Hopefully with all his money and connections he'll have a better chance than most

Some of this is happy horse manure. We didn't tell our children that we would understand if they ended up nearly dead in a whore house because after all some of us are born with addictive personalities. We tried to teach them what we were taught; to stay away from trouble and if you lay down with dogs you are gonna get up with fleas. We were told if we got arrested we weren't going to get bailed out and that if we burnt our butt we would sit on the blister.


I was pretty hard on my kids and my folks were hard on me. There was a lot of addiction going on in my family. Alcohol was badly overused by several, but that didn't keep anyone from pointing out that it wasn't anything to be proud of and that it could ruin your life.


I don't think I lack compassion but I save it for the things that can't be avoided. We weren't religiously against alcohol. I am the granddaughter of European immigrants and wine was served every evening. My father and grandfather were brewmasters. But a lot was expected from us. And we expected a lot from our kids.

Very difficult for someone like him with all his money and celebrity to reach the bottom necessary to surrender. In best of cases, only about 30% of those attending AA ever stay sober. Also very difficult for the average person to understand the power of this physical, mental and spiritual disease. Unless you get real help,p and deal with all the aspects, not the phoney expensive celeb rehabs, it will be impossible to arrest the disease that is never cured. Look at what recently happened to Heisman Trophy winner Johnny Manzel who still does not realize that it is the first drink that gets you drunk.

The man is talking and texting.
Thanks for another chance...

What I typed above was in frustration and anger. I think I understand addiction pretty well. But I grow tired of folks labeling some things when I know darn well that folks don't have to end up like this.


I hate, hate, hate what has happened to this country and the world because of drugs. I wish we could send all of our worlds combined military strength into the source of all this and eradicate it. That of course would put innocent people out of work who tend the poppies. People who have babies and homes.


I wish that they would make laws to stop drugs. But they have laws and drugs are illegal. I remember when no one I knew or anyone they knew ever heard of drugs. We just had drunks. The doctor came to the house and gave you little envelopes with pills when you were sick. Good kind saving drugs, antibiotics were just beginning. People didn't have enough of anything to overcome the pain when they were dying of cancer.


I don't like to turn on the television every night and see the people who have been killed probably because of their drug debts. I don't like to see the people who grow up in areas where big success is being a drug dealer.


I want to yell at someone to fix all of this, but as I grow older I have far fewer answers and far more questions.


I guess that I am just lucky it didn't happen to me or mine because addiction is genetic and it sure runs in my family. People with addictive personalities almost always are sensitive and fragile. And I just remembered someone that I do know that grew up in a strict family that died as a result of addiction.


I am sorry I said what I said. I wish I could fix this horrible thing called drugs. I do need to remember to not be so damn stubborn and judgmental. But I am sure I will do it again. We sometimes can't help being who we are. And we can't change it drastically. We are stuck being us.

Business as usual...those who feel he was a waste of good oxygen and those who feel sadness when a leaf falls from a tree....

Death...happens 1000x every day...can't be helped...you can spend your life feeling sad for those who pass and those left behind or you can keep a smile on your face and a song in your heart...I prefer the later....I do not find it humorous when folks die, but if they bring it upon themselves I think they're stupid and deserve what happens...as to those they left behind-shed a tear then move on and hope no one else is that stupid....

Actually about 154,600 people die each day----Maybe that's the ultimate joke about life on Earth. Ever think, why 80 or so years? Why can a tree live thousands and a may fly 1 day? There is obviously something coded into every things DNA that determines this, environmental factors aside.

Golfing Eagles. This is not meant to criticize you but his money and fame will be the most serious obstacles in a path to recovery. There is an interesting article about the Kardisjans reaction and possible role in this mans decline. It really makes you want to puke. See the NY Post. This family represents best the decline in America and yet still has many viewers. It is in unfathomable to me. Yes, I know this is a free Country.

It may very well a big obstacle. But at least it gives him access to first class addiction treatment. Many other addicts aren't in a position to get that care. What he does from there is up to him

Gracie, no apology is necessary. You seem to understand this serious problem better than most. It is interesting to see how the Ksrdashians are trying very successfully so to control the story and their possible role in pushing this man over the edge. We are all a product of our environment and he was part of that low life family for a while, as I understand it. I wonder just what drives good folks to watch such trash.

From a recent survey, approval of an assortment of items in descending order:

Brussels sprouts
Lice
Colonoscopies
Root canals
Used car salesmen
traffic jams
France
cockroaches
Genghis Khan

Congress

Lindsey Lohan
Bullies
Telemarketers
Gonorrhea
Ebola

The Kardashians

North Korea
meth labs

All addicts have the same access to care if they really want it. AA and similar type meetings are free and help more than any other treatment. All it takes is a phone call. The amount of money you spend is of little significance. You can spend $100 an hour ( or $1000) an hour for one psychiatrist or $1.00 ( typical AA donation) an hour and get the benefit of 100 people who understand the disease better. Your last sentence says it all. It is up to him. We have all seemingly diagnosed this man as needing help yet it is his self diagnosis that is the only one that counts. I have a feeling that once he wakes up surrounded by that reprehensible family, he will again be diagnosed as being "cured".

I don't think meetings are going to cut it for him.. He needs intensive inpatient treatment. At an upscale place, like that Malibu place that's advertised, his fellow patients are likely to be Hollywood celebrities, idle rich, and fallen sports heroes. He may relate better to them than a Narcotics Anonymous meeting in Harlem (then again, maybe not)

Class status has nothing to do with this. There are no high class or low class drunks or addicts. Just drunks and addicts. If this man has a problem he has to view himself as equal or lower than Harlem drunk sitting on a curb with a bottle in a paper bag or under the stairwell with a needle in his arm.

Maybe!?

That view is in the eye of the beholder since either class that has never been in one or the other has no such relationship issue to feel better/worse about or relate to and even if they did it would most likely not affect the direction to be taken next.

No Billy, that view is in the eye of the experts and those who have been through it. Fact is that putting investment bankers in the same rehab group with other investment bankers is exactly what is not done. More likely they would be placed in a group with curbside alcoholics.

Maybe he was lining up an incredible number of them...

To much money, not enough brains

Such a waste of life. And such a shame. I don't care how much he wasted his life, it is still a life.

I don't care how old your grandfather is he shouldn't be biting hookers!

Odom
 

It's breaking my heart

I am wondering how some in the generation of us that grew up watching shows like My Three Sons Ozzie and Harriet, Gunsmoke, Gary Moore, Loretta Young, Andy Williams ETC have now sunk into the immoral abyss of now watching what surely represents the worst of society ...the Kardishian Family. Really mind boggling.

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