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KAM+6 06-27-2025 11:19 AM

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Originally Posted by ithos (Post 2441578)
And here is the testimony of a police officer who assisted in towing Karen Read's SUV away from her house after the murder. He testified that there were cracks but most of the lens was in still there.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hb8xjHDwLy8
Sergeant Nicholas Barros testified that when he saw Karen Read’s SUV in Dighton, the taillight damage was nowhere near as severe as the photos now being shown in court. He says it was cracked but intact, with bulbs and tabs still in place. So why did the damage look so much worse after the vehicle had been moved to Canton PD, under Trooper Proctor’s supervision? This video breaks down the suspicious timeline, lack of documentation, and what it could mean for the prosecution’s case.

Barros recanted under cross. The taillight he saw was packed with snow, he was standing, out of the blizzard in the garage, he only saw a distant side view. You can see the broken twilight when tow driver drives on tow truck.

WOW, Barrow never wrote a complete report. Drove over 2 hours to Omni hotel to meet with Jacka$$ , just to give him his address to mail summons??? Posed for pictures with FKRERS. , one with a F..k Biden shirt.

From the links you post, its obvious you never watched the trial. The trial is on court tv but you chose to get your "alternative Facts" from bloggers. Why don't you watch both side in a court of law.

Why has Karen's sister or her sister in law never been in court to support her. Her brother was convicted of grand theft larceny. Daddy got him probation and paid restitution. Fired from present job, his wife is on ring camera looking at broken taillight is divorcing him.

BrianL99 06-27-2025 12:36 PM

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Originally Posted by KAM+6 (Post 2441722)


From the links you post, its obvious you never watched the trial. The trial is on court tv but you chose to get your "alternative Facts" from bloggers. Why don't you watch both side in a court of law.

12 Independent Jurors watched the trial, live and in person. They unanimously decided that you're wrong and Karen Read was Not Guilty.

Give it up. It's done. You're wrongl

KAM+6 06-27-2025 01:06 PM

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Originally Posted by BrianL99 (Post 2441746)
12 Independent Jurors watched the trial, live and in person. They unanimously decided that you're wrong and Karen Read was Not Guilty.

Give it up. It's done. You're wrongl

OK Simpson Casey Anthony. Comes to mind. . Juror 11 ran to the press. Her father in law, from Egypt, was arrested and convicted of stealing classified defence documents. Spent time in Federal prison and deported. Also, When the checked his computer they found child pornography. Do you think she put that on her jury questionnaire???

BrianL99 06-28-2025 05:45 AM

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Originally Posted by KAM+6 (Post 2441756)

Juror 11 ran to the press. Her father in law, from Egypt, was arrested and convicted of stealing classified defence documents. Spent time in Federal prison and deported. Also, When the checked his computer they found child pornography. Do you think she put that on her jury questionnaire???


Paula Prado is a licensed attorney in Brazil and has an MBA. She happened to marry someone whose father served time, so that somehow makes her incompetent or biased?

ithos 06-28-2025 07:21 AM

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Originally Posted by BrianL99 (Post 2441836)
Paula Prado is a licensed attorney in Brazil and has an MBA. She happened to marry someone whose father served time, so that somehow makes her incompetent or biased?

Wow!

KAM+6 06-28-2025 07:52 AM

She Obviously lied on her jury questioner. " Have you or anyone in your FAMILY been convicted of criminal charges". She ran to the press and she uses 4 aliases. Scrubbed her Facebook posts. WOW, with all her education, why is she a checkout clerk at Target. ??

ithos 06-28-2025 08:11 AM

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Originally Posted by KAM+6 (Post 2441877)
She Obviously lied on her jury questioner. " Have you or anyone in your FAMILY been convicted of criminal charges". She ran to the press and she uses 4 aliases. Scrubbed her Facebook posts. WOW, with all her education, why is she a checkout clerk at Target. ??

Are you going to dig up dirt on the other eleven jurors?

BrianL99 06-28-2025 08:49 AM

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Originally Posted by KAM+6 (Post 2441877)
with all her education, why is she a checkout clerk at Target. ??

