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Caymus 06-22-2025 07:54 AM

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Originally Posted by ithos (Post 2440603)
You are probably right. Had that been the only charge though she probably would have been able to successfully contest it since no formal DWI protocols were administered. She should be able to get a "hardship" drivers license within a couple of weeks from what I read. Big question is will she be able to find a great job like she had before.

She doesn't need a real job. She can become one of the TikTok/YouTube "influencers".

Topspinmo 06-23-2025 03:46 PM

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Originally Posted by BMill (Post 2440601)
I believe she was beyond drunk but innocent.


IMO She was in brotherhood at time, they only give out arrest DWI to citizens not fellow brotherhood members and family.

mikreb 06-23-2025 09:02 PM

Colin Albert did it. McAlberts would not protect Higgins, but they expected him to protect them. They texted Higgins after the incident because Higgins went dark and they thought he was talking. Ally McAbe said in the first trial "Colin wasn't in the house when John was." So John was in the house. They were covering for Colin. Colin had bruised knuckles. Garage had red stains.

ithos 06-24-2025 06:00 AM

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Originally Posted by mikreb (Post 2441039)
Colin Albert did it. McAlberts would not protect Higgins, but they expected him to protect them. They texted Higgins after the incident because Higgins went dark and they thought he was talking. Ally McAbe said in the first trial "Colin wasn't in the house when John was." So John was in the house. They were covering for Colin. Colin had bruised knuckles. Garage had red stains.

And the corrupt judge refused to let the defense team to enter the house to look for evidence. She was so biased that she sustained 172 objections against the defense during the cross-examination of a single witness, Boston Police Officer Brian Albert. Not one was denied.

And on occasion she asked the prosecutor if he had an objection to a defense question.

JRcorvette 06-24-2025 08:18 AM

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Originally Posted by ithos (Post 2439961)
One of the most controlversial trials in decades. If she was innocent then there is a fair amount of police corruption in MA. Multiple state police officers were punished. It was so egregious that the FBI was involved.

There were approximately 3000 people outside the courthouse when the verdict was read.
To me the evidence is overwhelming that she is INNOCENT but many believe she was guilty.
Karen Read cleared of murdering her Boston cop boyfriend sparking wild cheering outside court | The Independent

Jury found her not guilty…. So that’s it.

BrianL99 06-24-2025 10:14 AM

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Originally Posted by ithos (Post 2440449)


Also here is how the Karen Read team found out who murdered him.
—just hours after Karen Read was arraigned—her attorney David Yannetti received an anonymous tip from someone claiming a law-enforcement background. The caller said that Brian Albert, his nephew Colin, and an unnamed federal agent had beaten Officer John O’Keefe to death inside the house and then dragged his body outside to the lawn
nypost.com
That caller turned out to be Steven Scanlon, a local private investigator. Although he later recanted parts of his story, Yannetti noted that “photos of O’Keefe hadn’t been released at the time of the first call. And other details lined up,” lending the tip some credibility
boston.com
Subsequently, Yannetti’s defense team expanded this narrative, naming Brian Albert, Colin Albert, and ATF agent Brian Higgins (not a DEA agent) as possible third-party perpetrators through what’s known as a “third-party culprit” defense

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Originally Posted by ithos (Post 2440553)

I believe that if Proctor hadn't foolishly busted the tail light at the sally port and then planted the pieces in the front yard the verdict may have been different. This is because the defense had absolute proof that Karens tail light was illuminated and the red lens not completely smashed well after the alledged time of o'keefes death.

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Originally Posted by mikreb (Post 2441039)
Colin Albert did it. McAlberts would not protect Higgins, but they expected him to protect them. They texted Higgins after the incident because Higgins went dark and they thought he was talking. Ally McAbe said in the first trial "Colin wasn't in the house when John was." So John was in the house. They were covering for Colin. Colin had bruised knuckles. Garage had red stains.


It's ridiculous that the Commonwealth of MA spent somewhere around $4,000,000 and Read spent even more ... when they both could have come right here to TOTV and learned the real facts.

Waste of time and money.

