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Carl in Tampa 07-26-2017 09:35 PM

Hummm.
 
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Originally Posted by plrbr1120 (Post 1428761)
Yes. We experienced it first hand after a loss in our family. Was with a well known medium from New York. His name is George Anderson. And the reading was legit.

"George Anderson is one of the country’s three major “psychic mediums.” He may be less well known than John Edward and James Van Praagh, but like the others he charges the bereaved a small fortune for the opportunity to ostensibly communicate with a departed loved one." -- Introduction by Gary Posner, MD

Close Encounter of the Secondhand Kind with ‘Psychic Medium’ George Anderson - CSI

manaboutown 07-26-2017 10:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Carl in Tampa (Post 1428776)
"George Anderson is one of the country’s three major “psychic mediums.” He may be less well known than John Edward and James Van Praagh, but like the others he charges the bereaved a small fortune for the opportunity to ostensibly communicate with a departed loved one." -- Introduction by Gary Posner, MD

Close Encounter of the Secondhand Kind with ‘Psychic Medium’ George Anderson - CSI

These mediums remind me of some of the touted high priced singles matchmaking/dating services except they promise to match the living with the permanently departed.

Barefoot 07-26-2017 10:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Taltarzac725 (Post 1428369)

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Originally Posted by Taltarzac725 (Post 1428407)
Suzanne Giesemann - Home | Facebook
I would love to hear from people who have actually been to one of these mediums like Suzanne Giesemann.

I have no doubt that most mediums are money-hungry imposters; but a special few are genuine.
I had a private reading with Suzanne about 6 years ago. (She now has a two-year waiting list).
Suzanne is an evidence-based medium, and she offered me indisputable (to me) evidence of contact with the spirit world.
I've also attended Suzanne's monthly sessions at the Unity Church for the past seven years.
I've grown to believe that Suzanne is a genuine and gifted medium.
I understand that some people are skeptics -- belief systems are complex and personal.
I'm posting to answer Tal's question, not to
try to change anyone's mind.

rubicon 07-27-2017 04:35 AM

We once had to do research for a business matter and discovered that Wickun (witches) were the 7th largest religion. People will believe almost anything and PT Barnum made a fortunate understanding that fact.


Now I see dead people ( Sixth Sense) great movie

Challenger 07-27-2017 04:59 AM

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Originally Posted by rubicon (Post 1428801)
We once had to do research for a business matter and discovered that Wickun (witches) were the 7th largest religion. People will believe almost anything and PT Barnum made a fortunate understanding that fact.


Now I see dead people ( Sixth Sense) great movie

What do witches use for a symbol? I think I saw something is a front yard yesterday:boom:

biker1 07-27-2017 05:33 AM

You bring up an important point (highlighted below). Some people's belief systems are based on faith and other people's belief systems are based on facts.

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Originally Posted by Barefoot (Post 1428787)
I have no doubt that most mediums are money-hungry imposters; but a special few are genuine.
I had a private reading with Suzanne about 6 years ago. (She now has a two-year waiting list).
Suzanne is an evidence-based medium, and she offered me indisputable (to me) evidence of contact with the spirit world.
I've also attended Suzanne's monthly sessions at the Unity Church for the past seven years.
I've grown to believe that Suzanne is a genuine and gifted medium.
I understand that some people are skeptics -- belief systems are complex and personal.
I'm posting to answer Tal's question, not to
try to change anyone's mind.


aninjamom 07-27-2017 05:53 AM

Someone mentioned that it was a Unitarian Church. Not a Christian one. "If you stand for nothing, you will fall for anything."

Mrs. Robinson 07-27-2017 06:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Wiotte (Post 1428585)
My last posting regarding this was deleted. Again, what Christian church would allow a medium through it's doors ? Am I missing something here ?

A very interesting thought that gets one thinking.

Could it be that she's a member of that church?
Perhaps she's donating some of the proceeds to the church?

No, I don't think you're missing anything but I can't help but think there must be a common link that makes sense because on the surface, it doesn't.

Allegiance 07-27-2017 06:45 AM

These people are the lowest of the low. Preying on people with weak minds, many that have recently experienced loss.