It's not really fair to make judgements based on someone's chosen career path or how they spend their time. Folks are entitled to live their lives as the chose.

She might feel working at Target offers her less stress and more time to spend with her 4 young children, rather than spending her life in front of a keyboard and/or TV, researching, commenting and editorializing on other folk's legal issues.

KAM+6 06-28-2025 09:43 AM

So, You think that harassment and intimidation of witnesses and the family of John, even children are OK. Including ANYONE that supports the OKeefes.

How would you like a "rolling rally" over 100 cars outside your house, with bullhorns, calling you murders ??. Outside your job??? At your children's sports events and school?? Unrelenting harassment and death threats so you won't testify?? Death threats to the judge, who needed security. Threats to jurors if they didn't get the outcome they want??

Is that the way you think trials should be conducted, on social media by the "Mob" you saw outside the court. All orchestrated by Karen and her team of bloggers. You know, the bloggers sitting with her family in court. The links you posted on this page?? They are making a living of this case with the conspiracy.

Toilet turd has 18 felony charges with his trial coming up next week. He has already posted a warning to Karen stating he'll throw her under the bus to save himself.

Is that the way trials are conducted now and in the future??

ithos 06-28-2025 09:51 AM

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Originally Posted by BrianL99 (Post 2441902)
It's not really fair to make judgements based on someone's chosen career path or how they spend their time. Folks are entitled to live their lives as the chose.

She might feel working at Target offers her less stress and more time to spend with her 4 young children, rather than spending her life in front of a keyboard and/or TV, researching, commenting and editorializing on other folk's legal issues.

In the US she does not meet the requirments to practice law. She was very impressive in the several podcasts that I watched.

BrianL99 06-28-2025 11:52 AM

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Originally Posted by ithos (Post 2441926)
In the US she does not meet the requirments to practice law. She was very impressive in the several podcasts that I watched.

My Niece has a Law Degree and passed the Bar exam, her first shot at it. She's never practiced law, a day in her life. She spends her days, raising her 3 children and volunteering in her community. Target offered her a job, but she passed.


What shocks me about some people's reaction to the Read case, is it was such a simple and straight forward case. The was no racial overtones. No mother/children/parent connections. No "rock star" defendant or victim. This was simple, non-murder case, with no real reason for anyone to have a visceral reaction to the verdict ... yet some can't let it go.

Nikki369 06-28-2025 05:32 PM

‘Karen Read is innocent’: Jury foreman speaks out after verdict. “Karen Read is innocent, and she didn’t do this crime,” the foreman said during an appearance on the “TODAY” show Tuesday. “No one could prove that she did this crime. So I looked at her from Day 1 as an innocent woman that needed to be proven guilty, and I don’t think any of that was shown in this process.”

Taltarzac725 06-29-2025 06:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Nikki369 (Post 2441996)
‘Karen Read is innocent’: Jury foreman speaks out after verdict. “Karen Read is innocent, and she didn’t do this crime,” the foreman said during an appearance on the “TODAY” show Tuesday. “No one could prove that she did this crime. So I looked at her from Day 1 as an innocent woman that needed to be proven guilty, and I don’t think any of that was shown in this process.”

Sounds right. Always glad when common sense rules the day, so to speak .

KAM+6 06-29-2025 11:16 AM

Karen Read killed Johnny 17 seconds after he exited her SUV. Drove 34' in forward, slammed it in reverse and hit him. Confirmed by SUV tech stream data and Johns phone GPS and health app. She call him , starting minutes later, 54 times and every call pinged at the flagpole area where he was found hours later by Karen X-Ray eyes in pitch dark, from the back seat, in a mound beneath a foot of snow.
Johnny NEVER entered the house. She Never call 911, or even got out of her car to check. Her tailligh pieces, his sneaker found under 3feet of snowbank. Microscopic taillight shards found in his clothes.

Extensive FBI investigation showed only Karen was responsible for Johnny's death.