KAM+6 06-24-2025 02:03 PM

Karen Read is a insanely jealous DRUNK. Her relationship with John was coming to an end. Evidence shows they had been fighting for over a month because he hugged a family friend at a hotel lobby. On the night in question, she has 9 double shots, on video and receipts. She was driving back to after hour get together. They pulled to front of house and she slowly pulled to far left of property line, arguing as they had done that day according to texts. Evidence of her black box and GPS from Johns phone shows John exited her car , air bag disengaged. She went forward 34', slammed it in reverse 84' . She clipped john , he was thrown 10' up the lawn. She took off with A broken taillight, Microscopic taillight shards were later found by forensic specialists. She called him 54 times started minutes after hitting him. Every call pinged at flagpole area, his phone, found under him, thermostat continues to go 20 degrees lower until after he was found.
She calls to john were angry ,profanity F bomb screaming. She made several calls to her parents at 1am, last text was "John's dead" long be for he was found.
She then calls two of John friends and said she left him at the bar, Jen said ,"no I saw you outside my sisters house. Then she told Kerry "john got hit by a plow"
The 3 went in Kerry car to look for John. Karen insisted on returning to Fairview. When they approach the far left property line, in pitch dark, howling blizzard, Karen started screaming and kicking the door to get out. She ran to a large figure buried in 6 inches of snow which was John. Jen called 911 and Jen and Kerry did CPR until ambulance arrived.

Karen's lawyer said at her arraignment that it was an "unintentional accident" .
Next came the trial in "social media" by bloggers in for the clicks. Karen was the instigator along with blogger to harrass and Intimate witnesses and even their children.
Alan Jackson, big time LA lawyer, Harvey Weinstein, Kevin Spacy, and Phil Spector joined the defence.
Blame the police, the instigation and harrass the witnesses. Put out FALSE information and accuse innocent people.
FBI did thorough investigation and found only Karen responsible for Johns death. NO one else.

KAM+6 06-24-2025 02:20 PM

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Originally Posted by mikreb (Post 2440136)
The McAlbert's kept saying O'Keefe was their good friend, but not one of them went to his funeral.

ALL the Alberts and McCabes attended the funeral.

KAM+6 06-24-2025 02:44 PM

Colin Albert left the house at 12:10, confirmed by his phone text and GPS. Also by his cousin that picked him up,her phone and text. Karen left the bar video surveillance at 12:12 arriving at house at 12:24.

That didn't stop bloggers from spuing face information. Defense never call Steve Scanlon and he denied he gave Yannetti that information, however Yannetti leaked it to the blogger and Toilet boy ran with it.
Colin was a 17 yr ,140# kid. John was a well built 6'1" 216# .
The motive Yannetti gave was that Colin crossed johns lawn when he was 10.
There were 9 people in the house at 12:24, two were 23 yr girls, one a nurse unrelated. The were driven home by the McCabes. Do you think that those girls parents would tell then to lie to the police, lie to a federal grand jury and lie under oath in court??? And be accessory to murder.??

4 medical examiners testified john was not in a physical altercation. Defense claimed superficial abrations, stated by medical examiners were dog bites. There wasNO dog DNA, NO lower teeth marks and not one dog HAIRS.

KAM+6 06-24-2025 02:59 PM

Taillight pieces were found at the scene buried under plow snowbank, 3 feet before SUV arrived at heated police garage. It was in possession of her parents who removed it from johns house.
Earlier at8:2am police did a wellness check on children and dash cam shows Karen SUV with broken taillight. Driveway, SUV and house covered with foot of snow. No footprints or tire marks . Nobody was near that property. NOBODY planted anything. Also found at the scene was John sneaker , hat and glass, straw. He is on video leaving bar with glass straw in hand. KAREN killed John and left him to die in the Blizzard.

KAM+6 06-24-2025 03:08 PM

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Originally Posted by ithos (Post 2440269)
Two of the jurors have spoken in interviews. They both believe that Karen Read is innocent as well as not guilty.

This is fortunate for Karen Read since the O'Keefe family plans to file a lawsuit against her and the restaurant that served her drinks.

I hope that the FBI will followup and not only find the true murderers but also investigate the corruption in the state and city police starting with sabotage of the sally port videos and the willful negligence to conduct any interviews of people present at the house that night.

The FBI did a thorough investigation and only Karen was responsible. There was no "sabotage" of sally port videos. They are motion detection, no missing footage. All the people in the house were interviewed. You are quoting a dirty blogger that has 18 felony charges pending trial.

