Please point out the obvious investors to me. It is not obvious to me.

And I appreciate your position. It is best to hear only one perspective. Is that learned in the BS level of Political Science or is that in the Master's Program where they teach it is best to only hear one perspective?

Great line, I'm going to save that one to use some time. I will of course, provide proper attribution.

Sorry, not renting it out. Renting only attracts riff raff :laugh:

This thread is very telling - there are a few here that are extremely “passionate” in their defense of STRs, probably more passionate about defending STRs than any other topic they have ever posted. Why is that? Several posts back, I said it appears they themselves are landlords of STRs, so they have “skin” in the game. When I asked those that are STR landlords to come clean and admit it , I get “crickets”. Are they ashamed to admit they are STR landlords? Refusing to come clean and answer this question, is “dishonest” to me. I think most readers of this thread know who the STR landlords are on this thread, as their refusal to answer this simple question, speaks volumes. It’s apparent that vast majority of Villagers do not support STRs - in my outings at restaurants, clubs, social events, recreation activities, no one speaks favorably about them, and no one wants to live any place near one. The few proponents here represent a very tiny minority in favor.

Again I ask you to provide the number of a post where the person states that they supports STRs.
And as far as those passionate supporters who are obvious STR owners, is it obvious that I am a STR owner?

As far as "there are a few here that are extremely “passionate” in their defense of STRs, probably more passionate about defending STRs than any other topic they have ever posted", would you be including me? I am really curious and answering that would in no way be a personal attack, just your observation /opinion from my posts.

I thought the rules of TOTV is that you don’t directly address another poster -

I know what you are saying. I actually typed
ADMIN -PLEASE PLEASE do not penalize him for answering my question, but then deleted it thinking it unnecessary, but I completely get your concern.

If you think I am a STR owner, just enter a quick reply (not a reply which references my post) with Yes to 1. If you think yes to my followon post asking a similar question, put Yes to 2.

Quite a few assumptions, accusations, and generalizations there.

I would guess that since I am one of the top five posters on this thread and I am not calling for a ban on rentals that I must be one of the STR landlords that have not come clean and admitted it. After all, that is the only reason for being "passionate" in defense of STRs, right? For that, I would refer you to post #166.

Yes blocking works much better

I believe after reading 370 posts on the topic, there are one or two people here who are either landlord owners or “hired guns” to speak up for those individuals. They want to discredit your experience, outright deny there is a problem, try to obfuscate with “statistics”, even tell you that residents benefit from their business activities. I think the solution will have to come in the typical “American way”.

Thanks to those who responded to my post in an understanding way. For those of you who question the troubles I have experienced, look for flaws in my sentences, and try to lessen my experiences, I will, again, try to explain. I know some will respond in the negative and have the right to do so. This is America. We all have the right to speak our minds. It is ridiculous that anyone would believe otherwise.

There are 10 rentals on my street. One next door to me, 3 on the same side, 4 across, and 2 further down. During the winter months, these homes are usually rented for 3 months. Some of the renters are friendly. They see knocking on my door as an opportunity to ask me questions, give recommendations, provide them with directions, and even ask to borrow things. When I am on my driveway or walking my dog, they come up beside me asking question after question. I am not the Village information Center! These renters slow me down from my schedule. They are trying to act friendly but what they really want is information.

These long term renters are prone to have guests staying with them for one, two, or three weeks. Some stay for the entire 3 months. Why not? They have an extra 2 bedrooms. Let's take the opportunity to invite family and friends! These extra cars block the streets and driveways. More trash is on the street and instead of one pet, the home now has two.

They leave the home and go to Disney or the beach and leave their pets barking. And, some are not aware that their voices are loud. I can hear every single word they say when they are on the lanai. Some of their discussions are meant to be private. But, they have no problem airing out their dirty laundry.

When the owner of the property is not available, they want me to fix their problem. I tell them to call the owner, but they say they have tried with no response.

