Since the Florida legislature is not in session, there is no current bill. Perhaps (likely?) a bill will be introduced into the next session.

There were bills presented in the last session. I linked two of them in my earlier post. There may have been others as well.

A bill does not die because the legislature is not in session. It can still be worked on by lawmakers throughout the recess. I am hopeful another will reach the floor for a vote this session. I am optimistic. It seems the lawmakers are narrowing in on items the majority can agree upon.

You can argue with the Florida Senate about that - I assume they control their website and marked it dead.

Certainly, future bills can be conceived of and formulated while the legislature is not in session. They will be introduced as new bills beginning in March. (NOTE: I actually don't know if a bill can be resurrected/reconsidered from last session)

There is no "this" session. There is the previous session and there is the upcoming session next year, but there is no "this" session.

By die, I meant never to be heard of again. I do not believe this is the case with STR bills. It seems items have to be subtracted or added. But, technically speaking, you are correct. This would be a new bill.

Are you saying the Developer would protect all kinds of STRs in The Villages?

Here's a quick primer for the Poly-Sci Majors who were out sick, the day Legislative Process was explained.

Florida House of Representatives - MyFloridaHouse.gov

Session - The Florida Senate


Unfortunately, Short Term Rentals doesn't seem like a big enough priority, to even make the list of the Top 18 Issues.

Here's how 18 big issues settled from the 2023 Florida legislative session - WUFT News

Yes, he'd be a fool not to.

The Morse's aren't fools.

I knew if I kept trying to explain it logically, someone would finally read and understand the genesis of the Clearwater, Orlando & NYC situations and why they're not relevant to TV.

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Here's a quick primer for the Poly-Sci Majors who were out sick, the day Legislative Process lecture was scheduled.

Florida House of Representatives - MyFloridaHouse.gov

Session - The Florida Senate


Unfortunately, Short Term Rentals doesn't seem like a big enough priority, to even make the list of the Top 18 Issues.

Here's how 18 big issues settled from the 2023 Florida legislative session - WUFT News[/QUOTE] You have a firm belief nothing will be done to stop or restrict STRS. You are entitled to your opinion.

I do not need a primer on Florida Legislature. I worked as an intern to obtain my degree. Bills get altered, rewritten, added onto, or subtracted. There is no time stamp. I assure you, no lawmaker enters the capital building on the first day empty handed. They present their district needs, ideas are exchanged, committees are formed. In the end, only a few bills are ready for a vote on the floor. This doesn't mean any issue is not important. It means some are prioritized over the others. That explains the 18 big issues.

We are all guessing what will happen with STR laws. I remain in the camp that laws will be enacted. As more and more cities demand them, a majority vote by Florida lawmakers is easier to accomplish.

No idea what this post means...

A poster stated he believes the Villages is one of the highest populations of gun owners in the USA.

I suggested drawing his gun in Texas or any rural area in the USA. I do not believe he will enjoy how many guns are quickly drawn back. You don't understand this? Try it yourself!

Who suggested anyone "draw their gun"?

Oh, right... That was you... Apparently...

I was making a point that Texas and Rural areas in the USA are home to the most gun owners. By far!

According to what set of statistics?

One statistic I've seen has per capita ownership numbers of 23 owners/1000 citizens in Florida and 28 owners/1000 citizens in Texas. Not "By far!" by any means.

With 35% more population, this puts the total number of gun owners in Texas at twice the number in Florida. Okay, that's a more significant statistic.

With 429 people/sq mi in Florida but only 112 people/sqmi in Texas, this puts the number of gun owners at about 10 owners/sq mi in Florida compared with 3 owners/sq mi in Texas. Florida wins that round.

But you didn't compare Florida with Texas, you compared the Villages with Texas. Okay, with 2,217 people/ sq mi in the Villages, that makes about 51 owners/sq mi in the Villages compared with 3 owners/sq mi in Texas. 51:3... the Villages seem to be home to the most gun owners, by a factor of 17!

The Villages has a lot of retired LEOs from what I hear - probably the least likely people to draw in an unwarranted situation.

If the Developer(s) supported all kinds of STRs that would be a 180 degree turn from the original vision of TV as a social friendly community of retired neighbors.

So, how did we get from STRs to drawing guns??????

I wasn't encouraging anyone to draw a gun. I was trying to give a visual of how many registered and unregistered guns there are.in Texas and Rural America. My visual obviously failed.

I should have never responded to a poster who stated on this thread that he believes the Villages has one of the highest number of gun owners in the USA. My apologies.

Not to mention the 80/20 rule.

Obviously a rhetorical question

NYC is relevant. Any new laws on STRS can be used as models for our state. Our version will vary, but it may contain similarities of others.

The "Original Vision" of The Villages, was a golf-centric retirement community.

That generation left the station a long time ago.

The Developer is now in the Commercial Real Estate Leasing business, as well as building new homes.