KAM+6 06-24-2025 03:36 PM

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Originally Posted by ithos (Post 2440553)
After two trials, I think the lawyers will be able to present an air tight case for Karen Read in the civil case. She had some damn good lawyers https://youtu.be/YuiI37P4dgY
But stupid people do make it on juries so injustice might prevail again.

I believe that if Proctor hadn't foolishly busted the tail light at the sally port and then planted the pieces in the front yard the verdict may have been different. This is because the defense had absolute proof that Karens tail light was illuminated and the red lens not completely smashed well after the alledged time of o'keefes death.

Defense took one frame but if you see where she puts the brake on you can see the broken taillight compared to the left taillight, its clearly missing. Also, the 820 am wellness check on children. Twilight pieces were found by forensic SERT team, with police watching and news crew filming.
Just the fact that you use the word McAlberts, shows you get your false information from Turdboy, who has 18 felony charges pending his trial. Karen killed john and left him to die in the Blizzard. First she said she left him at the bar,left a message "nobody knows where the F you are. then she said a plow must have hit him then her lawyer said at her arraignment a nd to the press, " it was an uintentional accident ". Then it was Colin. Allie NEVER said John was in the house. She picked up Colin at 12:10 confirmed by phone a d GPS. Karen arrived outside at 12:24 confirmed by GPS a d phone. Her black box shows John exited her car, air bag disengaged, and she pulled forward 34', slammed it in reverse and john dies in 17 seconds. His phone never moved again until after he was found hours later. She called him 54 times during those hours and his phone pinged every time at flagpole area.

BrianL99 06-24-2025 04:34 PM

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Originally Posted by KAM+6 (Post 2441156)
Karen Read is a insanely jealous DRUNK.

FBI did thorough investigation and found only Karen responsible for Johns death. NO one else.


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Originally Posted by KAM+6 (Post 2441161)
4 medical examiners testified john was not in a physical altercation. Defense claimed superficial abrations, stated by medical examiners were dog bites. There wasNO dog DNA, NO lower teeth marks and not one dog HAIRS.

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Originally Posted by KAM+6 (Post 2441162)
KAREN killed John and left him to die in the Blizzard.

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Originally Posted by KAM+6 (Post 2441163)
The FBI did a thorough investigation and only Karen was responsible.

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Originally Posted by KAM+6 (Post 2441170)
Karen killed john and left him to die in the Blizzard.

You could probably say it another 50 times and the fact remains, the 12 jurors who were tasked with separating fact & truth from nonsense, disagree with you ... as does the Judge, who refused to issue a directed verdict and opted to rely on 12 impartial jurors to decide.

ithos 06-24-2025 04:42 PM

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Originally Posted by JRcorvette (Post 2441094)
Jury found her not guilty…. So that’s it.

I wish it was. She has a civil suit to contend with. Then It will be imperative that she proves herself innocent. Fortunately based on jury feedback her lawyers can convincingly meet that standard.

BrianL99 06-24-2025 04:52 PM

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Originally Posted by ithos (Post 2441179)
I wish it was. She has a civil suit to contend with. Then It will be imperative that she proves herself innocent. Fortunately based on jury feedback her lawyers can convincingly meet that standard.


NO. The burden of proof in the Civil action, is firmly in the hands of the Plaintiff. Karen Read doesn't have to prove or disprove, anything.

ithos 06-24-2025 04:56 PM

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Originally Posted by BrianL99 (Post 2441112)
It's ridiculous that the Commonwealth of MA spent somewhere around $4,000,000 and Read spent even more ... when they both could have come right here to TOTV and learned the real facts.

Waste of time and money.

In response to your snarky comment, I will simply say that I was inclined to assume she was guilty. I normally don't get sucked in to watching trials on TV(last one was OJ) but this case had so many intriguing elements to it that I got sucked in.

Eg_cruz 06-24-2025 05:17 PM

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Originally Posted by ithos (Post 2439961)
One of the most controlversial trials in decades. If she was innocent then there is a fair amount of police corruption in MA. Multiple state police officers were punished. It was so egregious that the FBI was involved.