I can go on, but my previous posts explain more of their antics. For those of you who believe I am overvexaggersting, how many days would you find this behavior acceptable? Yeah! I thought so!

During the summer months, the rentals are often occupied by families, younger people, and those who want to have a good time. Children are left unattended on the streets, whine and cry, and are prone to run around the yard, screaming at the top of their lungs. There are more parties, and there are more drunks. Singing on the lanai, howling at the moon, peeing on my lawn, screaming, arguing, nudity etc. You read about these people in the news. Why then, would you think I am exxagerating? But, I get it! Not my neighborhood; not my problem.

An investor coming up to a permanent resident and asking to let him know if there are problems, is not being neighborly. He only wants affirmation that what he is doing is not a problem. In my experience, they never take care of the issue when you tell them of one. They are only interested in their profits!

Again, I understand some of you will respond in the negative. Your responses affirm what I already know. There are greedy people in this world who could care less about the problems they are causing. And, people who cannot believe these things are happening so close to them. Why would I believe anything less? I am not surprised to find some of these people on this forum.

Oh, I forgot to add, and when they obviously can’t win an indefensible argument, they pick on your grammar. Hoping to intimidate you into silence.

So you are against any rental at all including longer-term (3 month) rentals. Fair enough, that is your choice, but recognize that a 3 month rental is not what most on here are discussing and would not be affected by "AirBnB" regulations.

The homeowner asking you to let him know if the people in his house are causing problems just might be sincerely asking. Maybe you should take him at his word rather than prejudging him. And yes, some might not be sincere or some might get weary of hearing that everything is a problem.

Again, it has been my experience that the owners of the rentals never fix any issues when brought to their attention. They do not want to address his/her renters in fear of losing their rental income. It is obvious they care more about money and not the problems they are creating. Do you think they care about extra cars? Do you think they care what happens while they are enjoying a good nights sleep? Do you think they will oust renters who continually are a problem? The answer is obvious. No!

I understand that this is a thread on STRS. Some posters have lessened my experiences by saying, I doubt it is that bad. Instead of posting what my experiences with STRS are in the summer months, I decided to post what an entire year is like beside rentals. If some people still believe I am exxagerating, I cannot and do not wish to change their opinions. I am only posting my experiences. People are free to believe whatever they want.

Since I have posted many times, I will assume (possibly incorrectly) that I am one of the 1 or 2. And since I have owned one and only one house in the villages for over 8 years and have never rented my home out for as much as 1 minute, I will assume I am a "hired gun". Can someone please tell me who I can contact for my money. I have yet to see a penny, and I have put a lot of time in.

The arrogance of "knowing" that anyone who doesn't agree with you 100% is a bad person or has bad intentions is apparent in many of the posts in this thread. I wonder if I should post that I have come to the conclusion that based upon this thread the villages is populated primarily by whiners and people who want nothing more than to control what other people do with their property. I would be wrong with my conclusion, and so is the conclusion in your post.

Some are just antagonistic bullies and are better left ignored.

If you define bullies as someone who disagrees with you and uses facts to do so, I guess I am a bully. But I will accept the mantle of sarcastic. I do use sarcasm to respond to posts that attack rather than debate.

I am not trying to lessen your experiences. But, have you considered moving? I sent you a PM on an area I know that is free from rentals. (so far) I hope this information can help you find a better neighborhood to enjoy your retirement.

Possible to provide an example of that? asking for a friend

Since I am one of the few on here who has not jumped on the bandwagon with both feet, and you are not comfortable stating that you believe I am an STR owner and I am one who passionately supports STRs, I will just assume it was directed at me and a couple of others.