7 Tricks Psychics And Mediums Use - How Psychics Use Cold Reading, The Forer Effect - Thrillist

Taltarzac725 07-27-2017 06:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Barefoot (Post 1428787)
I have no doubt that most mediums are money-hungry imposters; but a special few are genuine.
I had a private reading with Suzanne about 6 years ago. (She now has a two-year waiting list).
Suzanne is an evidence-based medium, and she offered me indisputable (to me) evidence of contact with the spirit world.
I've also attended Suzanne's monthly sessions at the Unity Church for the past seven years.
I've grown to believe that Suzanne is a genuine and gifted medium.
I understand that some people are skeptics -- belief systems are complex and personal.
I'm posting to answer Tal's question, not to
try to change anyone's mind.

Good to hear from you Barefoot.

Mrs. Robinson 07-27-2017 06:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by aninjamom (Post 1428809)
Someone mentioned that it was a Unitarian Church. Not a Christian one. "If you stand for nothing, you will fall for anything."

Are you saying that because this church is not a Christian church, it is no good and worthless?

That's what I am understanding from your quote which indicates you have no tolerance for Unitarianism.

maureenod 07-27-2017 07:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Wiotte (Post 1428717)
My blessed mother shoved a fifth of Irish whiskey under her dead fathers arm while he slept in his coffin. Trust me, that bottle is empty now.:pray:

When Paddy was on his death bed, he told his wife, Mary, be wanted to take his money with him. He made her promise to carry out his last request.

When he died, and the funeral was over, her son ask.

"Mom, did you carry out his last request"

" Yes, son, my word is golden, he took his money with him. Last night when everyone was gone and I said my final goodbye, I slipped a check into his pocket.

Boomer 07-27-2017 08:12 AM

Somebody, somewhere in this thread started in on the Unitarians.

Just for the record -- Unity and Unitarian are not the same church.

You could ask Google if you want to know what those differences are.

graciegirl 07-27-2017 08:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Mrs. Robinson (Post 1428838)
Are you saying that because this church is not a Christian church, it is no good and worthless?

That's what I am understanding from your quote which indicates you have no tolerance for Unitarianism.

Tolerance is a tricky thing. There are those with no tolerance for crosses in yards.

I have little patience (tolerance) with people who ignore deed restrictions.

I think REAL intolerance is easy to spot, THAT kind of intolerance. Hateful intolerance...... THAT kind is the kind spoiling for a fight. I say...........the more churches the better. And synagogues...and kind and loving people who look for good. I am INtolerant of all religions that want to kill people in TODAY's world.

Just because some people may not be accepting of Unitarianism as their religion doesn't mean they hate Unitarians. Quilters don't like sculpting sometimes. Everyone is different or they would only sell vanilla ice cream.

Taltarzac725 07-27-2017 09:13 AM

Thanks Graciegirl for starting a thread on a fascinating subject. We have probably been talking about this topic as long as humans could communicate with one another.

justjim 07-27-2017 10:18 AM

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Originally Posted by graciegirl (Post 1428364)
I think I remember in the original thread there was mention of tickets to see this local woman at the Unitarian Church? Tickets usually mean money.

As other posts have mentioned (but worth repeating) the Unitarian Church is not considered by most Christian denominations as "mainline". A Mega-Church is generally defined as a church that has an average of 2,000 or more attendees weekly for a year. There are many fine mega-churches and some located right here in The Villages. Frankly, no experience with the prime subject matter but skeptical.

Barefoot 07-27-2017 10:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Barefoot (Post 1428787)
I've also attended Suzanne's monthly sessions at the Unity Church for the past seven years.

Quote:

Originally Posted by aninjamom (Post 1428809)
Someone mentioned that it was a Unitarian Church. Not a Christian one.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Boomer (Post 1428881)
Somebody, somewhere in this thread started in on the Unitarians. Just for the record -- Unity and Unitarian are not the same church.

