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Bay Kid 09-29-2017 07:28 AM
In the 50's you could believe the news we heard. Thank you Walter!

rubicon 09-29-2017 11:52 AM
My friends all one has to do is take a look at the childish undisciplined, disrespectful, immoralistic, selfish and boorish behavior of some people in this nation and their demands not based on merit but entitlement; coupled with their demands for publicity of their emotionally induced grievances and one concldes quickly to the fact that 1950's traditional values are sorely missed.

To exacerbate this dilemma idiot political leaders who acquiesce, rather than lead which just perpetuates the situation. Leaders with no backbone

Personally I have no regrets of my aging years because in my view I had the benefit of growing up in the 1950's and learning about life from members of the greatest generation. People that understood the realities of life and the action one must take to remain resilient .

Personal Best Regards:

Challenger 09-29-2017 03:51 PM
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Originally Posted by redwitch (Post 1451587)
I remember the fifties a lot differently -- it was a time of great fear because of the A-bomb. Women rarely worked outside of the home and, if they did, it was usually in a subservient role. Even professional women were pushed into the lesser roles (attorneys for estate planning, trusts, family law; physicians were ob-gyns) most of the time. It was okay for a male to have pre-marital sex and extra-curricular marital affairs were to be bragged about. A female was shamed. Minorities were kept in their place, separate but equal was the way of life, lynchings were common. It was acceptable to beat your wife so long as the stick was no bigger than the width of your thumb. Not only could parents spank their children, so could your neighbor or the principal and some of those spankings were flat out beatings. Sexual abuse was common and the girl was nearly always at fault, even if only ten. Miscegenation was a crime. So was homosexuality. And so on and so forth. The fifties were a time of violence, fear, cruelty and bigotry.

A lot of the values such as hard work, honesty, respect, trust are still prevalent today. Yes, the language is rougher today, chivalry towards females is gone, some of the niceties have disappeared. Even so, I'll take today's world. It's a lot more honest and, in many ways, kinder.
Was born in 1938 to white Anglo middle class family living in pleasant area of Baltimore. Comfortable, and largely ignorant of the real trauma suffered by the actual majority of humans. Lived in a cocoon and oblivious to the needs of those who did not share the "idyllic" life.
Redwitch has it about right IMHO.

8notes 09-29-2017 07:15 PM
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Originally Posted by redwitch (Post 1451587)
I remember the fifties a lot differently -- it was a time of great fear because of the A-bomb. Women rarely worked outside of the home and, if they did, it was usually in a subservient role. Even professional women were pushed into the lesser roles (attorneys for estate planning, trusts, family law; physicians were ob-gyns) most of the time. It was okay for a male to have pre-marital sex and extra-curricular marital affairs were to be bragged about. A female was shamed. Minorities were kept in their place, separate but equal was the way of life, lynchings were common. It was acceptable to beat your wife so long as the stick was no bigger than the width of your thumb. Not only could parents spank their children, so could your neighbor or the principal and some of those spankings were flat out beatings. Sexual abuse was common and the girl was nearly always at fault, even if only ten. Miscegenation was a crime. So was homosexuality. And so on and so forth. The fifties were a time of violence, fear, cruelty and bigotry.

A lot of the values such as hard work, honesty, respect, trust are still prevalent today. Yes, the language is rougher today, chivalry towards females is gone, some of the niceties have disappeared. Even so, I'll take today's world. It's a lot more honest and, in many ways, kinder.
I agree.

Fredster 09-29-2017 07:32 PM
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Originally Posted by Challenger (Post 1455301)
Was born in 1938 to white Anglo middle class family living in pleasant area of Baltimore. Comfortable, and largely ignorant of the real trauma suffered by the actual majority of humans. Lived in a cocoon and oblivious to the needs of those who did not share the "idyllic" life.
Redwitch has it about right IMHO.
A lot of us didn't live in a cocoon, and I certainly didn't.
But because of that, I was able to get a pretty broad
picture of the world around me.
It was hard to be oblivious in the area of Chicago I grew up in!

Cisco Kid 09-29-2017 07:47 PM
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Originally Posted by Fredster (Post 1455379)
A lot of us didn't live in a cocoon, and I certainly didn't.
But because of that, I was able to get a pretty broad
picture of the world around me.
It was hard to be oblivious in the area of Chicago I grew up in!
With Chicago’s murders hitting over 750 last year those were still the good old days. I no longer go up there. Our central Il towns have a murder every few weeks now. There is always a Chicago drug connection.

rubicon 09-30-2017 05:33 AM
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Originally Posted by Challenger (Post 1455301)
Was born in 1938 to white Anglo middle class family living in pleasant area of Baltimore. Comfortable, and largely ignorant of the real trauma suffered by the actual majority of humans. Lived in a cocoon and oblivious to the needs of those who did not share the "idyllic" life.
Redwitch has it about right IMHO.
Fear of the A bomb yes but belief in America's power to defend itself and keep people from harm prevalent.
People were more religious and more morally inclined . for instance movie producers agreed to promote decency ratings. I recall that "Gone With The Wind" created a kerfuffle because Bret Butler dare use the word "dam"

Marriage was sacred then, Honor, respect decency, and the idea that children ought to be treated as a protected species was also prevalent but not to the point of spoiling them.