1. I am not nor have I ever been a STR owner.
2. I am not passionately or to any lesser degree a supporter of short term rentals. This issue is not really even on my radar for important things in my life. I have stated in one of my posts that I am ambivalent on STRs. I recognized that people are having issues with them and I think that those things are wrong and I sympathize them, but I listed that my sister has been an STR renter once a year and is as conscientious as any owner, and I would hate for her to lose that opportunity.
3. If you look at my posts across multipe threads [I know, why would anyone even take the time to do that when there are so many more worthwhile things to do with your time, but if you (general you, not you specifically) are going to impugn people with the title of bully, STR owner, or anything else, you should probably base it on reality], you will see a common theme:

1. I am (passionately) against blanket statements that malign or undermine an entire profession based upon a small body of personal experience
2. I am (passionately) against people stating that because they are a supposed or actual expert on a topic, no on should question them on any remotely related topic
3. I am (extremely passionately in some cases, but not at all with STRs) against preventing anyone from owning/possessing things especially those protected by the constitution or using them in certain ways, because some other people use them illegally or extremely inconsiderately.
4. I am against people stating as fact that which is not fact
5. I am against people advocating a position by greatly exaggerating the frequency of the problem.
6. I am against people attributing statements, positions, feeling, etc to someone without any actual basis, and then attacking or criticizing them for that made up attribution.
7. I don't pick on spelling or grammar.

I am open to listen to anyone who is for any of those things that I am against. I willingly admit when I am wrong, but that doesn't happen often because I try to state as opinion that which is opinion, I try not to exaggerate the truth, I actually read the post to which I am responding and do not attribute things that weren't stated or clearly implied.

So, I don't take any offense to posts that impugn me because I know that it is not based on me being wrong, me being "mean", or whatever accusation. And I do not apologise for being against any of the things I listed. Please "come clean" if you are for any of them. And feel free to find any post that something I said was not correct (and haven't already admitted to that). I am more than willing to take what I dish out.

I reread this entire thread. Can anyone tell me who owns Talk of the Villages? I looked for information but I could only find that it is private, for profit, and the owner(s) are located in Florida and New York.

Thank you for explaining in detail your beliefs, things that you stand for, and things you are against. Quick question. What does your post have to do with STRS?

it has also been my experience that the Vast majority of Villagers are against STRS. A tiny few on this thread are opposed. They are entitled to their opinion. For all of you who are against STRS, keep posting. It will help readers understand the problems we are having in our areas. Many will be intelligent enough to recognize the problem can come to their areas. No one wants the Villages to become a Motel Shantytown.

Great Post
 

I live in a designer home and we have problems with the STRs. Everyone should be concerned.

Did you bother to read the post to which I was responding or any of the other posts full of accusations of the intent or background of the people who are supposedly posting in favor of STRs?

I was responding to the baseless accusations against, assumptions about, and portrayal of the people who haven't jumped on board with the masses. I was responding to the assumption that I was passionately in favor of STRs and more passionate about that topic than any other.

But the fact that you couldn't see that is a good indication of why I have posted so many times. Should I have posted about guns in Texas and rural areas instead???

I forgot to mention some STR owners are corporate and some live out of state.They rarely visit their rentals and run their business online. They are not available to help their renters or to fix problems they may have. They have no idea what the renters are doing in the rental property and could care less. They have received payment and that is their only concern.

I agree with 90% of what you just wrote. If, as I assume, you typo'd and meant a tiny few are in support of STRs (you wrote opposed), then I would disagree with that statement. I am not saying that there are many rather than a few. I will ask for a third time. Please provide the numbers of the posts where there is a statement in support of STRs. there are 386 and counting posts. Surely you can find one post where someone stated that they support STRs and maybe even would like more of them. You will find many who said they have not had any problem with them - that is a statement of fact about their experience, not support. You will find many that question (the proverbial) you about the accuracy of a statement you made, and some that offered facts to dispute assertions people made. But surely, all of you who are against STRs can as a group find a single post in over 300 where someone said I support STRs or words to that effect.

So, if I am reading your post correctly, in order that your sister can rent once a year, you advocate that every resident in TV potentially suffer the STR problems they have so ONE person (your sister) may not be inconvenienced?

If you are not an owner, not a resident, not event a renter, than all your arguments are hypothetical based on ideals much like the concept of communism sounds good in theory but Communism in real practice is more than a nightmare.

