How can one be accused of stalking a property they own for investment purposes? I see it as a responsibility to monitor. Asking a permanent neighbor to keep tabs is not a responsible way to conduct business. It is a way to make profit while someone else does your dirty work.

New Villager
 

We are new, but we don’t like what we hear from this thread on Short-Term-Rental control. I didn’t even know they had rentals in the villages. If they do, that isn’t good. How does a resident insure they aren’t around these type of property devaluations? Are there spots where this isn’t permitted?

Pretty awesome response. State something in reponse to a post that the post did not say, then say how wrong that statement is. Sounds logical to me. Is there anything else the person didn't say that you would like to point out is wrong????
The homeowner should drive by the home 3 times per day to make sure everything is ok. Nope. Don't understand how anyone could argue with that. Or why not 2 times per hour? Or just continually drive around the block?

Rentals in the villages is not good. You didn't even know they existed, but yet somehow they are bad. It would seem that if they were that bad you would have noticed that they existed.
Rentals in the villages cause property devaluations in the villages. Would you care to share a single iota of evidence of this "fact"

Maybe we should ban patio villas and CYVs? They apparently attract the undesireables, they don't pay their "fair share" in taxes and bonds, and they bring down the average property values in the villages.

Not Meant to Offend
 

We just don’t care to have some Short-Term-Rental being in a new neighborhood we are purchasing in. We can always back out and lose our deposit, it almost isn’t worth it to us. We are just now noticing as our feet are beginning to get wet. We had a home near ours in Henderson and dowish a repeat of that adventure on us, or anyone. I apologize for my awareness evolving on the issue and problem in the Villages.

I have been following along diligently. Could you please point to one post by Brian, not in response to someone else's irrelevant post, that was irrelevant? But leave out his post telling us to pull a gun in texas to see what happens on a thread about STRs....oh wait. My bad.

Huh??? Can you show the math on that assumption please? I don't get it at all.

Can you please explain how an investor would do that? Should I re-watch the movie Minority Report? We should apply this to the government. They need to prevent people from committing crimes before they do it. Then we wouldn't have to pay for criminal prosecutions or jails, and we would have no victims of crime. I don't know why no one has suggested this before. (Ok, i think I do know why).

Asking a neighbor to let you know if something a renter is doing to bother them is ABSOLUTELY neighborly. I wish my permanent resident neighbors would ask me the same thing so that I could tell them to keep their dog from crapping in my yard or the circle in front of our house without cleaning it up.

Let's take a poll. Has anyone on this site ever had a problem with a neighbor that is permanent, seasonal/snowbird, or long term rental? If more than a few have, we must eliminate all of those types from the villages.

If a husband, who was separated from his wife, drove around his own house 3 times a day (while paying for 100% of it and being responsible for it) he could absolutely be convicted of stalking. If a landlord drove around a house they own 3 times a day watching it, they could absolutely get in trouble for stalking. Know why? Because reasonable people know that isn't even close to being reasonable.

Again, people are telling people they are wrong for stating something they never stated. He already said asking the neighbors to keep tabs was a bridge too far (that meant he thought it was wrong if you didn't get that). Asking a neighbor to let them know if the renter did anything that bothered them is completely different. Who else would know if the neighbor was bothered other than the neighbor?? And showing that you are open to hear and resolve issues that the neighbor has is a great thing. I wish all of my permanent neighbors were like that. When my neighbors moved in, I said, please let me know if anything I do bothers you. I want to be a good neighbor, and I may not be aware that something I do bothers you. NOT NECESSARY at all, but it sure lets the new neighbors know they shouldn't suffer in silence if something I do inadvertantly causes them a problem.

I completely understand your feelings. I think they are obviously shared by many. And there is nothing in this post that I could come close to debating. It was the statements of "fact" that I disagreeing with. (I didn't even know they were there, but I know they are bad. They bring down property values.) Heck, if the property values dropped, I might even buy another house and rent it out. But as it is they keep rising so fast, I couldn't afford another one. Mine has doubled in price since I purchased.

The “fact” is that we have had the problem and you haven’t, so you can continue to split hairs all you want but your opinion means nothing to me.

Feelings are mutual, but that's ok.

I have never argued that people haven't had bad problems and that it affects them.

But when they make crazy statements that make no sense, I often point that out. And I expect no less from others when I post. You can find several times where I state, point out where I was wrong.
I have had someone point out (yesterday) where I was wrong in my assertion of fact. I didn't respond with "your opinion doesn't matter to me", I responded with, you are 100% right, I was wrong. Not that hard to do. Learning is important in life. Learning from our mistakes is a good thing. Feel free to handle people pointing out that you made no sense any way you choose.

