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manaboutown 07-12-2013 02:28 PM

From the evidence presented Zimmerman is not a racist wanna be cop as I first imagined based upon reports from the mainstream media. I now see him as a 1/8 black, mixed race hispanic concerned citizen, trying to be a credit to his community, helping his neighbors reduce the crime in their neighborhood, a working man, going to school to try to get ahead in life. He is clearly innocent regardless of whatever the jurors find. They are under enormous political pressure from we all know who, as are the judge and prosecution team.

Martin, I now see not as a hunted down 12 year old innocent child as depicted by the mainstream media and the race baiters but as a bus driver beating, pot smoking burglar who also happened to be very disrespectful of women judging from his texts.

The prosecutor's "case" was essentially unsubstantiated garbage based upon emotion, speculation and even hysteria. The defense was all about finding out what the facts are, what actually happened based upon evidence.

I just hope the jurors do not offer Zimmerman up as a sacrificial lamb, saddling him with a lesser included charge pulled out of their hat by the prosecution team at the last minute to appease the race baiters, mainstream media and those of their ilk.

Irish Rover 07-12-2013 03:18 PM

Not guilty.

DougB 07-12-2013 03:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Patty55 (Post 707038)
How long do you all predict the jury will be out?

I think they should reach a decision tonight.

gomoho 07-12-2013 03:30 PM

I believe the quicker they come back the more favorable for George Zimmerman. And I pray they don't end up as a hung jury - no one should have to go through this again. It needs to be resolved one way or the other.

duffysmom 07-12-2013 03:34 PM

In the beginning I believed all the media hype and thought Zimmerman was guilty, I now believe NOT GUILTY.

gomoho 07-12-2013 03:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bucco (Post 707030)
Posing a few simple questions that I hope someone might answer...

1. How many posters who traditionally vote to the "left" of issues are or have supported Zimmerman ?

2. How many posters who traditionally vote to the "right" of issues are or have NOT supported Zimmerman ?

3. Has anyone changed their feelings on this case since the media of our choice instructed us on how to feel. From guilty to innocent or vice versa.


Actually I have intentionally watched eyewitness news ABC out of Orlando because I believe the attorney gives the most fair and balanced observation of the events. Don't even know if my channel of choice was covering the trial and the opposite to that had such tilted coverage I couldn't watch it.

gomoho 07-12-2013 03:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by buggyone (Post 706973)
How do I know what? I said I hoped Villagers would see if they could provide aid to Martin. If you see an injured person, that is what you do.

As for my Zimmerman phrase, what part is not true?

Exactly - the Zimmerman phrase - where is your proof - not speculation, but proof?

redwitch 07-12-2013 03:43 PM

I'm definitely a leftie (big surprise, right?). Do I think Zimmerman is innocent? No. Do I think he's guilty? Nope. What he did was legal and I think he knew it. I also think he had enough of his neighborhood being victimized; saw this punk scouting the housing; figured he could set the kid up so it would be deemed self-defense. Am I right? Who knows? I don't -- it's just my theory. Obviously, Zimmerman knows and he ain't talkin'.

I never thought Zimmerman was racist. I think he would have killed Martin if given the chance regardless of his color -- it was walking in Zimmerman's neighborhood that got Martin killed, not the color of his skin. I do think Zimmerman sees himself as being white but that's totally irrelevant. I think Zimmerman thinks he's a good guy and feels he is being victimized. He killed a teenager. He has to live with that and I sincerely hope he really can't justify that killing -- no matter what Martin had done in the past, he was doing nothing wrong while walking through the complex and he had every right to be there.

The one thing that will always bother me is why didn't Zimmerman ever identify himself to Martin? Why deny he was following him? To me, that screams that Zimmerman was trying to set Martin up to react and, tragically, Martin behaved accordingly.

janmcn 07-12-2013 03:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DougB (Post 707066)
I think they should reach a decision tonight.


As you were posting your opinion, the jury asked for a list of the evidence. Since there are over 200 pieces of evidence, it seems they will be there awhile.

57ChevyFI 07-12-2013 04:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by graciegirl (Post 706862)
Good point.

This case is an entirely different issue.

"Entirely different"?? Didn't two people lose their life? Maybe I am confused--yes the battle of the aggressor vs the non-aggressor is in the media, court and discussions all over the states. Were they not opposite races either the victim or the aggressors? Was there more coverage over one crime and not the other? chilout ...

Just an opinion

TraceyMooreRN 07-12-2013 04:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by redwitch (Post 707079)
I'm definitely a leftie (big surprise, right?). Do I think Zimmerman is innocent? No. Do I think he's guilty? Nope. What he did was legal and I think he knew it. I also think he had enough of his neighborhood being victimized; saw this punk scouting the housing; figured he could set the kid up so it would be deemed self-defense. Am I right? Who knows? I don't -- it's just my theory. Obviously, Zimmerman knows and he ain't talkin'.

I never thought Zimmerman was racist. I think he would have killed Martin if given the chance regardless of his color -- it was walking in Zimmerman's neighborhood that got Martin killed, not the color of his skin. I do think Zimmerman sees himself as being white but that's totally irrelevant. I think Zimmerman thinks he's a good guy and feels he is being victimized. He killed a teenager. He has to live with that and I sincerely hope he really can't justify that killing -- no matter what Martin had done in the past, he was doing nothing wrong while walking through the complex and he had every right to be there.

The one thing that will always bother me is why didn't Zimmerman ever identify himself to Martin? Why deny he was following him? To me, that screams that Zimmerman was trying to set Martin up to react and, tragically, Martin behaved accordingly.

I don't think Zimmerman was smart enough to "set the kid up". Still think he was a wanna be--got jumped and reacted with a gun.

Villages PL 07-12-2013 04:46 PM

I was following the court proceedings on the radio for a while but I soon reached my limit. It reminds me of when I followed the OJ Simpson trial. It was a BIG waste of time. So, I've decided not to bother following this too closely. I'll be satisfied just to hear of the outcome.

GatorFan 07-12-2013 05:14 PM

I have watched and followed and if I were on jury my vote would be not guilty. Did not see any evidence to prove different.

janmcn 07-12-2013 05:26 PM

After deliberating for three hours and 32 minutes, the jury has requested to return to their hotel, and court is in recess until 9:00am tomorrow.

George Zimmerman looked concerned today when the jury instructions were read. Perhaps it wasn't God's will that he kill Trayvon Martin after all.

It was heartening to hear that manslaughter carries up to 30 years in prison, with a minimum of 15 years. Zimmerman might be having second thoughts about his actions that night.

gomoho 07-12-2013 06:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by janmcn (Post 707126)
After deliberating for three hours and 32 minutes, the jury has requested to return to their hotel, and court is in recess until 9:00am tomorrow.

George Zimmerman looked concerned today when the jury instructions were read. Perhaps it wasn't God's will that he kill Trayvon Martin after all.

It was heartening to hear that manslaughter carries up to 30 years in prison, with a minimum of 15 years. Zimmerman might be having second thoughts about his actions that night.

Please share with me what evidence you have to make this assumption. Not speculation, assumptions, or probablys, but evidence.


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