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Hi TH,
I am sad for your loss and for the fact that you family was let down when you most needed help and support. I hope in time your sadness and anger will recede, and you can take comfort and joy in your loving memories of your cousin. |
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Very sad but true state of the Holy Roman and Apostolic Church. I quit going in my early 20's when, after years of going to church in the school basement, the church was built and the next year they closed the school. . |
My deepest sympathy to you and your family.
It is a shame that the priest turn his back on your cousin in her time of need, but rest assured that she is now in Gods hands. |
TH I'm sorry for your loss and for the lack of compassion shown by a "man of God". I had to wait a couple of days before responding since this subject is a particular hot button for me. Needless to say the Catholic Church has let a great many people down. The Shepherd (Popes) have not protected their flock. At one time I was a novice in a convent studying to become a Nun. Eventually I left the convent but I've retained a love of the rituals of the church; I no longer consider myself a catholic but do consider myself a sprititual person. I've learned to take what I want from organized religions and leave the rest.
I know that your beloved cousin is at peace now and that her peace is no longer dependent on the whims of a particular person. |
At evening, Lord Jesus,
they brought the sick to you, and you healed them; day by day, Lord Jesus, you reached out to those who were ill, and you healed them; throughout your ministry on earth, Lord Jesus, you never turned away those who came to you in need, but you healed them and gave them new life. Hear us now, good Lord, as we turn to you in our need; be present with us and grant us the gift of healing and wholeness that we may rejoice in your love and give you glory. Amen. |
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JLK you have every right to be furious and unfortunately far too many people have lost faith and belief in the Catholic Church. Obviously despite the church's poor response as you explain your cousin's conduct surely met and exceeded God's expectation. I will say a pray for your cousin's soul. So sorry for your loss.
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I'm so sorry for your loss. The priest certainly needs reeducation regarding his role as a priest. I know one thing for sure, Jesus never would have said no! I think a letter to the powers that be is in order. Again I'm so sorry
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If Jesus was like this ignorant priest, and thank The Lord that He IS not, the blind would not be given sight, the lame would not walk again, and Lazarus would not have come forth from the tomb ........... unless, of course, they had the money to pay for it! Despicable but not surprising. Ask me about an immigrant woman who volunteered her time working in a rectory for 40 years and when she was waked in the funeral home no priest would come to say a Rosary for her because the funeral home didn't send a car to the rectory for one of them to be driven FOUR BLOCKS to the service. Apparently, it was too far to walk. Babylon is not only in Iraq!
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I have a very similiar story. Sixty years ago my mother got pregnant and married my father. She was catholic and he was wasn't. Of course she was out of the church. But my Mother always keep her faith. She went to church on her own, never joined the church but went faithfully. When she died we knew that it meant so much to her to be buried out of the church, but that would never happen because she was excommunicated. BUT, guess what? The church needed a new organ, my brother made a very large contribution to the organ fund and my Mother was buried out of the church. Go figure! I know that isn't right, but she was buried out of the church and that's all that mattered to us.
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Catholic right. Right. I have said it before and I will say it again, There is most wonderful people in the Catholic Faith, but the Church Hierarchy is and always has been less than holy. Don't think for one minute that God was not with her. My sympathy and prayers are with your family.
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Quoting IJUSTLUVIT: Which should be reiterated.
For Christians, Jesus said "If you believe, you will be saved" It sounds like your cousin believed. The sacraments of the church, including the anointing of the sick and dying, are external rituals, meaningful and comforting, but not essential for salvation. As you grieve, perhaps you also know that your cousin was a very good, christian person who did not need the external sign of a sacrament to be assured of a place in heaven, and that you can take comfort in that. |
Talk Host,
What it really comes down too, is how much love we have for others; how much we spread that love around with charitable acts, following what Jesus said to love others as we love ourselves. It's all about love. That is what is important while we are here on earth. Your cousin will be accepted by Jesus no matter what. Think about people that die in accidents that do not have the last rites. Are they not accepted by Jesus? I, too, have been greatly disappointed by some nuns and priests, and the actions they took against me; but, I have eventually forgiven them. If God can forgive us for our trespasses, we must forgive others. Turn the other cheek, and say prayers for those that trespass against us. Just because some priests say they are men of God, they certainly fall short of that definition when things like this happen for whatever reason they give. |
Faith in Christ is what matters for salvation and eternal life, not man-made rituals and human-chosen good deeds that try to outnumber someone else's good deeds.
Good works are the product of a changed life being lived out in thankfulness to God for the provision of His Son to present us holy and fit to be in His presence. We cannot make ourselves fit to be in His holy presence. Only Christ can do that, and our belief of what He says is required. John 5:24 "Amen, amen, I say to you, whoever hears my word and believes in the one who sent me has eternal life and will not come to condemnation, but has passed from death to life. John 14:6 Jesus said to him, “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me. scripture (New American Bible) at U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops' website. |
Just an FYI: The original post from Talk Host was from Feb. 2011. I don't know if he browses TOTV any more.
Bill :) |
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I am so sorry for your loss. Unfortunatly this was not just one priest. it seems to be the churchs culture, three, different states, three different situations, three same outcomes. the church was not there for me and my family, this is not the church I was raised in,
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Regards
I am also so sorry for your loss and share your grief and your frustrations.
Their good memories and contributations in life should not be dimished buy this act. I am not Catholic or as religious as I should be. Yet in my teachings I don't think Jesus ever stepped over or ignored a person in need. Judgement will come for someone way above us Herv |
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This brings back the memory when the preist who was going to marry us, (my wife was Catholic and I was not). Preist said my brothers could not be in the wedding as they were not Catholic. I told him my father's boss (Bishop in New York City Protestant Church) had just returned from a Conference with the Pope and I could make arrangements for him to call Rome for special dispensation. He called then Cardnial Spellman in NY City and yep, no problem I could have anyone in the wedding. So much for the "rules"..:clap2:
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Sorry for your loss and that priest didn't make it any easier at a very sad time.
We had same thing about 30 years ago in Lehigh Acres Florida. Priest did come to hospital and give mom her last rites before we got to hospital because she had listed her religion as Catholic and she was. When we asked him to do the memorial service he refused because she wanted to be cremated and it was against church policy at that time per the priest. We did find a very nice Baptist minister who agreed to do memorial service for us even though he had never met mother or us. |
Very sad thread. I never read it before. I attended Catholic schools from kindergarten through high school in Wisconsin. The original poster did indeed have an unfortunate situation and it happens too often. I had a few very similar situations in my life. The important thing now is to be comfortable with your relationship with God.
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