I don't like those people either.

All I can say is you weren't even close to reading correctly. I am an owner. I am a resident. I have never rented out my home for one minute. I have only owned that one home in the villages for 8 years.
Please try again on reading my posts. I have made all of this very clear. MM take a look at this post to which I am responding and see why I posted I am against people attributing things to people that are false and then arguing with them on that premise, and how it can relate to a thread on STRs or any other topic.

I must have missed where you noted you were an owner and a resident. I appreciate you clarifying.

However, I think you can hear the pain and suffering many residents have expressed and most of them are not even on this forum. I hope you chose not to ignore it.

Can I ask why, when R55 posts right before you letting us know that he reread 370 posts and wants to know who the owner of the TOTV is, you didn't ask him the same question? is it because he tells you how kind and thoughtful you are?

I read that post. It was in response to hired guns. Perhaps he thinks they work for TOTV? Anyways, you have your wish. I now posted a question for R55.

Excellent post. SERIOUSLY, I mean it.

I do hear the pain and suffering many residents have expressed.
I do realize there are many others who have experienced this and possibly worse.
That is why I said I am ambivalent. My only personal direct knowledge/experience is positive with them. But I hear and sympathize with the posts in this thread and others. That is why, with only (very limited) positive experience with them, I am conflicted rather than in support.
I would like to say that I won't choose to ignore it, but it is unlikely that I will take action on either side, and I think that could easily be construed as ignoring it.

I think what colors my responses to this topic is really strong feelings/reactions on another topic (which is waaayy off topic) where I also think people are overestimating the scale and recomending banning rather than addressing the true problem.

I do strongly support the bill that died this year where the owners are penalized (not like jail, but other things) for the transgressions of their renters. That, in my mind addresses (or at least targets) the real issue. I don't think renters are a problem, I think problem renters and problem landlords are the problem, and THAT is what should be fixed. I would also support not allowing renting to people under a certain age, or they must at least have one of us old folks with them, since I think that is what the Villages is advertised to be and many bought into. I know many hotels won't rent to adults under a certain age.

lol. It was really a rhetorical question. Thanks for paying the least bit of attention to that post. I wouldn't have if I were you.

Once again, not a single gun in Texas (rural or otherwise) is registered. Texas does not have a gun registry...

Nearly 400 posts and I'm still waiting for someone to suggest a solution.

"They should do something about it". Who's they?

"Regulations should be adopted". By whom? Under what authority?

"The State will step in and fix it". Oh really? The "state" (as in Legislature) has proven year after year, they are in favor of allowing STR's.

"I'm not going to vote for a County Commissioner, unless he agrees to stop STR's". Well, unfortunately, the County is prohibited by state law, from outlawing STR's or even implementing a law that requires rentals to be any specific length.

"The CDD has to protect us". How? CDD's have NO Zoning Power, nor do they have any power to regulate occupancy of a home. They control Infrastructure & amenities.

"The Developer has to prohibit STR's". Even if he did prohibit STR's in newer sections of TV, how does that help anyone who already owns a home?

"The Developer should ban STR's in all The Villages". How? Why would he? What's he have to gain by trying to do that? The Developer doesn't care if existing homeowners are unhappy, it doesn't hurt him.

I'm hearing a whole lot of railing against STR's, but no substantive suggestions how to change anything ... just a lot of wishful thinking and nonsensical statements.

If anyone really wants to do something about STR's, I doubt complaining on TOTV is going to be productive. Put your big boy pants on and put your money when your keyboard is ... file a lawsuit, it's the American way.

I'll wait ....

Wrong Idea
 

Local authorities have legal authority to write regulations for rentals. Florida state law does not allow local governments to ban short-term rentals entirely or regulate the length of stays or their frequency, but local governments may pass rules to control negative effects of vacation rentals.

They certainly pass laws for taxes, require landlords to be present when guests occupy their premises and restrict uses of amenities.

All Florida beachfront properties too! No rentals under 30 days.