Just to set the record straight:
Suzanne previously rented a meeting room at the Unity Church in Summerfield.
The entrance fee of $5 was donated to the Unity Church for room rental.
(The Synagogue on CR 101 also has meeting rooms for rent, but I'm getting sidetracked.)
Now that the Unity Church has built a new Unity Spiritual Center in Fruitland Park, Suzanne holds her monthly meetings there.


Rapscallion St Croix 07-27-2017 10:53 AM

This thread has intrigued me so I hired a medium to help me resolve some issues. I thought it worth a shot. We sat in my front yard in front of a statue of St Drogo The Bilocator, patron saint of ugly people. I use this ornament to hide my little white cross. To ensure a pleasant experience, I hired a DJ from one of the local swimming pools to play some oldies. Our goal was to communicate with the spirit of Nicola Tesla so he could help me figure out why my 2005 gas powered Club Car keeps destroying starter solenoids. Those babies cost $34 and the medium was only charging $19.99 through a Groupon deal. After a few minutes, we achieved a bit of a breakthrough, but my joy was short lived. We had reached the spirit of Sir George Sitwell, fourth Baronet of Renishaw, Derbyshire, England (1860-1943) Talk about a jerk! He began by demanding that we not contradict him in any way, as it interferes with the functioning of the gastric juices and prevents his sleeping at night. We quickly apologized for dialing a wrong number and moved on. Next came a brief exchange with Bob Marley who told us, “The devil ain’t got no power over me. The devil come, and me shake hands with the devil. Devil have his part to play. Devil’s a good friend, too… because when you don’t know him, that’s the time he can mosh you down.” He also added, "Your music sucks". This seemed to distress the DJ who began composing a letter to the editor on his iPad. Not much of a multi-tasker, he stopped playing music. After connecting with my old maid aunt who said, "I told you to buy an electric cart but you never listen" and Harvey Penick who told me my right hand grip was too strong, I was feeling somewhat encouraged. We were just hitting a groove when a neighbor came by and threatened to anonymously call Deed Compliance on me. I pondered the wisdom of trying to point out the paradox of her telling me that she was going to covertly report me, but I instead I just threatened to report her for having a fake service dog and exceeding the two pet rule with her amply stocked aquarium. I reminded the DJ that I was paying him to play tunes, not to text people on his cell phone and he sheepishly returned to work, spinning Jackie Wilson's first solo hit, Reet Petite. I hoped Bob Marley was still listening. We got a few more hits. Let me tell you that Don Rickles is not a lot of fun one on one. Mama Cass vehemently denies having been pregnant with John Lennon's child and is deeply offended that people believe a Jewish girl choked on a ham sandwich. Robin Williams is still not funny and sadly has pretty much reverted to full time Mork. We connected with dozens of common everyday people who wanted us to pass messages to the living. Most of these requests were of antagonistic nature, several regarding their spouses’ remarriages. When I began to lose hope of finding Tesla, it happened. Of course, all of the people we met were channeling through the medium. I know this was real because if it weren’t, the medium could be making a lot of money in Vegas as an impersonator. She nailed Rickles, Williams, Marley, my aunt, and now was speaking in a thick Serbo-Croatian accent. Sadly, I did not get my answer regarding the solenoid. Tesla admonished me for being trivial, noting that he could have revealed the truth about the Taos Hum, the Voynich Manuscript, Nazca Lines, or whether the chicken came before the egg or vice versa. Anyhoo…that’s my story and I’m sticking to it. Mediums are real but it is a hit or miss deal.

