Which of his pleasures are we enduring?

Other than the word airbnb, how does this support your position? The article doesn't say how long he had been in the home, it doesn't even say that he was the one renting the home.

The article indicates that he gave the airbnb address as his mailing address back in June when he was arrested. Remembering the address of the home during a stressful situation such as an arrest could be an indication that he was in the home for a while. I'll bet most people in a short term rental don't remember the address.

The original article states that he was identified through his Michigan drivers license. Shame on the Sumter county system if they didn't write down his Michigan drivers license number or the address on it.

Someone skipped bail? Excuse me while a compose myself from the shock...

I just don't understand the defense of STRs in a community like TV

OK, bottom line, which neighborhood would you prefer to live in:

a) Stable, mostly year round retirees who have a sense of neighborhood and community and watch out for each other

b) An endless stream of revolving door motel occupants with no ties to the neighborhood who couldn't care less about their noise, litter, parking, kids, etc.?

And after answering that, why would anyone defend choice B?

On TOTV, people don't need any "support" for their opinions, they just assume everyone wants to hear from them. How many times in life have we heard the words: "consider the source"?

I particular enjoy the "I'm not going to comment" or "I'm taking the 5th" type posts.

The most prolific poster in this thread, has been on TOTV for 20 days and according to his posts, "just bought a home here". With 160 posts in the 20 days he's been here, he hasn't had much time to find his way around TV, never mind have the time to experience the impact of STR's on the community.

Another prolific poster on the 2 recent threads on STR's has been on TOTV for barely 4 months and despite a "2 week vacation from TOTV", has found the time to make 400+ posts, on every subject under the sun ... 65 posts just on STR's!

Folks, if you haven't lived through a winter in TV, you don't have a clue about life in The Villages. If you spend most of your day at your computer keyboard, you need to get out and about.

Most likely defending STR’s because is a STR slumlord trying to justify their neighborhood disrupting activities.

In this particular case, my defense is against drawing conclusions with no evidence to back them up. It may be that the only thing this situation has to do with short term rentals is that the home is listed on airbnb. There is no information that the man was renting the home and there was no information that the home was rented for less than six months. The accusation of an assault and the word "airbnb" in the same article led to a big assumption in the post I commented on.

Overall, I object to more government interference into my life. I agreed to the restrictions currently on my deed, I don't agree to having those restrictions expanded. I don't want further restrictions on the color I can paint my driveway and I don't want further restrictions on what I can do in my home. There are already ordinances concerning noise, litter, and parking - if a resident (permanent, snowbird, 6-month renter, or 3-day renter) is causing a problem then utilize the local authorities to enforce those ordinances. Kids? I'm not old enough to be one of those "get off my lawn" people.

I don't currently don't live next to a problem rental property and perhaps my opinion would change if I did. There are three rental properties on my street and I don't know how long they are rented for but whoever lives there is causing no problems.

I still wonder (as I also mentioned in another post) are there really hundreds or thousands of problem short term rentals or have their been a small handful of problems that are being referenced to disparage an entire industry?

That's a very good question... One in which I don't think anyone has they answer...

During the summer, I live in a resort/vacation area. We have 500 homes in the development, of which 100 are now used as STR's. Many of them are disruptive to the neighborhood, mostly because of the intensive use during the 10 week summer season.

We have 3 bedroom homes, hosting 12-15 people. Our water system can't supply water, our neighborhood roads can't handle the traffic, our beach isn't big enough and our land won't support the sewerage discharge, to say nothing of the fact, that "short term vacationers" aren't always the most considerate neighbors.

In The Villages, my street has 3-4 STR's I can see when I look out my front door. I have witnessed zero problems, other than perhaps, folks putting out their trash on the wrong day.

Just for the record, I'm philosophically opposed to STR's in a Residential Zone. I think over time, they destabilize neighborhoods. I believe The Villages marketing and deed restrictions preclude the use of single family homes, as motels.

I think the visceral response some folks have on the subject in The Villages, is more related to your statement above:: "I'm not old enough to be one of those "get off my lawn" people".

