scream "get vaccinated!" "It is your PATRIOTIC duty to get vaccinated!" "If you do not get vaccinated, you are going to kill us all!"
And then the ones that say "If you don't get vaccinated, I hope you die!" "The hospitals should not treat you." "Because of you, our insurance is going up."
Such a great bunch of screamers.
Calm down folks. Most of the eligible folks in this area have been vaccinated (82%) and most of the others have already resistance to the virus due to surviving Covid.
If you are so excited about other countries, feel free to immigrate to those places and enjoy their socialized medicine.

Woodbear 10-08-2021 12:41 AM
And to think more people have died in 2021 when a vaccine was available than the majority of 2020 when none was approved.

rmd2 10-08-2021 07:47 AM
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Originally Posted by Bill14564 (Post 2013428)
It's doubtful the mask science changed. If anything, the mask science is more understood now but the general principles remain the same.

What changed, what you (intentionally?) neglected, was the threat. In 2019 the world was getting by just fine by adopting healthy habits and taking necessary vaccines. In 2020 Covid arrived in the US and the threat changed significantly. A different threat requires a different evaluation of mitigations.

Masks in a fully-vaccinated population are likely as unnecessary as they were in 2019. However, due to the continued efforts of some, we do not have a fully-vaccinated population and people are still dying at a rate of almost 2,000 per day.
With regard to mask use, Dr. Fauci admitted he said we didn't need to wear masks partly because there was a shortage of masks and healthcare workers needed the masks. That had nothing to do with science.

coffeebean 10-08-2021 09:44 PM
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Originally Posted by blueash (Post 2013018)
There is absolutely no change in what Dr Fauci said, just as there is no change in your constant attacks on a person who has devoted his life to combating disease. Statement one is about the nation as a whole, asking will the pandemic be over by Xmas. He honestly answers that we don't know yet. Will the anti-vax people see the light? Will a new strain emerge? Will hospitals continue to have to triage? Those kind of well informed questions lead Dr Fauci to his cautious answer.

The second statement is also clear. If you and your family are full vaccinated you can have a good normal Xmas. The unspoken part of that second statement is that if you and your family are not vaccinated then whether it is safe to gather is still unknown. So are you intentionally being obtuse or do you really not understand what is very clear to me in those two statements?

The science did NOT change. But science does improve knowledge with testing and evaluation in an ongoing manner. So if at some point the science does change that does not make an earlier statement wrong based on the information available at the time. However, when information is available it is the obligation of those who wish to claim the mantle of science to be up to date in their pronouncements. For those who are anti-science, ignorant, or incapable of understanding the literature and believe their own "opinions" about vaccines or deworming meds or social distancing, or masking should be taken seriously, just No to them.
WOW.......has the OP seen the amount of thanks for this post? I wish I could thank this post more than once. That's for sure.

coffeebean 10-08-2021 09:52 PM
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Originally Posted by jswirs (Post 2013109)
Yes, thank you. And don't you forget to put the bullets in chambers #1 and #6 for the next time you are crossing the street.
I was a child when I was taught to look both ways before crossing the street. I still do it to this day.

justjim 10-08-2021 10:17 PM
Delta variant
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Woodbear (Post 2014546)
And to think more people have died in 2021 when a vaccine was available than the majority of 2020 when none was approved.
I don’t suppose the difference has anything to do with the Delta variant. Nah..,


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