I missed this post. Thanks for doing the math.

You stated you do not have strs in your neighborhood. Let me share my experience.
1. You wake up and trash has been put out when it is not collection day. Animals ripped open the bags and trash has littered your yard. Cars are blocking your driveway because the renters have guests. The renters dog is barking and woke you up early. There are arguments, whistling, shouting, doors slamming, loud engines that wake you up from a peaceful sleep. The renters are on the lanai naked. Their children are running around. I can go on!

2. You go on with your day. Come home and your driveway is blocked (again) or someone has parked on your lawn. Or, a renter knocks on your door asking you to resolve an issue they are having at the rented house. Or, they want to borrow a bike, or some golf clubs, or a pot or pan, or whatever! Or, their dog is barking loud. Or they need some information, or they want directions, or recommendations. Or their children are recklessly playing on the street. Some even ask to watch/feed their pets while they go to Disney.

3. You have a nice dinner, take a stroll on the square, come home and the renters are having a party. Loud and noisy. Or, they are drinkers and are talking loud, and using foul language. Or, they are having a loud argument. Or, their children are screaming and crying. Or, they are with their spouse getting it on in a loud fashion. Or they have entered your lawn to take a p#ss. Or the TV or music is blaring. Or their dog is barking. Or some think it is funny to howl at a full moon. I can go on!

So. It is my job to pick up the renter's trash, knock on the door and tell them to move their cars hoping they do not get beligerent with me(which most do), give out my belongings, go over to the house to assist with a problem, act as a concierge, reprimand their children and babysit their pets. Then, before I go to sleep, go over to the renters and tell them to keep the noise level down or I will call the police. Only to be told F#### off!

How is any of this my responsibility? Oh! Call the owner? Because that is the neighborly thing to do? Good luck with that! He is too busy playing golf and I am probably just overreacting. The action he takes? "Don't worry, they are only here for a few days. They will be gone before you know it, but thanks for letting me know." And, getting him to come over at night and quiet the neighbors or call the police? His answer. "I really don't find that necessary." He gets a good night sleep and I don't.

Enter a new renter- same results.

I have every right to demand the owner of his rental monitor his home. And, yes! 3 times a day! In the morning to pick up their trash, in the afternoon to make certain cars are not blocking driveways or to check if the renters need something, or if pets/children are out of hand. Then, once again, at night to check if there is loud noise and police may need to be called. If the renters were at a hotel, the hotel has staff and security to do this. If they are at an apartment building, staff and security is there, as well. Why shouldn't the owner of an STR have that responsibility?

Long term renters can be as bad. People who rent in the Villages are here to have a good time.They are not here to follow the rules of the community. Most do not even know the rules. You nicely tell them, and they respond with a F### Off!

There is a reason new laws have been enacted in NYC that address THESE SAME issues I am having. It is reasonable to believe people on vacation act the same way throughout the USA. Hopefully, the same laws will be enacted here in the Villages. Especially, the rule that states the owner must be present in the rental.

Note: If you do not have any renters where you live, please do not post in support of the STR owner. You have no idea what living next to a rental property is like. Reasonable people would not call others unreasonable if they have never experienced something. Thank you!

Also, do not come on this thread claiming to know a lot about this issue. Then go on to talk about Clearwater being grandfathered in, government zoning and land restrictions, mineral rights, Euclid vrs Ambler, laws dating back to 2003, Govenor Scott, etc.etc. You may have knowledge but what the heck does any of it have to do with STRS in the Villages? Last I looked, Desantis is our govenor, rules have changed, no one in the Villages sells their mineral rights, govt zoning and deed restrictions are two different things, could care less about Euclid vrs Ambler, and this is 2023 not 2003! If you want to talk about your knowledge on zoning and land restrictions then start a thread on that subject.

Not great math. The post was Texas AND RURAL AREAS in the USA have more guns by far! Most guns are not registered in these areas. But, go ahead! Be a GOOGLE FANATIC because you probably have NEVER BEEN to these places. If you are going to be a Google fanatic, then look up the correct statistic. Are RURAL AREAS home to the most guns? Does Texas have a lot of RURAL AREAS?

And please, don't kid yourself that all guns are registered. One should add a percentage for that. I've been to these places. I suggest you add a large percentage for not registered. (Think about the number of hunters.)