KAM+6 06-30-2025 07:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Eg_cruz (Post 2441186)
Except his body was beat up. Had dog bites all over his arm, blunt force hit on the back of his head, and swollen eyes and beat up face. He would not have gotten those if had just passed out in the snow

NO dog DNA, NO lower teeth marks, NO puncture wounds, NO dog hair = NO dog attack.

Blunt force trauma on back of his head was caused by head hitting frozen ground , confirmed testimony by three ME. He had "racoon eyes". Blood vessels broke when his brain forced forward. NO orbital fractures, indicating punched in eyes. NO beat up face or body consistent with being in a fight.

Tech stream data from her SUV matches with Johns phone to the second. She went forward 34 feet, slammed it in reverse and clipped him, throwing him 10 feet into the lawn. He exited her SUV and his phone stopped moving 17 seconds later. His health app shows his heart stopped beating also. NONE of Tech stream and GPS and health data was EVER disputed by the defence because it is BULLETPROOF.

Her defense lawyer stated to the court " it was an unintended accident " and to the press, on the courthouse steps, the day of her arrangement.

ithos 06-30-2025 08:19 AM

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Originally Posted by KAM+6 (Post 2442306)
NO dog DNA, NO lower teeth marks, NO puncture wounds, NO dog hair = NO dog attack.

Blunt force trauma on back of his head was caused by head hitting frozen ground , confirmed testimony by three ME. He had "racoon eyes". Blood vessels broke when his brain forced forward. NO orbital fractures, indicating punched in eyes. NO beat up face or body consistent with being in a fight.

Tech stream data from her SUV matches with Johns phone to the second. She went forward 34 feet, slammed it in reverse and clipped him, throwing him 10 feet into the lawn. He exited her SUV and his phone stopped moving 17 seconds later. His health app shows his heart stopped beating also. NONE of Tech stream and GPS and health data was EVER disputed by the defence because it is BULLETPROOF.

Her defense lawyer stated to the court " it was an unintended accident " and to the press, on the courthouse steps, the day of her arrangement.

Video and eyewitness testimony proves beyond all doubt that the taillight was not busted out after she dropped O'keefe off at the Albert's home.

It is delusional to believe all those parallel scratches on his arm was a result of impact with a taillight.

KAM+6 06-30-2025 08:48 AM

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Originally Posted by ithos (Post 2441578)
And here is the testimony of a police officer who assisted in towing Karen Read's SUV away from her house after the murder. He testified that there were cracks but most of the lens was in still there.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hb8xjHDwLy8
Sergeant Nicholas Barros testified that when he saw Karen Read’s SUV in Dighton, the taillight damage was nowhere near as severe as the photos now being shown in court. He says it was cracked but intact, with bulbs and tabs still in place. So why did the damage look so much worse after the vehicle had been moved to Canton PD, under Trooper Proctor’s supervision? This video breaks down the suspicious timeline, lack of documentation, and what it could mean for the prosecution’s case.

Why didn't you show Court TV trial of Barros complete testimony that included cross exam??? You chose only the direct posted by a "blogger" . Hank Brennan successfully had Barros admit that the taillight damage he saw was EXACTLY like the photo of dash cam video taken 8 hours earlier before Karen and her dad took it to Dighton. An additional foot of snow had fallen during that time. The defense showed a photo of SUV with NO snow or snow packed tailight.

Also he admitted he testified in first trial that there was a dent in the tailgate. Which he mysteriously left out in this testimony.

KAM+6 06-30-2025 09:14 AM

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Originally Posted by ithos (Post 2442315)
Video and eyewitness testimony proves beyond all doubt that the taillight was not busted out after she dropped O'keefe off at the Albert's home.

It is delusional to believe all those parallel scratches on his arm was a result of impact with a taillight.

It is delusional to believe those scratches are dog bites unless its from a hairless dog with no DNA or lower jaw.

Where is the witness or video showing taillight was not busted out. ??

He was found in a field debris of her tailight and microscopic taillight shards in his shirt.

Where is the witness Jacka$$ promised in opening statement that saw john in the house??