The Villages is without a doubt, the least "tolerant" community I've ever seen. As we get older, we seem more resistant to change and less accepting of inconvenience and/or the unexpected. Put 130,000+ seniors together and you have the perfect storm. If today is different than yesterday, something is wrong and it's not me. It's the "renters", it's the "snowbirds" or it's the Northerners (or the roundabouts, the hours at the pool or dogs pooping).

Luckily, we don't have many "minorities" (of the LGBQ, color or religious persuasion) in TV. If we did, we'd see intolerance rise to new heights.

Why Import More Problems
 

Everyone has his/her problems. My question is why ask for more? STR renters just add fuel to the fire after others are settled. The latest 20 year old senior citizen abuser is just an add on that should have never occurred. Instead some greedy landlord had to make extra bucks at our community’s expense. It wasn’t necessary.

I could not find anything in the article you linked to or the original article about the arrest that mentioned a senior citizen. That paper usually adds that information. Do you have another source for that claim?

And, you forgot the word "accused."

Yes, for example, when you can’t get in your neighborhood swimming pool because there is no more chairs available because of all the STR and their guests etc, day after day, I would say there is a serious problem. How do I know they are renters? Because I talk to them and my neighbors regularly.

Do owners & their guests, use fewer chairs than renters & their guests?

Do owners "double up" and sit on each other's laps?

I see over-crowding at our beach in NH due to renters, but of the 4 or 5 STR's in my TV neighborhood, I've never seen one occupied by more than a "couple". I'm not saying it doesn't happen, but I never see it.

So they are all over 30 and all have guest passes? If so, then is it the STRs that are overcrowding the pools or is it the guests of the “permanent “ people?

If they are not all over 30 or do not all have passes then use the mechanisms that exist to enforce the rules that exist

Yes! Owners have guests some of the time not All the time. Owners usually accompany their family or friends often mentioning what the expectations are in TV. They are proud of who they invite and prefer neighbors to like them too. If grandson throws the peanut shells all over the pool grandmother picks it up in front of him. Don’t compare the owners guests to the average STR!

Also, we have had the SAME number of owners and their guests year after year as my neighborhood is 14 years old. It has always been pleasant even in the winter. Last year the STR hordes arrived.

I can see that what slum landlords are trying to do is desperately justify the polluting of the lifestyle intended for the residents by STRs.

True, all for money and indifference to those who earned their right to full time residency. The latest renter article tells of a 20 year old renter(are they ever vetted by landlords) making a female his personal punching bag.

We don’t know what this guy does outside the Villages. We just know he isn’t eligible normally to live here (unless he can find an STR). It’s a shame an STR owner thought it was OK.

Also technically false. Forget technically, just plain false. Nothing at all preventing him from renting for a month ir a year. In fact, no reason to believe he had not rented for three months. But why let accuracy matter at this point?

Question - it’s obvious who on this thread are the owners of STR’s - however, they adamantly refuse to admit it. Why? If I was an STR landlord, I would come out and say so. If I wasn’t a STR landlord, I wouldn’t be so passionate and over-board in defending them.

STR Owners
 

I can tell you why, it is very unpopular to be an STR owner right now. Case in point: about a month ago some lady listed an STR “a place to stay for your extended family Yadda, Yadda….” on our village’s Facebook page. It was a pulled post within the half hour. Why, she was brutally bashed by all the locals as an STR owner. STR owners are not a popular group to be in right now.

I guess you’re right - it just comes across as “dishonest’ to me to argue in favor of STR’s and not disclose you have a vested interest in seeing them flourish and succeed.

In my villa neighborhood, 50% of all new homes are not owner-occupied. Of that 50% that are rentals, half (or 25% of all villa properties) are STR’s. I have two STR’s across the street from me and one next door. One street over from me, there are 5 STRs in a row (all have for rent signs up in their windows as we speak) - obviously, this is the #1 conversation from neighbors here and at the pools - I have yet to talk to a single owner-resident in our village who favors STRs - Most of the STR landlords here are fellow villagers (I know this because over the last few months, I have met most of them, as they have stopped by to introduce themselves to me, and most have asked that I keep an eye on their respective properties and call them if anything seems to be out of the ordinary.

