Talk of The Villages Florida

Talk of The Villages Florida (https://www.talkofthevillages.com/forums/)
-   The Villages, Florida, Non Villages Discussion (https://www.talkofthevillages.com/forums/villages-florida-non-villages-discussion-93/)
-   -   mRNA Vaccines Are NOT Gene Therapy (https://www.talkofthevillages.com/forums/villages-florida-non-villages-discussion-93/mrna-vaccines-not-gene-therapy-317863/)

Larchap49 03-26-2021 09:38 PM

Vaccine
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by coffeebean (Post 1921171)
Which "single dose version" are you referring to? It can't be an mRNA vaccine because those are two doses necessary for immunization.

Astra Zenica (not sure of correct spelling) multiple people sick or dead , just put on hold in Norway. Problems throughout Europe. Google it

Larchap49 03-26-2021 09:51 PM

Vaccine
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by petiteone (Post 1921248)
Source please? How many is "many"? I'm a retired MD who reads medical journals and I have not come across any that cite that as substantiated and also found no references in legitimate news source that had a citation for "many" deaths after the vaccine. I can't find a source for even 1 death......and don't give me "the government is covering it up" excuse.

You're not looking very hard, check Astrazeneca in Europe, Norway and other countries have put it on hold. If even a few deaths reported I'm sure many more reported as covid related. Try researching any vacinecin the last 100 years and many if not all had side effect, birth defects, miscarriages, etc. Some 10 to 15 years after. I'm not saying this one is any better or worse but if you believe what the fake news networks are reporting or what the government is telling you then you might consider you are a bit naive.

Tmarkwald 03-27-2021 07:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by coffeebean (Post 1920917)
I have read on this forum countless times (specifically from one poster) that the mRNA vaccines are not vaccines. If I recall correctly, there is intimation that these vaccines are actually gene therapy.

Well, you know, it would seem that people on here from TV actually did something right in their lives so they can live here.

But I think some people just won the lottery. For those the quote "You can't fix stupid. There's not a pill you can take; there's not a class you can go to. Stupid is forever." may apply...

coffeebean 03-27-2021 09:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Larry chappel (Post 1921531)
Astra Zenica (not sure of correct spelling) multiple people sick or dead , just put on hold in Norway. Problems throughout Europe. Google it

AstrZeneca is not being administered in the US. I do not believe AstraZeneca has even asked for appoval from the FDA but I may be wrong about that. What I am sure of, however, is the AstraZenec has not been given emergency approval for use in the US.

The AstrZeneca vaccine is not an mRNA vaccine. So, there is that.

coffeebean 03-27-2021 10:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Larry chappel (Post 1921533)
You're not looking very hard, check Astrazeneca in Europe, Norway and other countries have put it on hold. If even a few deaths reported I'm sure many more reported as covid related. Try researching any vacinecin the last 100 years and many if not all had side effect, birth defects, miscarriages, etc. Some 10 to 15 years after. I'm not saying this one is any better or worse but if you believe what the fake news networks are reporting or what the government is telling you then you might consider you are a bit naive.

The benefits outweigh the risks for any vaccine, IMHO. It is a smart move to get vaccinated as there are a lot more people dying of Covid than of any of these vaccines that are currently in roll outs.

John_W 03-27-2021 03:18 PM

...

Malsua 03-27-2021 05:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by John_W (Post 1921892)
I just got an email from my half brother in Philly, he tested positive for Covid two weeks ago and they told him he still has a two month wait to get any vaccine shot. So he was given an intravenous drug Bamlanivimab, which contains anti-bodies to help fight off the effects. He's 75 years old. Seems like Pennsylvania doesn't have their act together, especially when compared to Florida. My wife and I both had two Mederma shots already at Publix, and it's been over two weeks since the second shot.

NJ is just as bad. My wife 65+ hasn't been able to get an appointment, still, even as of this morning.

We're moving down permanently next week(after years of owning in TV) and appointments are open all over the place so we're just going to wait till we get there.

Of course there is this: As a 'Person of Color,' I Received a COVID-19 Vaccine Easily and Quickly | Frontpagemag

Apparently if you were the in the right low income housing you could get your shot in January at any age.

Dr Winston O Boogie jr 03-28-2021 07:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by crash (Post 1921084)
The vaccines have no DNA and do not affect our DNA in anyway so not gene therapy.

The definition of vaccine is something when administered produces an immune response that prevents a disease. Those of us who have had COVID know it is a disease and no one who has had the vaccine has been hospitalized or died so if it looks like a duck, talks like a duck and walks like a duck it is a duck.