graciegirl 07-27-2017 11:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Rapscallion St Croix (Post 1428925)
This thread has intrigued me so I hired a medium to help me resolve some issues. I thought it worth a shot. We sat in my front yard in front of a statue of St Drogo The Bilocator, patron saint of ugly people. I use this ornament to hide my little white cross. To ensure a pleasant experience, I hired a DJ from one of the local swimming pools to play some oldies. Our goal was to communicate with the spirit of Nicola Tesla so he could help me figure out why my 2005 gas powered Club Car keeps destroying starter solenoids. Those babies cost $34 and the medium was only charging $19.99 through a Groupon deal. After a few minutes, we achieved a bit of a breakthrough, but my joy was short lived. We had reached the spirit of Sir George Sitwell, fourth Baronet of Renishaw, Derbyshire, England (1860-1943) Talk about a jerk! He began by demanding that we not contradict him in any way, as it interferes with the functioning of the gastric juices and prevents his sleeping at night. We quickly apologized for dialing a wrong number and moved on. Next came a brief exchange with Bob Marley who told us, “The devil ain’t got no power over me. The devil come, and me shake hands with the devil. Devil have his part to play. Devil’s a good friend, too… because when you don’t know him, that’s the time he can mosh you down.” He also added, "Your music sucks". This seemed to distress the DJ who began composing a letter to the editor on his iPad. Not much of a multi-tasker, he stopped playing music. After connecting with my old maid aunt who said, "I told you to buy an electric cart but you never listen" and Harvey Penick who told me my right hand grip was too strong, I was feeling somewhat encouraged. We were just hitting a groove when a neighbor came by and threatened to anonymously call Deed Compliance on me. I pondered the wisdom of trying to point out the paradox of her telling me that she was going to covertly report me, but I instead I just threatened to report her for having a fake service dog and exceeding the two pet rule with her amply stocked aquarium. I reminded the DJ that I was paying him to play tunes, not to text people on his cell phone and he sheepishly returned to work, spinning Jackie Wilson's first solo hit, Reet Petite. I hoped Bob Marley was still listening. We got a few more hits. Let me tell you that Don Rickles is not a lot of fun one on one. Mama Cass vehemently denies having been pregnant with John Lennon's child and is deeply offended that people believe a Jewish girl choked on a ham sandwich. Robin Williams is still not funny and sadly has pretty much reverted to full time Mork. We connected with dozens of common everyday people who wanted us to pass messages to the living. Most of these requests were of antagonistic nature, several regarding their spouses’ remarriages. When I began to lose hope of finding Tesla, it happened. Of course, all of the people we met were channeling through the medium. I know this was real because if it weren’t, the medium could be making a lot of money in Vegas as an impersonator. She nailed Rickles, Williams, Marley, my aunt, and now was speaking in a thick Serbo-Croatian accent. Sadly, I did not get my answer regarding the solenoid. Tesla admonished me for being trivial, noting that he could have revealed the truth about the Taos Hum, the Voynich Manuscript, Nazca Lines, or whether the chicken came before the egg or vice versa. Anyhoo…that’s my story and I’m sticking to it. Mediums are real but it is a hit or miss deal.

I so like your humor.

Barefoot 07-27-2017 12:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rapscallion St Croix (Post 1428925)
This thread has intrigued me so I hired a medium to help me resolve some issues. I thought it worth a shot. We sat in my front yard in front of a statue of St Drogo The Bilocator, patron saint of ugly people. I use this ornament to hide my little white cross. To ensure a pleasant experience, I hired a DJ from one of the local swimming pools to play some oldies. Our goal was to communicate with the spirit of Nicola Tesla so he could help me figure out why my 2005 gas powered Club Car keeps destroying starter solenoids. Those babies cost $34 and the medium was only charging $19.99 through a Groupon deal. After a few minutes, we achieved a bit of a breakthrough, but my joy was short lived. We had reached the spirit of Sir George Sitwell, fourth Baronet of Renishaw, Derbyshire, England (1860-1943) Talk about a jerk! He began by demanding that we not contradict him in any way, as it interferes with the functioning of the gastric juices and prevents his sleeping at night. We quickly apologized for dialing a wrong number and moved on. Next came a brief exchange with Bob Marley who told us, “The devil ain’t got no power over me. The devil come, and me shake hands with the devil. Devil have his part to play. Devil’s a good friend, too… because when you don’t know him, that’s the time he can mosh you down.” He also added, "Your music sucks". This seemed to distress the DJ who began composing a letter to the editor on his iPad. Not much of a multi-tasker, he stopped playing music. After connecting with my old maid aunt who said, "I told you to buy an electric cart but you never listen" and Harvey Penick who told me my right hand grip was too strong, I was feeling somewhat encouraged. We were just hitting a groove when a neighbor came by and threatened to anonymously call Deed Compliance on me. I pondered the wisdom of trying to point out the paradox of her telling me that she was going to covertly report me, but I instead I just threatened to report her for having a fake service dog and exceeding the two pet rule with her amply stocked aquarium. I reminded the DJ that I was paying him to play tunes, not to text people on his cell phone and he sheepishly returned to work, spinning Jackie Wilson's first solo hit, Reet Petite. I hoped Bob Marley was still listening. We got a few more hits. Let me tell you that Don Rickles is not a lot of fun one on one. Mama Cass vehemently denies having been pregnant with John Lennon's child and is deeply offended that people believe a Jewish girl choked on a ham sandwich. Robin Williams is still not funny and sadly has pretty much reverted to full time Mork. We connected with dozens of common everyday people who wanted us to pass messages to the living. Most of these requests were of antagonistic nature, several regarding their spouses’ remarriages. When I began to lose hope of finding Tesla, it happened. Of course, all of the people we met were channeling through the medium. I know this was real because if it weren’t, the medium could be making a lot of money in Vegas as an impersonator. She nailed Rickles, Williams, Marley, my aunt, and now was speaking in a thick Serbo-Croatian accent. Sadly, I did not get my answer regarding the solenoid. Tesla admonished me for being trivial, noting that he could have revealed the truth about the Taos Hum, the Voynich Manuscript, Nazca Lines, or whether the chicken came before the egg or vice versa. Anyhoo…that’s my story and I’m sticking to it. Mediums are real but it is a hit or miss deal.