The world has always been imperfect and it was far fro perfect in the 1950's but I would no hesitate one New York to recapture its traditional values and attitude toward life. if it did college kids would not be looking for safe spaces nor would we have the tail wagging the dog in our universities. And everyone would be standing for the national anthem because of their love of country

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airstreamingypsy 10-02-2017 08:57 AM
The fifties were great, if you were a white male in the USA. Not so much for women and minorities.

manaboutown 10-02-2017 09:56 AM
Things were certainly more civilized and proper in the 1950's. The schools were better and safer. People were civil. We have lost a lot. Our society has become coarse and divisive. Except for medical and other scientific advances it seems mostly for the worse.

Schaumburger 10-03-2017 04:58 AM
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Originally Posted by airstreamingypsy (Post 1456336)
The fifties were great, if you were a white male in the USA. Not so much for women and minorities.
Agree with you. The adult study group at my church is discussing Dr. Martin Luther King's "Letter From The Birmingham Jail" written a few years after the 1950's. This should be required reading for high school students. For some groups, the 1950's were a great decade, for other groups not so much.

Sandtrap328 10-03-2017 03:44 PM
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Originally Posted by airstreamingypsy (Post 1456336)
The fifties were great, if you were a white male in the USA. Not so much for women and minorities.
Agree 100%.

Too many forget what others went through in the 1950's. It was not "Father Knows Best" with Bud, Princess, and Kitten for many families.

My family was great - but we knew others where the father was physically abusive to his wife and kids but she couldn't leave due to financial reasons and turned to alcohol.

ColdNoMore 10-03-2017 03:54 PM
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Originally Posted by Sandtrap328 (Post 1456865)
Agree 100%.

Too many forget what others went through in the 1950's. It was not "Father Knows Best" with Bud, Princess, and Kitten for many families.

My family was great - but we knew others where the father was physically abusive to his wife and kids but she couldn't leave due to financial reasons and turned to alcohol.
A very common story.


Since women were basically chattel during that time, it was very easy for the husband to meet the cops at the door, send them away by telling them that it was just a 'marital issue'...wink, wink. :mad:

manaboutown 10-03-2017 03:56 PM
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Originally Posted by Sandtrap328 (Post 1456865)
My family was great - but we knew others where the father was physically abusive to his wife and kids but she couldn't leave due to financial reasons and turned to alcohol.
Actually the incidence of alcoholism among women has risen since the 1950's. Furthermore no one is "driven to drink". They become alcoholics because they have alcoholic tendencies which are largely genetic in nature.

Elizabeth Pena and the Truth About Alcoholic Women

Frankly I miss the civility of the 1950's and despise the barbarity of today.

affald 10-03-2017 04:01 PM
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Originally Posted by ColdNoMore (Post 1456869)
A very common story.


Since women were basically chattel during that time, it was very easy for the husband to meet the cops at the door, send them away by telling them that it was just a 'marital issue'...wink, wink. :mad:
Yes a story.

ColdNoMore 10-03-2017 04:03 PM
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Originally Posted by affald (Post 1456874)
Yes a story.
The Story of Women in the 1950s | History Today


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Women might have had the vote on the same terms as men since 1929, but for most that was pretty well the limit of their equality: working women were paid much less than men and despite the responsibilities and sheer hard graft many had endured in wartime, were still regarded as submissive and inferior beings. Educational opportunities were limited. The 1944 Education Act was supposed to give everyone ‘parity of esteem’, but that is not how it worked out. Many teachers and parents had narrow expectations for girls whose destiny was to be marriage, a home and a family, with work just an interim measure between leaving school and walking down the aisle, rather than a career. Just 1.2 per cent of women went to university in the 1950s.

In many cases, a woman’s lot seems to have hardly improved by marriage. Imagining wives to be fulfilled by having an easy-to-clean Formica worktop and a twin-tub washing machine, husbands could be harsh taskmasters, most regarding running the home and parenting solely as a woman’s responsibility, expecting meals ready when they returned from work, making all the household decisions of consequence and largely continuing to inhabit a separate sphere of pubs and football.

:ohdear:

manaboutown 10-03-2017 04:10 PM
• Americans with a college degree 1940-2016, by gender | Statista

affald 10-03-2017 04:16 PM
Overwhelmingly people were happier in the 1950s. Google it.

xNYer 10-15-2017 08:27 AM
Happier?
 
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Originally Posted by affald (Post 1456884)
Overwhelmingly people were happier in the 1950s. Google it.
Which groups wer happier? Are those the ones you call "people"?

graciegirl 10-15-2017 08:31 AM
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Originally Posted by ColdNoMore (Post 1456869)
A very common story.


Since women were basically chattel during that time, it was very easy for the husband to meet the cops at the door, send them away by telling them that it was just a 'marital issue'...wink, wink. :mad:
Chattel? Did you grow up in another country where women wore scarves?

Inexes@aol.com 10-15-2017 11:53 AM
This has been a very interesting read.... and I have to add that I agree wholeheartedly with Carl in Tampa, everything he has said is "spot-on". What has become evident to me in reading the posts is you can quickly tell who was actually growing up in the 40-50 era, versus those who were born in the 50's. And you can tell who lived in the North and who lived in the South. I lived in the North, was born in 1937 and there was NO segregation in my town. Everyone attended the same schools, our parents held the same type jobs.... our Postmaster was black. My class valedictorian (1955) was black. My first experience with any difference between black and white was in 1976 when my daughter and I were walking in Virginia Beach (on vacation). An elderly black man was coming toward us on the sidewalk and when he got close, he stepped off into the street. I got tears in my eyes.... I could not believe this was happening. That was my introduction to the South !!! And so it is with this thread..... our views depend on where & when we grew up in that era...... but I still say.... I thank God everyday that I was blessed to be a part of the 40s-50s....


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