Go ahead! Blame me for responding to a poster who started the gun owner talk. INSTEAD of the poster who started it. He stated the Villages is among the highest population of gun owners in the USA. And, we can use those guns to shoot abusers. My response was there are more gun owners in Texas and Rural areas in the USA, we don't need to settle things on our own in the Villages. But, you know what? Join the poster's vigilante group. We have nothing better to do here in the Villages.

Margaret, there are people on this forum who never read the entire thread but look at responses and sensationalize them. Some whose mission is to make others look like fools and others who post irrelevant facts and figures in an attempt to prove they are smarter than everyone. There are an abundance of fact checkers who google what they want to hear, then respond."See, my facts are right!" I suggest you use the ignore feature for these types of posters. Try as you may, you cannot change a person. Best to ignore and move on.

I googled gun ownership in rural areas and read several articles. I believe what you have stated is true. Rural areas have the highest population of gun owners.

I have been to rural areas in the USA. One can not help but notice the many guns that are hanging in the cabs of trucks, over-filled gun cabinets in homes, and a good number wearing camouflage going or returning from a hunt. My brother lives in Houston. While I am driving, he warns me to not exhibit road rage. Very quickly, I will be looking down the barrel of a gun. Only one who has been in these areas can truly understand your post.

You apologized twice for your post. This shows you are a kind and thoughtful lady. I have seen no apology from the poster who wants Villagers to shoot abusers.

Thank you for sharing your experiences of living next to rentals. It is best to hear from those who are suffering than from those who are not. It annoys me that posters, who are obviously investors, cannot see the errors of their ways.

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All the rest of you posters, please stop posting about your experience or preferences.

There's only room for one opinion and one conclusion.

Only people who are "suffering" are allowed. You folks who are happy and enjoying your lives, please keep your positivity to yourself, so the oppressed can wallow in their misery.

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Don't just emphatically assert you are right, show the statistics.

Does Texas have a lot of rural areas? Is that a joke? Have you never been to Texas, do you have no clue what Texas is like, or did you not look up the word rural? Driving across Texas is 800 miles of never ending nothingness. Almost all of Texas is a rural area.

Who mentioned registered guns? (HINT: You did, back in post 259)


Houston, the most populous city in Texas and in the southern US, is most definitely NOT a rural area.

And which Villager was that?

If you are going to make claims such as
Then you ought to be able to back it up by something more than just repeating it over and over.

I urge you to learn more about HOA's and CDD's.

They are significantly different.

Paying an Amenity Fee doesn't make a CDD an HOA.

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"Difference Between HOA and CDD Explained," News-Press | Becker

Buying a Property in Florida: What You Should Know About CDD and HOA - Rentce

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Yes if you haven’t been affected yes let’s disparage those that have. People who are looking to buy here have a right to know that their neighbors may not be retirees like they might expect but small hotels/motels.

And this is why I post. The post did not disparage people who have been affected. The post disparaged people who have been affected who think they are the only ones who are allowed to post, and that anyone who has not should shut up (unless of course you agree with regulations proposed by those who have been affected).

This post explains why there should be laws regarding STRS. One Villager should not profit while another Villager does his/her dirty work. It is interesting to see how investors on this forum are quickly trying to bury this post
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??? Bury? Who is trying to bury that post?

That post has been placed twice by MM and three times by you in less than nine hours. 30% of the recent posts (5 of 17) have been copies of that post. Bury??


EDIT: That post does make me want to drive through her neighborhood three times each day just to see the complete breakdown in civilization!

Today there are some comments from Dave Ramsey on short term rentals. He thinks they are a bad idea as STR customers may cause damage to your investment as they are on vacation and only stay a few days. He says you are in effect operating a business out of your house. They annoy the neighbors and create problems that cause more and more communities to restrict these kind of rentals. In the future these STR may be curtailed. He recommended that the caller not buy a house as a short term rental.

Why would the poster apologize for wanting to shoot convicted child molesters???? I am more worried about you if you don't WANT to (or do you want to just send them to time out?). Wanting to do something and actually doing something are completely different things. But what he said is,

"If we're not allowed to simply shoot them, they have to live somewhere.
I'd rather they were in TV, than in a neighborhood of children."

"You stated There are an abundance of fact checkers who google what they want to hear, then respond."See, my facts are right!" You then follow that up a few sentences later with
"I googled gun ownership in rural areas and read several articles. I believe what you have stated is true. Rural areas have the highest population of gun owners."

Pot meet kettle. Do you not see the hypocrisy, which compels people who are reading the entire thread to respond?