There were approximately 3000 people outside the courthouse when the verdict was read.
To me the evidence is overwhelming that she is INNOCENT but many believe she was guilty.
Karen Read cleared of murdering her Boston cop boyfriend sparking wild cheering outside court | The Independent

After reading and watching
I don’t think she killed him. I think there was a fight at the home and he most likely left but fell or passed out in the snow. How else can one explain the dog bites and scratches on his arm. The swollen eyes and blunt force trauma to the back of his head.
I don’t think it was meant to be a frame job. I don’t think the people I the house knew he was laying in the snow until Karen called and told them he was missing.

Eg_cruz 06-24-2025 05:27 PM

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Originally Posted by oneclickplus (Post 2440207)
She and John were both drunk. She dropped him off at a house party. Then she went to HIS house waiting for him to call or come home (she was with his kids). She tried to call him several times but no answer. Those at the house party say he never arrived. That is to say he never came to the front door. Snow storm in progress with a lot of snow / ice on the ground. Drunk man slipped and fell. Either he was unconscious or he fell asleep in the snow. Death came as a result. There is no fault here (other than his own). Yes, she was angry with him for not coming home and leaving her with HIS kids. That is not the behavior of someone who is guilty. Tragic accident? Maybe. But, more likely, he is responsible for his own death.

Civil suit to follow. If she is found liable, she can just file for bankruptcy and forget about it. Time for her to liquidate her assets now in anticipation before there is a court order to prevent same.

My take: she is innocent. But the family can't accept the possibility that there is no one to blame (except John). So, they will sue "because they can".

Except his body was beat up. Had dog bites all over his arm, blunt force hit on the back of his head, and swollen eyes and beat up face. He would not have gotten those if had just passed out in the snow

BrianL99 06-24-2025 05:30 PM

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Originally Posted by ithos (Post 2441183)
In response to your snarky comment, I will simply say that I was inclined to assume she was guilty. I normally don't get sucked in to watching trials on TV(last one was OJ) but this case had so many intriguing elements to it that I got sucked in.

I live in Boston. The Karen Read trial has dominated local news, for over a year. The 2nd Trial received wall-to-wall coverage and analysis, every day. Coverage didn't end until 8 pm, on most local TV stations.

12 reasonably intelligent, unbiased people, found her Not Guilty. She's been on trial twice.

It boggles my mind, that folks can come on here, re-hash selective facts and events that support their opinion and then proclaim Karen Read is a murderer.

Just for the record, we in Boston were bombarded with this. Experts up the ying yang. I have not seen a single "expert" opine that the jury screwed up or was wrong. As a matter of fact, I never heard even one expert, predict Read would be convicted. The facts clearly didn't warrant a finding of Guilty ... twice.

ithos 06-24-2025 05:33 PM

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Originally Posted by BrianL99 (Post 2441181)
NO. The burden of proof in the Civil action, is firmly in the hands of the Plaintiff. Karen Read doesn't have to prove or disprove, anything.

I did not intend to say that. But I believe that most of the evidence and research that her lawyers will need were discovered or revealed in the criminal case.

KAM+6 06-24-2025 05:41 PM

That FACTS are JOHN NEVER entered the house. Her SUV black box data recorded john exited her car, air bag disengaged. SUV went forward 34', slammed in reverse at 24 mi clipped john throwing him 10 into the lawn hitting his head on the frozen ground or rock. Johns phone NEVER moved again until after he was found, thermometer in phone continually went down over 20 degrees. She called him 54 times and every call pinged at where he was found. The car tech stream and GPS phone date is bulletproof. He was found with her microscopic taillight pieces in his hoodie. NO dog DNA, NO lower dog teeth and not a single dog hair.
Only Karen found him under 6" of snow. She said on video " I expected to find him there"

ithos 06-24-2025 06:27 PM

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Originally Posted by KAM+6 (Post 2441170)
Defense took one frame but if you see where she puts the brake on you can see the broken taillight compared to the left taillight, its clearly missing. Also, the 820 am wellness check on children. Twilight pieces were found by forensic SERT team, with police watching and news crew filming.
Just the fact that you use the word McAlberts, shows you get your false information from Turdboy, who has 18 felony charges pending his trial. Karen killed john and left him to die in the Blizzard. First she said she left him at the bar,left a message "nobody knows where the F you are. then she said a plow must have hit him then her lawyer said at her arraignment a nd to the press, " it was an uintentional accident ". Then it was Colin. Allie NEVER said John was in the house. She picked up Colin at 12:10 confirmed by phone a d GPS. Karen arrived outside at 12:24 confirmed by GPS a d phone. Her black box shows John exited her car, air bag disengaged, and she pulled forward 34', slammed it in reverse and john dies in 17 seconds. His phone never moved again until after he was found hours later. She called him 54 times during those hours and his phone pinged every time at flagpole area.