Karen's words" I pulled to the foot of the driveway and he went up the driveway and saw his head go in. LIE, truck right behind her pulled across driveway with four witnesses.
"I waited there and called him a few times.". LIE Her phone never called him.
" I left him at the Waterfall bar". LIE
" Nobody knows where the F you are". LIE.
" I called his friends about 1". LIE. Never called anyone but Daddy , left text " "Johns dead". Before he was found by her under a foot of snow with her X-Ray eyes.
" John was hit by a plow"
Dateline. " He didn't look mortality wounded ". Denis Murphy, " That would have been when you dropped him off , right". Karen " Yes, it would have to have been"

kingofbeer 06-30-2025 06:10 PM

Who is turd boy? Watched 20/20 show about Karen Read. She seems to be very joyful about being in the public eye.Something is not right about her. Not sure why a state trooper was assigned as the lead investigator. Looks like she sped away in her SUV and then backed up into O'Keefe at a high rate of speed.

ithos 06-30-2025 08:59 PM

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Originally Posted by KAM+6 (Post 2442323)
Why didn't you show Court TV trial of Barros complete testimony that included cross exam??? You chose only the direct posted by a "blogger" . Hank Brennan successfully had Barros admit that the taillight damage he saw was EXACTLY like the photo of dash cam video taken 8 hours earlier before Karen and her dad took it to Dighton. An additional foot of snow had fallen during that time. The defense showed a photo of SUV with NO snow or snow packed tailight.

Also he admitted he testified in first trial that there was a dent in the tailgate. Which he mysteriously left out in this testimony.

Video Proof that Read's SUV tailight was intact except for a crack(from backing into O'keefes SUV) after she left Fairview at John O'keefes home.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4bN4xCV17g0 (1:40)
Video Proof that tailight was intact when it was loaded onto the tow truck and testimony of police officer.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XF182-pehEs (16.01)
Tailight wasn't shattered until it was towed to the Sallyport. Case Closed.

KAM+6 06-30-2025 10:04 PM

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Originally Posted by ithos (Post 2442455)
Video Proof that Read's SUV tailight was intact except for a crack(from backing into O'keefes SUV) after she left Fairview at John O'keefes home.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4bN4xCV17g0 (1:40)
Video Proof that tailight was intact when it was loaded onto the tow truck and testimony of police officer.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XF182-pehEs (16.01)
Tailight wasn't shattered until it was towed to the Sallyport. Case Closed.

The Court TV complete trial is the only acceptable video. It CLEARLY shows Barrow cross exam, him stating that the ring cam at 5:07am has a broken taillight and also the dash cam of police cruiser at 8:23 has a broken right taillight on SUV. He admitted under oath that was EXACTLY what he saw.
EIGHT hours before police went to her parents house to get the SUV. First SERT team arrived at Fairview just before 5pm, rest arrived within 20 min. Several police and a News crew were filming. 9 Sert team worked, shoulder to shoulder, digging a 3 ft snowbank, news crew and state police filming. First piece was found 5:40 , BEFORE SUV arrived at sallyport. They went on to collect several more pieces, a sneaker, his hat. ALL under 3 ft snowbank.

BrianL99 07-01-2025 04:34 AM

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Originally Posted by kingofbeer (Post 2442439)
Who is turd boy? Watched 20/20 show about Karen Read. She seems to be very joyful about being in the public eye.Something is not right about her. Not sure why a state trooper was assigned as the lead investigator. Looks like she sped away in her SUV and then backed up into O'Keefe at a high rate of speed.

"Turd Boy" is Turtle Boy (Aidan Kearney), who's a school teacher, turned award winning blogger and news source.

He focuses on defending 1st Amendment rights and exposing corruption in state/local government, particularly police departments and other agencies that hide behind the blue curtain and other such cultural conspiracies.

Many of the charges against him have been dismissed and the others are simply Aiden being harassed by agencies and institutions who have been embarrassed by his attempts to shine a spotlight on corruption.

He's exposed a number of scandals in MA, notably a MA State Police Trooper, with a history of drug dealing and money laundering.