See posts 305, 312, 313, and 317.

Researched
 

Rules can be made per Florida statute’s and laws…

“Florida state law does not allow local governments to ban short-term rentals entirely or regulate the length of stays or their frequency, but local governments may pass rules to control negative effects of vacation rentals.”

Note: local governments may pass rules to control negative effects of vacation rentals

Licenses are required for any short term rentals. It is illegal to operate and AirBnB without one. This leaves the door wide open for changes. You can’t ban, but can control the situation.

Governments can require a landlord for short term rentals to have the landlord present while guests occupy their building.

Governments can issue maximum occupancy rules.

Governments can issue fines and liens for collection.

There is one sentence that you wrote in this thread that I can agree with (with a corrected typo for expect). I would bet Brian and anyone else who is not simply jumping on the bandwagon would agree with it 100%. But who on here has said made the assertion that we think the Villager should have to do any work at all in support of their neighbor's STRs?

Excellent point in your edit. My money is that it would take lots of days of doing that to see it. Not that it does not occur, but that the way it is described is slightly exaggerated.

How many rentals are on your street?

Why would the city of Lake Lake or Lake County or any other city/town/county that make up The Villages, get involved with the unreasonable complaints of a few Villagers?

STR owners pay taxes like everyone else and pay business taxes. STR owners in Lake County and Marion, pay an additional 4% Tourist Development Tax. (Sumter County does not have a Tourist Development Tax.)

Sheer Numbers
 

Just the sheer numbers and adverse headlines. They also destroy the total concept of retirement in The Villages. Great point for Sumter county too. They could write a rule that would include huge rewards when passing what they need. More than half of Sumter County is The Villages (for now, but Wildwood is starting to really boom).

You have to realize, this will balance the wheel of rentals which this is all about.

I'm not a Dave Ramsey fan, but he's correct on these points ... at least for the type of people who listen to his show.

STR's can be a pain in the butt to manage and the business model is self-limiting.

The biggest problem for STR "investors", is many of them are taking mortgages to buy rental property in an extremely volatile market (hospitality/vacation). They need to rent to pay the mortgage and the dynamics of that rental market are dependent on a myriad of uncontrollable factors.

Those who are buying with cash, are usually in a different financial situation (or at least were, before the recent interest rate hikes).

If you can only get 1% return on your money in the bank, why not put it into real estate that generates income + appreciation? With CD Rates now edging over 5%, the real estate market doesn't seem like such a great investment strategy this year.

Are you claiming this is your typical day? Or that all of these things have happened in any one day? Or are you taking all of the things that have occurred over the years and trying to convey that as your typical day?
Don't get me wrong, I wouldn't want any of those things to occur, but to convey that as your typical day I assert is not accurate. But I could be wrong. Tell me if I am and let me know the STR address and I will drive by 3 times a day for a few days just to observe what you are having to endure.
Uhhhh, No. Did anyone say it was? Who is that question to? Who on here do you think feels it is?
Are you saying that the owner, who told you to F off had previously come to you and said, please let me know if renters cause you any problem so I can take care of it, then when you did, he told you to F off? I bet not. So which of the people on here that you are debating with has suggested that you have to call the owner or that it will work? (post number of that post would be great). No one is saying that we support that STR owner, that we think any of that behavior is acceptable, or that we don't think issues with STRs need to be addressed, and it shouldn't have to fall on the shoulders of the neighbor. In fact, please provide a single post number where anyone has posted in favor of STRs. I think the closest you would find is I am ambivalent, or it is against state law to forbid them (a fact not a position), or I don't know if I want more regualations on what I can do with my property.
I found something I can agree with. Yes, you have every right to make those demands, just like a toddler has every right to demand a candy bar for dinner. And probably the same odds of getting your demands met (maybe less because some parents give in to their kids).
So can Full time Residents. The closest post you could find to supporting STR owners is that we think asking your neighbors to let you know if a renter is bothering you so that they can take care of it is neighborly.Are you stating that since you live next door to a bad situation, no statement or demand you could ever make is unreasonable? Or because you are living next to that, we should excuse all of your unreasonableness?
Your admonition should actually be to the people who agree with you. Every one of those things posted were to refute a ridiculous or incorrect statement by people who are against STRs. Tell your cronies to stop posting lies and incorrect statements, and people won't have to use facts to prove they are wrong. BTW, do you own this thread? Were we supposed to request permission from you to post? If so, I did not realize that and I apologize. Are you renting it out to other's who agree with you only?