Rehashing prosecution lies is not going to prove anything. And this is not the forum to debate the trial.

But I must dispel one of your assertions. Most of the exculpatory evidence was from the FBI. The were investigating the state police.

The federal government provided 3,074 pages of documents from their investigation of Read’s case before her trial last April in Dedham’s Norfolk Superior Court. The documents included Trooper Michael Proctor’s offensive text messages about Read, grand jury testimony from prosecution witness Brian Higgins about the destruction of his cell phone, and findings from ARCCA, an engineering consulting firm that concluded that O’Keefe’s injuries did not appear to come from a vehicle strike.
25 Investigates: Federal investigation of Karen Read case is over, sources say – Boston 25 News
Karen Read defense team says federal expert found John O'Keefe was not hit by SUV - CBS Boston

BrianL99 06-24-2025 06:49 PM

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Originally Posted by ithos (Post 2441196)
Rehashing prosecution lies is not going to prove anything. And this is not the forum to debate the trial.

But I must dispel one of your assertions. Most of the exculpatory evidence was from the FBI. The were investigating the state police.

Some folks aren't swayed by facts that don't suit their narrative. You're 100% right. The FBI was very clear about their conclusion, that O'Keefe wasn't killed by an automobile collision.

Luckily, Karen Read got a jury that paid attention. The Prosecution's case was built on smoke & mirrors

MrChip72 06-24-2025 07:44 PM

This is a perfect example of why it's easier to get away with unplanned murder than premeditated murder.

No suspicious purchases or texts beforehand, no damning Google searches, etc.

KAM+6 06-24-2025 07:54 PM

No FBI testified in either trial. ARCCA was paid by the defence. They had a court order to turn over all comunications as complying with law 14 discovery. The yunlawfully deleated over 100 email and text. Lied to the judge,used signal app to commucate with defence, all tne while telling the court they were not paid and are independent.They are tech stream data experts, Yet, they never looked at the black box, the sneaker , hat broken glass found with body. Said it wasn't in their scope.

Reitchler, in the Middle of testimony stopped and "wished his son a happy birthday". WTF???

KAM+6 06-24-2025 08:04 PM

ARCCA shows crash dummy backing up 24 mi HR into arm position bent holding glass. Hit dummy, spinning it, breaking taillight and throwing it forward to right . They were even sneaky using a small 170# dummy, John was 6'1" 216#. Also SUV was in 18 degree cold for over at least 4 hours. Polycarbonate shattered in cold weather.

CFrance 06-24-2025 08:08 PM

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Originally Posted by KAM+6 (Post 2441206)
No FBI testified in either trial. ARCCA was paid by the defence. They had a court order to turn over all comunications as complying with law 14 discovery. The yunlawfully deleated over 100 email and text. Lied to the judge,used signal app to commucate with defence, all tne while telling the court they were not paid and are independent.They are tech stream data experts, Yet, they never looked at the black box, the sneaker , hat broken glass found with body. Said it wasn't in their scope.

Reitchler, in the Middle of testimony stopped and "wished his son a happy birthday". WTF???

Could you maybe explain that more plainly? What is yunlawfully, what is the black box, who had the court order, what is law 14 discovery? What is signal app? Who are the tech stream data experts?

mike234 06-25-2025 05:30 AM

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Originally Posted by mikreb (Post 2441039)
Colin Albert did it. McAlberts would not protect Higgins, but they expected him to protect them. They texted Higgins after the incident because Higgins went dark and they thought he was talking. Ally McAbe said in the first trial "Colin wasn't in the house when John was." So John was in the house. They were covering for Colin. Colin had bruised knuckles. Garage had red stains.

yup

ithos 06-25-2025 05:44 AM

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Originally Posted by KAM+6 (Post 2441156)
Karen Read is a insanely jealous DRUNK. ...... She went forward 34', slammed it in reverse 84' . She clipped john , he was thrown 10' up the lawn. She took off with A broken taillight, Microscopic taillight shards were later found by forensic specialists. .....