:a20:

Mrs. Robinson 07-27-2017 12:56 PM

Rapscallion St Croix -- I can't wait for you to come out with the next chapter !!!

CFrance 07-27-2017 01:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Challenger (Post 1428805)
What do witches use for a symbol? I think I saw something is a front yard yesterday:boom:

Was it under the eaves?:icon_twisted:

golfing eagles 07-27-2017 02:02 PM

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Originally Posted by CFrance (Post 1429023)
Was it under the eaves?:icon_twisted:

or in the broom closet?
maybe next to the bonfire?
behind the cauldron?

Allegiance 07-27-2017 02:03 PM

A village outing is in order.

Cassadaga, Florida - Wikipedia

Wiotte 07-27-2017 02:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Allegiance (Post 1429034)
A village outing is in order.

Cassadaga, Florida - Wikipedia



I'm in.


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Jima64 07-27-2017 02:54 PM

Fifty bucks
 
Send mre fifty bucks and I will contact anyone for you.

aninjamom 07-27-2017 03:07 PM

[QUOTE=Mrs. Robinson;1428838]Are you saying that because this church is not a Christian church, it is no good and worthless?

That's what I am understanding from your quote which indicates you have no tolerance for Unitarianism.
[/QUOTE

No, I am continually offended by the uninformed that assume that because a place is called a church, it is "Christian". If a church does not acknowledge, and attempt to obey, Jesus Christ as God, they are not "Christ-followers" - CHRISTian.
That goes for Westboro Baptist too, by the way, as far as I'm concerned.

dbussone 07-27-2017 03:18 PM

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Originally Posted by CFrance (Post 1429023)
Was it under the eaves?:icon_twisted:



Only after a neighbor reported it.


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CFrance 07-27-2017 03:22 PM

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Originally Posted by dbussone (Post 1429076)
Only after a neighbor reported it.


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You win!:clap2:

Moderator 07-27-2017 04:10 PM

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Topspinmo 07-27-2017 04:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Jima64 (Post 1429064)
Send mre fifty bucks and I will contact anyone for you.


Only if you can garrentee winning lottery numbers, I'll pay you after I get paid.

CWGUY 07-27-2017 04:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Moderator (Post 1429096)
Please return to the subject of mediums. Any further off topic posts will be deleted.

Thanks.

Moderator

:wave: Well done Mr./Ms. Moderator and I find that rare.