The 1st Amendment is a tricky subject. Everyone seems to consider it inviolate and a foundation of our country ... until someone starts talking about tough subjects we don't agree with. We either have the right to free speech or we don't ... there's no "sort of".

ithos 07-01-2025 06:16 PM

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Originally Posted by KAM+6 (Post 2442457)
The Court TV complete trial is the only acceptable video. It CLEARLY shows Barrow cross exam, him stating that the ring cam at 5:07am has a broken taillight and also the dash cam of police cruiser at 8:23 has a broken right taillight on SUV. He admitted under oath that was EXACTLY what he saw.
EIGHT hours before police went to her parents house to get the SUV. First SERT team arrived at Fairview just before 5pm, rest arrived within 20 min. Several police and a News crew were filming. 9 Sert team worked, shoulder to shoulder, digging a 3 ft snowbank, news crew and state police filming. First piece was found 5:40 , BEFORE SUV arrived at sallyport. They went on to collect several more pieces, a sneaker, his hat. ALL under 3 ft snowbank.

We don't need any witness testimony because there are two videos in my previous post that proved beyond a shadow of any doubt that the tailight was mostly intact well after the death of John O'keefe. Therefore it is an absolute impossibilty that the tailight was a factor in John O'Keefe's death. And if he had been hit by an SUV and flung in the air there would be large bruises on his body. Not parallel animal scratches/bite wounds.

The pieces were planted slowly over time. That is why it took three weeks to find them all. And it is no coincidence that the video of the sallyport was doctored which was shown in the first trial.

And there was another coverup attempted by the Canton Police that involved the murder of a young woman initially classified as a suicide.
Microscope on Norfolk County as feds investigate deaths of Sandra Birchmore, John O'Keefe - CBS Boston
Play

BrianL99 07-01-2025 06:28 PM

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Originally Posted by KAM+6 (Post 2442523)
He is a former teacher , fired for inappropriate conduct with sutdents. He is no journalist. Journalists seek the truth. He is a blogger making thousands of dollars of the likes of fools paying.

If you call hararassing innocent people including children and family of victims and organizing a "mob" to go after them you are as sick as him Brian 99. Its all on video.

He has already pleaded the 5th in Read case because he is a COWARD and is crying ,literally, about going to jail.

Is this the way trials are going to conducted now.??? Harrass family, innocent witnesses, victiims, pollute the jury with threats and online bulling under the guise of first amendment??. Follow people into stores with video cam, calling their job or place of business, with a bullhorn calling them murders.??
Kearney and Karen , her defence team orchestrated the whole conspiracy. Now they are distancing them from him and he is crying.


Kearney is the Scumb of the earth. NONE of the charges in this case have been dismissed.

Facts matter and this post is short on facts, long on speculation and innuendo..

Dismissed: Judge dismisses some charges against '''Turtleboy,''' but rejects First Amendment argument

Found Not Guilty: Aidan Kearney a.k.a. '''Turtleboy''' acquitted of restraining order violation

KAM+6 07-01-2025 06:53 PM

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Originally Posted by ithos (Post 2442652)
We don't need any witness testimony because there are two videos in my previous post that proved beyond a shadow of any doubt that the tailight was mostly intact well after the death of John O'keefe. Therefore it is an absolute impossibilty that the tailight was a factor in John O'Keefe's death. And if he had been hit by an SUV and flung in the air there would be large bruises on his body. Not parallel animal scratches/bite wounds.

The pieces were planted slowly over time. That is why it took three weeks to find them all. And it is no coincidence that the video of the sallyport was doctored which was shown in the first trial.

And there was another coverup attempted by the Canton Police that involved the murder of a young woman initially classified as a suicide.
Microscope on Norfolk County as feds investigate deaths of Sandra Birchmore, John O'Keefe - CBS Boston
Play

Yes, the video of actuall trial is correct of Barros. The CROSS by Brennan where Barros ADMITTED that what he saw was EXACTLY like the taillight he saw, NOT like the photo Shown by defence of the sally port where all the blizzard snow was packed in it.and had melted Barros never went to the sallyport. The photos and videos were taken 8 hours before her parents took her SUV to their house 40 miles way. CLEARLY show broken tailight compared to left side tailight HOURS before police took SUV.