So she was drunk and still was able to floor it in reverse for over 80ft at night in poor light conditions and slamming into her boyfriend and launching him 15ft onto the lawn or driveway. She must have been one hell of driver.

But if so these facts are hard to explain:
No Lower-Extremity Bruising or Fractures
lacerations to the Shins, Thighs, or Pelvic area


Also, in reenactments it took several blows with a hammer to completely break and remove all pieces of the thick poly carbonate lens.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CBqMcX4jgeA

Unfortunately for the prosecution there were pictures and videos of Karen Reads tail light illuminated with the lens almost completely intact after the time of the alledged murder. According to more than one juror this proved beyond any doubt that she was innocent.

KAM+6 06-25-2025 06:55 AM

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Originally Posted by CFrance (Post 2441211)
Could you maybe explain that more plainly? What is yunlawfully, what is the black box, who had the court order, what is law 14 discovery? What is signal app? Who are the tech stream data experts?

The y unlawfully an error the y belongs to the word in they. The black box is the tech stream data that records data in newer vehicles . She had a high end Lexus . All witnesses are required to turn over a report and communications to defence and prosecution. ARCCA had a court order to keep and turn over all communications with defence, they violated that order. Signal app is an encrypted app that deletes messages in 30 minutes and can't traced. Two tech stream experts from ARCCA testified for the defense. Neither of them contradicted the evidence of her car backing up 24 mi hr or time of trigger event.

KAM+6 06-25-2025 07:10 AM

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Originally Posted by ithos (Post 2441243)
So she was drunk and still was able to floor it in reverse for over 80ft at night in poor light conditions and slamming into her boyfriend and launching him 15ft onto the lawn or driveway. She must have been one hell of driver.

But if so these facts are hard to explain:
No Lower-Extremity Bruising or Fractures
lacerations to the Shins, Thighs, or Pelvic area


Also, in reenactments it took several blows with a hammer to completely break and remove all pieces of the thick poly carbonate lens.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CBqMcX4jgeA

Unfortunately for the prosecution there were pictures and videos of Karen Reads tail light illuminated with the lens almost completely intact after the time of the alledged murder. According to more than one juror this proved beyond any doubt that she was innocent.

That video was not credible , why didn't you use the one shown in court by ARCCA. Clearly shows taillight shattered by elbow on dummy and throwing him forward along side of car . Shattered taillight pieces flying in all directions. According to ARCCA defence Wolfe , taillight was not broken when she backed out of garage and purposely tapped john car. No pieces is dusting of snow . Look at car showing both taillights, clearly shows missing piece on right.

KAM+6 06-25-2025 08:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Eg_cruz (Post 2441185)
After reading and watching
I don’t think she killed him. I think there was a fight at the home and he most likely left but fell or passed out in the snow. How else can one explain the dog bites and scratches on his arm. The swollen eyes and blunt force trauma to the back of his head.
I don’t think it was meant to be a frame job. I don’t think the people I the house knew he was laying in the snow until Karen called and told them he was missing.

The FACT is tech stream data from her car and GPS and health data from his phone is bulletproof that he NEVER entered the house. Timestamp showed he exited her car, air bag disengaged, was hit within 17 seconds. His phone NEVER MOVED until after he was found hours later. She called him 54 times, starting 4 minutes later,, full of rage and F bombs. Every call pinged at flagpole area. Defence ARCCA never contradicted data or GPS. ME testified arm was superficial abrasions. NO DOG DNA, NO LOWER teeth marks, NOt one dog HAIR.

KAM+6 06-25-2025 08:19 AM

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Originally Posted by ithos (Post 2441196)
Rehashing prosecution lies is not going to prove anything. And this is not the forum to debate the trial.

But I must dispel one of your assertions. Most of the exculpatory evidence was from the FBI. The were investigating the state police.

