Originally Posted by JimJohnson (Post 1681011)

In the Netherlands, even elective surgery like breast Enhancement is only 6 weeks. 4 months waiting for a required surgery is not true. We all must do fact checking before making untrue statements. This is about health and could have a negative affect on someone’s mental status.

Originally Posted by retiredguy123 (Post 1681005)

I went to the link, but it looks like you have to pay to read the statistics?

Originally Posted by geofitz13 (Post 1681026)

When comparing health care systems of various countries, we need to look at what seems, at first, to be unrelated spending. That is, defense spending. Look at the tax rates in the countries that have been cited: Canada, Netherlands, Sweeden. Virtually no military spending, so their near-confiscatory tax rates can support universal health care. If the US were to eliminate military spending, or drastically cut such spending, and then adopt the same near-confiscatory tax rates, we could afford universal health care. I'm not at all convinced that going that route would be advisable. I can't imagine any other country coming to our defense.

Originally Posted by JimJohnson (Post 1681011)

In the Netherlands, even elective surgery like breast Enhancement is only 6 weeks. 4 months waiting for a required surgery is not true. We all must do fact checking before making untrue statements. This is about health and could have a negative affect on someone’s mental status.

Originally Posted by retiredguy123 (Post 1680914)

I agree, but there are 70 million people enrolled on Medicaid and 43 million on Medicare. So, there must be a lot of doctors accepting these programs.

Originally Posted by retiredguy123 (Post 1680977)

It is interesting that the link provided doesn't say anything about a four month wait for a major, time sensitive surgery. Seems like that would be an important thing to include in the health care description.

Originally Posted by Aloha1 (Post 1681076)

A couple brief points; First, what is ALWAYS overlooked in these discussions is the fact that Health Insurance IS NOT Health Care. We have a severe shortage of physicians in this country that is only getting worse. We need 10,000 more Physicians today and double that in 15 years. Why is this happening? Because older Physicians are retiring and not enough new ones are being trained. It takes a minimum of 12 years to turn out a newly minted Doc and these highly skilled life savers are not going to work for free. So, add another 50 million or so to an already understaffed system and what you get is not health care but triage which leads to substandard health care for all.

Another fact that is overlooked is that most of the other systems cited around the world as proof that government controlled health care works are generally countries with a fraction of the population of the U.S. Example New Zealand - great general care but population of 5 million. Same with any EU country. We have 325 million people in this country. You cannot compare us to countries with a fraction of that population.

Finally, the ACA was supposed to give INSURANCE to 30 million uninsured. Now all the Democrats are running from the program they supported lock, stock, and barrel. Why is that? Because the American people do not want to be told what to do, they want freedom of choice. And they have learned that health insurance is NOT health care.

More later

Originally Posted by JGVillages (Post 1681064)

Any service or benefit provided will not be free. Here is the problem I have placing government in charge. Our Government has paid $14,000 each for 3D printed toilet seat lids, $436 for hammers, $117 for soap dish covers, $999 for pliers, and on and on. Government has proven consistently that it cannot manage efficiently. For four decades Congress, that is mandated to pass a budget annually, has only done so 4 times, 1977~1989~1995~1997. With this in mind I cannot in good conscience support placing our Government in charge of Medicare for all, not withstanding all the other “FREE” services that are under discussion. The more we are taxed only increases the percentage/amount of wasted spending that will follow. Tax revenues will be paying for all of this. The concept of Medicare for all, healthcare for all, etc., etc., may or may not be bad concepts, except for the proposed manager of these plans, the US Government.

Originally Posted by Northwoods (Post 1681106)

I have one request for any universal healthcare system that is implemented in the U.S. All of Congress has to give up their current healthcare package and be put on the universal healthcare system. They have to pay any fees not paid by the universal healthcare system. I do think that will make them pay a little more attention to what they vote into law.

Originally Posted by Northwoods (Post 1681106)

I have one request for any universal healthcare system that is implemented in the U.S. All of Congress has to give up their current healthcare package and be put on the universal healthcare system. They have to pay any fees not paid by the universal healthcare system. I do think that will make them pay a little more attention to what they vote into law.

Originally Posted by mtdjed (Post 1680864)

What is Medicare for all with no premiums, no co pays, no Doctor limitations and the only premium for it is a $200 max cost for drugs/year. That does not sound like Medicare that I have. I have co pays, premiums and pay extra to have drug coverage and this after paying for years. Also certain coverages stop after awhile. My health care is not a right.

This campaign should not be calling this Medicare because it has no resemblance to Medicare which is not free by any measure.