I can surely see a scenario where STR's are prohibited in newly developed areas of the Southern Villages, but there's no motivation whatsoever, for the Developer to be concerned with the folks who already bought homes. Those folks have already been sucked into the program.

You can bet the farm, that in the next year or 2, you'll read about new Deed Restrictions in a new Villages neighborhood, that limit STR's.

There already are a few that seem to prohibit rentals. EDIT: I just noticed that the deed restriction I had found that prohibited rentals was modified to remove that prohibition. It looks like the Developer took the time and effort to *allow* rentals in that particular area.

It would be interesting to know how many deed restrictions are written this way but there is no easy way to find that out.

You're right. The similarities between The Villages and NYC are remarkable.

I know common sense is a rarity on TOTV, but common sense dictates that the Developer will prohibit STR's in the new, more exclusive areas.

Most every HOA in Florida's wealthier communities, prohibit rentals of less than a month. I've had a home in Trinity, FL for 15 years. The HOA prohibits all rentals (of any duration), without approval of the BoD.

Less be realistic, "renters" in general, are "less desirable". The wealthier the neighborhood, the more likely folks are to want to draw a distinction between who they are (the OWNERS) vs the plebes (renters).

Probably right but you never know. Those that pay more for their homes might be more interested in retaining the rights to use those homes as they wish. I can see arguments on both sides.

What I was most surprised about was that a very clear prohibition on rentals was removed. If anyone was wondering which way the Developer might lean, this should make it clear.

Texas didn't even make the top 10...

"The states with the highest gun ownership rates are Montana, Wyoming, West Virginia, Idaho, Alaska, South Dakota, Oklahoma, Mississippi, North Dakota, and Alabama. The state with the highest gun ownership rate is Montana, with a household firearm ownership rate of 65.7%..."

Are you new here? :1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

There are ZERO registered guns in Texas...

I’ve seen a lot of threads go astray over the years on TOTV, but this train wreck wins the all time prize.

There are a lot of smart real estate developers in the world. Not many of them are as astute as Gary Morse. He took 1000's of acres in the middle of no where and created The Villages out of whole clothe. He took a trailer park and re-named it the Historic District and the name has last 20+ years.

"Full occupancy" is a huge advantage to the Developer. Every one who lives in TV, knows what "in season" is like. The squares, the restaurants, the golf courses, are all inundated with people. For the owner of all those properties, the more the merrier.

The South is a different animal. They don't really have Town Squares. They're much more like traditional FL subdivisions. Different market, different clientele, different business model.

I think the Developer will continue to "allow STR's" in the Deed Restrictions down South, for his bread & butter homes. It suits his purpose and helps drive property values.

I think the higher-line, upscale neighborhoods he has planned, will be a different animal. I suspect those and only those, will have short-term rental restrictions. IMO, the upscale homes don't have the same rental potential. They really don't have all that much to offer a renter. There's no ocean, no town square, no golf, not much shopping. Everything in the newer areas, is still on the "promise plan".

Any renter with the money to spend for a very upscale home, is going to want the Full Monty ... which means an upscale house, near the real center of The Villages.

Living somewhere and renting somewhere for a short vacation, are miles apart in motivation and needs.

As if you would know what is relevant or not. You kept posting over and over on this thread about Clearwater. You kept stating facts matter. Fact! You missed the boat completely. Clearwater has no relevance .

First you state the Developer would never stop STRS and residents will have to find 3 million dollars to fight him in court. Now you say you can see a scenario where he will prohibit STRS. You are all over the board.

You are now an authority on common sense and it is rare for others to be like you? Common sense dictates you pick a lane. You do not post the Developer WILL NEVER prohibit strs and we will need to fight him in court backed by a fund of $3 million dollars. Then, a few pages later, post it is obvious the developer WILL prohibit strs.

Common sense also dictates one does not call out others for lacking common sense when one does not use it himself.

Has anyone seen realtors describing a preowned home as an STR ready-to-go? Fully furnished and equipped with everything you need to start renting? Is this a new way to sell homes?

Yes. Absolutely - STR potential is used as a selling point in some listings.

Wow! Encouraging more people to get into the STR business. I've seen MLS listings stating good investment property but stating an STR ready-to-go home? That is not something I have seen until yesterday.

Two separate couples I know have chosen not to buy homes in TV because of the STR problems in TV. They do not want to live in a TRANSIENT community w/ nightly or weekly resident turnover - that is absolutely what many villages have become - home to transients who spend a few nights there and move on while another transient moves in. Without legal protection, any homeowners in TV are at risk of having a transient rental home next door. We will move to a community that provides legal protection /recourse from STR transient occupation of homes if this continues in TV. As much as we enjoy TV we will leave TV if TV doesn't get on board with legal protections for owners and not allowing STR - transient occupation of homes in TV) No way I'll live in my beautiful retirement home surrounded by transient, ST renters.