I try to avoid all the negative talk about STRs (I don’t like them, nor the noise, parking issues, garbage left out several days before trash pickup, etc), but what am I to do? I try to ignore the issue as best as I can, and enjoy my retirement, but it is definitely an issue, and the#1 gripe of most neighbors where I live.

Careful! If you give an inch, they’ll take a mile.

Wow! What kind of resort area do you live in during the summer? One with outhouses and a community well? I find it hard to believe a resort/vacation area is not equipped with proper water and sewage.

I have been here 20+ years and would not describe anyone as intolerant. Vocal, yes! Apt to use words that were not considered harmful years ago? Yes, but bring it to their attention and they take note. I do not know what Village you live in but mine has quite a few minorities and some of the LGBQ community. I am proud to call them my friends because they are good people.

This is a forum where people present their views. What one does in a general debate does not determine who a person is. Perhaps you take TOTV too seriously.

Forgive me! I am old enough to be one of those "get of my lawn" people. The youth have no more rights than the elderly population. Mock us as they may, some day, they will get old. Do you think they will want to live with the rules of their youth? As an adult, I believe it is my responsibility to guide youth; not acquiesce to them.

hmmm...a new person who posts 8 times a day? I suspect probably just getting accquainted with TOTV. Most of his/her posts are probably three or 4 words long. But, who cares? BTW: There is an ignore feature. You do not have to take the time to denounce posters. Just press and go!

I counted your today's posts on this thread since you seem to want to zero in on this subject matter. You posted 3 in one day! Goodness! Three? Did you post on other threads, too? "Considering the source," that is too many.

Now, let's look at the other poster you object to. A person who has been on the forum for 4 months and posts an average of 3-4 times a day? I believe some post more but I don't have the time nor the interest to look at everyone's stats. (As if they actually mean something). Take your own advice. Step away from the computer and get out and about. Maybe, you will run into the other two posters who you requested do the same.

I watched The Village Newcomers one day and someone just bought a new home. He was so excited to move to The Villages only to find out that an investor bought his entire block for rentals. What a sad feeling to be the only actual homeowner on a block. That should not be allowed. Just saying.

If true, I couldn't agree more. I do have to question how someone could put in paperwork for an entire block, and get it, given the competitive nature of the market.

Issue for Election
 

This has to be a major point for elections. Commissioners and representatives need to be pronounced on their standings for STRs. The majority are against them and the message needs to be loud and clear.

Today’s news :
https://www.**************.com/2023/...-the-villages/

A convicted child molester (12 year old in 2019)found his way into The Villages thanks to a rental.

But, as usual, the question will be which politicians are willing to address the problem and which are only giving lip service to the problem to get elected?

1. What do you base your statement that the majority are against STRs on? Counting people who post on TOTV, from talking to your neighbors? Not sure that would be considered scientific. Is there a poll of all villagers that you are quoting from?

2. To be perfectly honest, I do not want BAD short term renters beside me. But I also don't want full time neighbors that let their dog loose to do their business in the flowers in the circle in front of my house or in my yard, but that is what I have.

3. I also do not want more restrictions on what I can do with my property. I bought my property with one set of restrictions, and they should not change after I purchased it in such a substantive way. If I can live in the villages 6 months a year because I am able to rent it out the other 6 months of the year, then I should be allowed to do it (if those are the conditions under which I purchased my property). BTW, I have never rented my property for a single minute since I purchased 10 years ago.

4. Which do you perfer, a permanent convicted child molester or one that is there for only a week? Or are you saying that the villages does background checks on all purchases (through the villages and by owner) precluding permanent residents with a record?

Is there a Deed Restriction against Sex Offenders buying a home in The Villages? Maybe he had to rent, because he couldn't afford to buy? Those pesky legal bills could have put a dent in his stock portfolio.

I'm not advocating that TV offer itself as a haven for Registered Sex Offenders, but better to have them in TV, than some family neighborhood with a zillion kids running around.