VICAR OF DIBLEY 07-27-2017 10:42 PM

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[QUOTE=Barefoot;1428787]I have no doubt that most mediums are money-hungry imposters; but a special few are genuine.
I had a private reading with Suzanne about 6 years ago. (She now has a two-year waiting list).
Suzanne is an evidence-based medium, and she offered me indisputable (to me) evidence of contact with the spirit world.
I've also attended Suzanne's monthly sessions at the Unity Church for the past seven years.
I've grown to believe that Suzanne is a genuine and gifted medium.
I understand that some people are skeptics -- belief systems are complex and personal.
I'm posting to answer Tal's question, not to
try to change anyone's mind.
[/QUO

I know that Suzanne is evidenced base. This means that she feels she will tell you something about somebody who she would have no way of knowing. If she is u able to do this, she will tell you.

I know quite a few people who have seen her, and they all said their was no way she could have known ahead of the reading about the people who "spoke" to her.

In terms of the $10 dollar fee, she does not keep this money, but donates it all to the church.

She will also inform you prior to your session with her, that she can not always contact spirits everytime she gives a reading.

I found this thread interesting to read, but it would be good if some of you checked on the accuracy of your statements.

Carl in Tampa 07-27-2017 10:54 PM

Occam's Razor
 
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Originally Posted by aninjamom (Post 1428809)
Someone mentioned that it was a Unitarian Church. Not a Christian one. "If you stand for nothing, you will fall for anything."

No, the local Medium is scheduled into the Unity Church, which is not the same as the Unitarian Church.

However, neither of these belief systems are considered to be in the mainstream of Christian tradition.

Now, let's apply Occam's Razor to the issue of Mediums, as I did back at post #48.

Either:

A. These psychics are frauds who are in the game for fame and money, or

B. They are genuine Mediums, and Christians are forbidden to consult them.

See post #48 for references.

ColdNoMore 07-28-2017 05:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Moderator (Post 1429096)
Please return to the subject of mediums. Any further off topic posts will be deleted.

Thanks.

Moderator

While it might not be popular with some, I believe this meets your guidelines and IMHO gets to the core of the issue regarding mediums/clairvoyants/soothsayers/Etc.


Gullibility | Definition of Gullibility by Merriam-Webster

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Definition of gullible

: easily duped or cheated selling overpriced souvenirs to gullible tourists



graciegirl 07-28-2017 07:23 AM

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Originally Posted by ColdNoMore (Post 1429247)
While it might not be popular with some, I believe this meets your guidelines and IMHO gets to the core of the issue regarding mediums/clairvoyants/soothsayers/Etc.


Gullibility | Definition of Gullibility by Merriam-Webster

I don't think gullible is the descriptor I would use.

I think grieving might be the word that needs to be used and also to say that most of us who have been church goers do believe in the spirit and everlasting life.

There should be no blame placed on people missing their loved one in death, nor aspersion cast on them. Only skepticism and disbelief and criticism if a person would take advantage of the universal sadness of death for their profit.

I think THAT happens a lot and I look down on THAT.

Taltarzac725 07-28-2017 07:34 AM

Former Psychic Reveals Tricks of the Trade - ABC News

This is an interesting article about tricks of the psychic trade.

Barefoot 07-28-2017 10:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Carl in Tampa (Post 1429219)
Either:
A. These psychics are frauds who are in the game for fame and money, or
B. They are genuine Mediums, and Christians are forbidden to consult them.

I've been to Cassadaga; and I'm skeptical that a whole town is full of genuine psychics and mediums.
I've known Suzanne Giesemann for years, and I can only speak knowledgeably about her.
Suzanne is a retired US Military Commander and her husband is a retired Submarine Captain. I highly doubt she is seeking fame and fortune.
She found she had abilities as a medium after she retired, as a result of her pregnant step-daughter being killed by lightening.
I am convinced that Suzanne is genuine; but in no way am I trying to convince anyone to change their belief system.

tcxr750 07-28-2017 01:19 PM

Go buy a OUIJI Board and then you can communicate directly with the spirit of your choice with no middleman.

dewilson58 07-28-2017 01:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Moderator (Post 1429096)
Please return to the subject of mediums. Any further off topic posts will be deleted.

Thanks.

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I knew the Moderator was going to do this.


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