From what I understand, this vaccine is different from many other vaccines in that it doesn't actually prevent you from contracting the virus. It prevents the virus from causing symptoms. So even though the virus enters your system you don't become ill. Or, if you do get ill, it's not as serious as it would be without the vaccine. It also prevents death.


Don't most other vaccines prevent the virus from actually entering your body?

Malsua 03-28-2021 10:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dr Winston O Boogie jr (Post 1922082)
From what I understand, this vaccine is different from many other vaccines in that it doesn't actually prevent you from contracting the virus. It prevents the virus from causing symptoms. So even though the virus enters your system you don't become ill. Or, if you do get ill, it's not as serious as it would be without the vaccine. It also prevents death.


Don't most other vaccines prevent the virus from actually entering your body?

No vaccine can prevent any virus from entering your body. If it's in your body, you are infected. What a vaccine can do is stimulate your body to respond to the virus when it sees it.

Ideally, antigen presenting cells(APCs) like Macrophages that are floating around in your blood will detect the presence of the virus and activate Tcells. Macrophages themselves will do the blob routine, surround something and eat it. They present signals that will stimulate Tcells and ultimately bcell antibodies to go on the hunt so to speak. How robust this process is will affect how many of your cells will get the virus injected into them. Ideally that number is zero, but even in the most robust immune response some cells will get the virus in them. Soon enough killer T-cells will come along and those hijacked cells will die.

This MRNA vaccine is only different in the mechanism by which is stimulates the immune system to respond. The actual immune response is the same. Your immune system sees an invader and attacks it. The MRNA vaccine hijacks your own cells, like a virus does except the vaccine does not make your cells create more of the vaccine. If it did, the result of a self replicating vaccine would surely be fatal.

Tmarkwald 03-29-2021 06:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by coffeebean (Post 1921730)
AstrZeneca is not being administered in the US. I do not believe AstraZeneca has even asked for appoval from the FDA but I may be wrong about that. What I am sure of, however, is the AstraZenec has not been given emergency approval for use in the US.

The AstrZeneca vaccine is not an mRNA vaccine. So, there is that.

AstraZeneca’s Covid-19 Vaccine Is Found to Be 79% Effective in U.S. Study - The New York Times

Dr Winston O Boogie jr 03-29-2021 06:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Larry chappel (Post 1921531)
Astra Zenica (not sure of correct spelling) multiple people sick or dead , just put on hold in Norway. Problems throughout Europe. Google it

I've been able to find stories about three deaths possibly related to the AstraZeneca vaccine.

I also found this story that says that the EU says that there has been no indication that blood clotting is linked to the vaccine.

Oxford-AstraZeneca: EU says '''no indication''' vaccine linked to clots - BBC News

Please post links to the stories that you found about multiple people sick or dead from it.

Dr Winston O Boogie jr 03-29-2021 06:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fritzy (Post 1921326)
The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) told The Epoch Times in an email that as of March 8, more than 92 million doses of mRNA vaccines for COVID-19 had been administered, with 1,637 deaths occurring following the injections in the United States.

About 55,000 people die each week in this country. March 8 marks about seven weeks since the vaccine was given. That means that about 385,000 people have died during that time. That's a bit over 1% of the total population.

A total of 9 million doses have been given to about 6 million people. One percent of those is 60,000.

Considering that most of the doses were given to people over the age of 65 one might think that the death toll from other causes would be a lot higher in that age group.

The 1637 deaths represents .00027% of the people that have been vaccinated. It's more likely that they died from causes other than the vaccine.

Does the CDC email state that the deaths were vaccine related?

coffeebean 03-29-2021 12:39 PM

So, AZ has asked for emergency use authorization. Good to know. Thanks.

Tmarkwald 03-29-2021 04:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by coffeebean (Post 1922697)
So, AZ has asked for emergency use authorization. Good to know. Thanks.

Thanks to the preparation and planning by the previous administration, the US is sitting on 300 MILLION doses of the AstraZeneca vaccine. We preordered lots of doses of all the vaccines in preparation for distribution as soon as possible...

FDA official: US AstraZeneca stockpile not in danger of expiring | TheHill

Tmarkwald 05-17-2021 05:59 AM

rather than repost again and again, here is the thread....


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 05:13 AM.

Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.11
Copyright ©2000 - 2025, vBulletin Solutions Inc.
Search Engine Optimisation provided by DragonByte SEO v2.0.32 (Pro) - vBulletin Mods & Addons Copyright © 2025 DragonByte Technologies Ltd.