The federal government provided 3,074 pages of documents from their investigation of Read’s case before her trial last April in Dedham’s Norfolk Superior Court. The documents included Trooper Michael Proctor’s offensive text messages about Read, grand jury testimony from prosecution witness Brian Higgins about the destruction of his cell phone, and findings from ARCCA, an engineering consulting firm that concluded that O’Keefe’s injuries did not appear to come from a vehicle strike.
25 Investigates: Federal investigation of Karen Read case is over, sources say – Boston 25 News
Karen Read defense team says federal expert found John O'Keefe was not hit by SUV - CBS Boston

FBI never made a statement . Defence hired ARCCA and under cross exam conceded he could have been and provided crash dummy tests showing Lexus backing up 24 mi , hitting elbow, shattering taillight and throwing him 10 feet, head hitting hard frozen ground. She said on 20/20 " he didn't look MORTALLY wounded. " That would be when you dropped him off? " Yes, it would have to be".

mikreb 06-25-2025 07:48 PM

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Originally Posted by KAM+6 (Post 2441266)
Signal app is an encrypted app

Most messaging apps are encrypted these days. FB messenger, Imessage, even android has started using RCS encrypted messaging. In the words of Jen Mcabe, "nothing nefarious going on here"

KAM+6 06-26-2025 08:07 AM

It is when you have a court order to save all communications.
Also, Karen used signal to communicate and send false information to her friend in California, Natalie. Natalie would then send to Turdboy, blogger to harass and intimidate witnesses, family of John OKeefe, their friends, children, and anyone supporting the OKeefes. However, Natalie took screenshots of everything and has taken a plea deal.

Turd boy has 18 felony charges, his trial is coming up. Stay tuned.

ithos 06-26-2025 06:51 PM

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It is when you have a court order to save all communications.
Also, Karen used signal to communicate and send false information to her friend in California, Natalie. Natalie would then send to Turdboy, blogger to harass and intimidate witnesses, family of John OKeefe, their friends, children, and anyone supporting the OKeefes. However, Natalie took screenshots of everything and has taken a plea deal.

Turd boy has 18 felony charges, his trial is coming up. Stay tuned.

There were no tail light fragments on the lawn the night of the murder. If so they would have been easily spotted by the dozen or more persons on the scene.
Do you know why Apperture(who were paid $400k) didn't perform a reenactment of the accident to demonstrate how a tailight lens could break into dozens of pieces upon impact with a human arm? Because it is an absolute impossibility. And even if the lens was fragile enough to fracture it would not have caused the type of wounds on O'keefes arm and the entire lens would not have been missing. (illustration attached). Those parallel lacerations were obviously caused by an animal. These are what dog bites look like Log into Facebook.

And what was the excuse of the police for not searching for ring cameras on the block? That is the first thing they look for when there are no witnesses. And why in the world didn't they check on the people inside the house? And why didn't Brian Albert, a policeman, step outside to see what all the commotion was about?

ithos 06-26-2025 07:00 PM

What is more strange is that Canton Police Department supervisor Sgt. Michael Lank lived a few houses away from 34 Fairview Road, within a very short walking distance from the scene. He never went to the scene.

ithos 06-26-2025 07:14 PM

And here is the testimony of a police officer who assisted in towing Karen Read's SUV away from her house after the murder. He testified that there were cracks but most of the lens was in still there.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hb8xjHDwLy8
Sergeant Nicholas Barros testified that when he saw Karen Read’s SUV in Dighton, the taillight damage was nowhere near as severe as the photos now being shown in court. He says it was cracked but intact, with bulbs and tabs still in place. So why did the damage look so much worse after the vehicle had been moved to Canton PD, under Trooper Proctor’s supervision? This video breaks down the suspicious timeline, lack of documentation, and what it could mean for the prosecution’s case.

KAM+6 06-27-2025 10:50 AM

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Originally Posted by ithos (Post 2441573)
There were no tail light fragments on the lawn the night of the murder. If so they would have been easily spotted by the dozen or more persons on the scene.
Do you know why Apperture(who were paid $400k) didn't perform a reenactment of the accident to demonstrate how a tailight lens could break into dozens of pieces upon impact with a human arm? Because it is an absolute impossibility. And even if the lens was fragile enough to fracture it would not have caused the type of wounds on O'keefes arm and the entire lens would not have been missing. (illustration attached). Those parallel lacerations were obviously caused by an animal. These are what dog bites look like Log into Facebook.

And what was the excuse of the police for not searching for ring cameras on the block? That is the first thing they look for when there are no witnesses. And why in the world didn't they check on the people in:Screen_of_Death:side the house? And why didn't Brian Albert, a policeman, step outside to see what all the commotion was about?