Sert team started shoveling a 3 ft snow bank at 5:20, with several police, and a news crew filming. First pieces were found about 5:30. SUV was still being towed to Canton, all on dash cam video. Also found was his sneaker , hat and straw from drink Karen said he took from her car when he exited. Several pieces were found as the snow melted. This was one of the worst blizzard in Canton history with over 24" and snow drifts over 3'.

Tech stream data from her SUV recorded it went 34' forward, slammed into reverse 80+' . with a pedestrian strike. Timestamp correlated with GPS and health app on Johnny's phone. Johnny died 17 seconds after exiting her SUV.

Johnny NEVER entered the house. Karen hit him and left him to DIE in the blizzard. She called him 54times and every called pinged where he was found. She never called 911 but she did call Daddy at 1am??? FBI investigation concluded only Karen was responsible. No one else was charged.

ithos 07-01-2025 07:28 PM

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Originally Posted by BrianL99 (Post 2442655)

TurtleBoy is a pugnacious independent journalist that exposes abuses and corruption of those who have been granted considerable power and influence inherent of their government roles. His motives are righteous despite the fact he has a potty mouth.
He has also done a magnificent job of making the the scapegoating of Karen Read a cause célèbre.

ithos 07-01-2025 07:36 PM

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Originally Posted by KAM+6 (Post 2442659)
Yes, the video of actuall trial is correct of Barros. The CROSS by Brennan where Barros ADMITTED that what he saw was EXACTLY like the taillight he saw, NOT like the photo Shown by defence of the sally port where all the blizzard snow was packed in it.and had melted Barros never went to the sallyport. The photos and videos were taken 8 hours before her parents took her SUV to their house 40 miles way. CLEARLY show broken tailight compared to left side tailight HOURS before police took SUV.

Sert team started shoveling a 3 ft snow bank at 5:20, with several police, and a news crew filming. First pieces were found about 5:30. SUV was still being towed to Canton, all on dash cam video. Also found was his sneaker , hat and straw from drink Karen said he took from her car when he exited. Several pieces were found as the snow melted. This was one of the worst blizzard in Canton history with over 24" and snow drifts over 3'.

Tech stream data from her SUV recorded it went 34' forward, slammed into reverse 80+' . with a pedestrian strike. Timestamp correlated with GPS and health app on Johnny's phone. Johnny died 17 seconds after exiting her SUV.

Johnny NEVER entered the house. Karen hit him and left him to DIE in the blizzard.

The 12 jurors and alternatives clearly disagree. Almost all were interviewed and said they believed she was innocent, not merely Not Guilty. There is an avalanche of evidence proving that John O'keefe entered the house. But in the second trial the lawyers focus was narrowed to just meeting the low bar of "beyond a reasonable doubt"
You still continue to avoid explaing how a impact with a SUV causes scratches without leaving any bruises.

BrianL99 07-01-2025 08:23 PM

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Originally Posted by ithos (Post 2442663)
The 12 jurors and alternatives clearly disagree. Almost all were interviewed and said they believed she was innocent, not merely Not Guilty. There is an avalanche of evidence proving that John O'keefe entered the house. But in the second trial the lawyers focus was narrowed to just meeting the low bar of "beyond a reasonable doubt"
You still continue to avoid explaing how a impact with a SUV causes scratches without leaving any bruises.

The Karen Reed trial still gets at least an hour of TV coverage, every night in Boston. Her lawyers were being interviewed tonight.

It's clear the Prosecution was out classed, despite spending $1,000,000+, just for the "heavy hitter" (Hank Brennan) they brought in. Such spending is needed, when you have a case, based on facts and evidence.

One issue her defense attorneys both brought up, was the issue of Read being "over charged". If O'Keefe wasn't a Boston Police Officer, she would have been charged with Vehicular Homicide and made a deal. The Prosecutors bit off way more than they could chew and they paid for it.

As for Aiden, I don't always like his approach, but I typically agree with his targets. I was personally involved with one of his cause célèbres and he's relentless at digging up the truth and trying to help level the playing field.


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