And you have some reason to believe this was a short-term rental, right; or are you now arguing to stop ALL rentals in the Villages?

Those are not the only options. And you can rent out your property for say, a month or more with much less people complaining about it. Owners do usually run background checks, your home, your furniture, your kitchen things, don’t you want to know WHO is using them or abusing them, before you come back for the next 6 months?

Nope, just against the accommodation of the needs of a renter/child abuser sex offender. I’m against it and of course along with other transient clientele.

AirBnBs bring crime. Just this morning we had a shooting at an AirBnB outside Orlando in Davenport resulting in one dead and one wounded at a birthday party celebration.

Man shot to death, woman injured during birthday party at Florida Airbnb, deputies say

I think the statistic show that alcohol is a much better indicator of increased crime, than renting vacationers.

Is there any reason not to ban alcohol in TV?

Are you being facetious?

Noticed
 

Hey, notice this happened in the town adjacent to Orlando. Davenport has no STR enforcement. Orlando requires the landlord to live in the building they rent out. I guess STR control is good for the community. Davenport should move into a stronger enforcement rule and adopt Orlando’s stance.

People who post, really should get their facts reasonably straight, before engaging their keyboard.

The City of Orlando has PROHIBITED Short Term Rentals in the Residential Zoning District, since 1991.

This prohibition was IN PLACE, prior to the State of Florida enacting a law that PROHIBITED cities and towns from regulating STR's.

In 2018, the City of Orlando RELAXED it's ban on STR's and now allows them, under certain restrictions. STR's are good for business in a vacation/resort area.

If you would like some understanding of how and why the City of Orlando was "Grandfathered" and was able to keep their STR ban in place, despite the new Florida law prohibiting STR bans, go back and read my Post #102 (part of which is below).

No.

If we're not allowed to simply shoot them, they have to live somewhere.

I'd rather they were in TV, than in a neighborhood of children.

I think TV has one of the highest percentage of gun owners in the USA. We can take care of ourselves, kids can't.

1. I was responding to a post that said a convicted child abuser had gotten into the villages via short term rental (as if it was only a a result of STR that they "got in"). (One of) the point I was making was that, an owner could be a convicted child abuser, so blaming STRs for that was crazy, unless someone was telling me that the villages does back ground searches on all sales of all properties in the villages to preclue that. And that I would rather have a convicted child molester around for short term than permanent.

2. Are you saying that by definition, someone who rents for 30 days is of better character than those who rent for 29 days or less? Or is the dividing point between people who are acceptable in the villages 7 days vs 8 days? Or some other arbitrary number?

3. Are the numer of complaints the correct metric? or is it the number of problems/issues caused?

I can’t figure out what your point is…

Having an Airbnb in the neighborhood is dangerous because someone might be shot in front of it?

Visiting an airbnb is dangerous because someone might come by and shoot you?

Criminals are more likely to shoot you in front of an airbnb?

Birthday parties are dangerous because people get shot when talking to criminals in cars that drive by?

Or is your point simply that the word airbnb appeared in an article about a crime?

Number 1. It is not “The Villages” it is the homeowner who does the background checks, unless they are a slum lord in the first place.

Number 2. Yes. By observation.

Number 3. I don’t know if the number of complaints are imperial or metric but they are NUMEROUS.

This is going from bad to worse.

1. Do you know of a single person who did a background check on the person(s) to whom they were SELLING their homes? Do you consider someone who SELLS their home to someone without a background check a slumlord? Maybe that is why we are having issues because we don't agree on definitions. From oxford dictionary:
slumlord: a landlord of slum property, especially one who profiteers.
a. someone who SELLS is not a landlord
b. the villages has very few "slum" properties.
2. Wow. Your observation. Is that a universal standard or does it only apply to the villages? I am curious as to the size of your sample.
3. My question was, is the number of complaints the proper method of measure or is it the actual problems? If one person complains 100 times, but they are the only one who sees any problem, is that worse than a situation where all 30 people that live nearby complain because the person is disturbing all of them, driving on their grass, blocking their driveways, etc.