All the taillight pieces ,47 found of various sizes , were found under at least 2+ feet of snow. There was a Noreaster blizzard that night, howling winds and snow drifts, snow started just before midnight. John was also buried under a huge mound of drifting snow. Karen describes him "A buffalo on the prairie"

Every murder investigation in Ma is done by the SERT team, MSP trained to collect evidence, not by local police. Its impossible to search in blinding snow, unprecedented winds until it calmed down. First SERT arrived at 5 pm, 7 more within 30 mi. A news crew , filming, and several police and msp. They worked shoulder to shoulder, shovel out a snow bank at street 3 feet high. Found first piece about 5:40 and many others after. All the while news crew was filming and SERT team member was also filming. Some pieces were found days later when snow started melting. All pieces were found on the grass, under the snow. Karen's car was in possession of her parents at their house 40 miles away, they can to johns house and retrieved it around 1pm. State police traveled to Dighton, interviewed Karen with her father present, took her phone.
By the way, she refused to give them the passcode. It took several months , running it thru software to retrieve passcode.

Her SUV went into the sallyport heated garage, AFTER first piece of taillight was found. All filmed on dash cam following tow truck with timestamps.
Absolutely NO taillight pieces were planted under 3 foot snowbank. At least 20 people would be involved, police and news crew. And, if they were going to "frame her"
why wouldn't they take her car immediately not 8 hours later???

ARCRA, defence tech stream experts, were paid originally $500 by state, did crash dummy testing, showing dummy elbow breaking taillight and smashing into 19 pieces with wide debris field. Throwing the dummy along side , but not touching the car, spinning and held by harness would have sent it up on the lawn.
Polycarbonate totally shatters in cold weather. ARCCA test were done in mild temperatures and sneaky them used a crash dummy 5'9" 171pounds, John was 6'1" 216 pounds. He would have more force .

Also, Johns sneaker, hat, glass that Karen said he took from her car, was also buried under the snow. All the snow around the house, driveway, covering homeowner cars, door entrance of 3 doors and steps was pristine. No tire marks or footprints until after john was found by KARENS X-Ray eyes under foot of snow, describing him as "A buffalo on the prairie"

The marks on his are were diagnosed as "Superficial abrasions" by 4 medical examiners, even defence "expert". How was there a dog fight with NO dog HAIRS, NO Dog DNA , NO lower dog teeth NO puncture wounds???

Neighbors with ring camera said that their only recorded front doors and were motion detection.

Kerry, was driving, Jen in passenger seat, Karen in rear between front seats.
When Kerry approached Alberta far left property line, Karen started screaming and kicking the door to get out. Kerry stopped and Karen, with her snow X-Ray eyes, ran to " A buffalo on the prairie ". Keep in mind, she had never been to that house before that night. He was near bushes a fire hydrant and a flagpole, with circular pavers ,and utility box. All this is Karen's own words from 20/20, Dateline, other media.

Kerry stopped at property line, police cruiser with dash cam, behind but not to close so everything can be recorded, Ambulance behind police. Fire truck behind ambulance. All of these vehicles, except Kerry, were NOT in front of Alberta house but I front of neighbors house. NONE of neighbors came out.

Brian Albert had been on a5am flight to NY to attend a funeral for a officer killed in the line of fire. He drove back with Higgins, arriving back to canton 8pm and joined his family for dinner that evening. Finally getting to bed around 2am . Police and firemen will tell you they have blackout curtains because the work night shifts and need to sleep days. Also, Alberts house an neighbors have train tracks, literally, in their back yards.
There was howling winds, NONE of first responder vehicles has sirens on. All you can hear is windshield wipers on dash cam.

When Jen woke Brian, he came down immediately and police were in his house. John had already left in the ambulance. In fact, if he went out, the narrative would be that he was planting evidence by the FKR wackos.

KAM+6 06-27-2025 11:00 AM

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Originally Posted by ithos (Post 2441575)
What is more strange is that Canton Police Department supervisor Sgt. Michael Lank lived a few houses away from 34 Fairview Road, within a very short walking distance from the scene. He never went to the scene.

Sargent Lank does not live near Fairview. He was the one that came into the house with Jen that morning, when she woke Brian. Why don't you watch the trial???


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