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Political Correctness, when we are directed by a group thinking THEY are more sensitive and caring than the rest of us, to use or not use certain words, doesn't change anyone's morality or attitude or the reality of the situation. . It doesn't make anyone MORE respected. It doesn't make an unusual situation or circumstance or person more understood or repected on accepted. It is "Kewl" for the young and aggravating as hell for the old. Only a kind heart can really be the answer and in the face of that not working, a really good sense of humor, that sees that we are all part of a society that looks stupid occasionally. We cannot laugh at others unless we can laugh at ourselves. This goes back to the picture of the pitiful man (IN HANDCUFFS) sitting with his pants around his ankles in a public place. It could be you or it could be me. I would expect that if it were me, that someone would find it a tad bit humorous. That is the reason I stopped drinking. |
Like Villager Joyce, I believe in following the Golden Rule. But sadly, sometimes I'm a work in progress.
Redwitch, thanks for starting an interesting Thread. |
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To me, being PC is not a group or person acting nor thinking they are morally superior, it is pointing out how hurtful and wrong some words are. That's why the N and K words are no longer socially acceptable. It took folks standing up and saying those words were wrong and would not be be said in their presence or in their homes. It took courage and fortitude. Today, PC has gone too far and can be absolutely ridiculous. So, I know longer go by what is considered PC. Instead, I stand by my rule that if a word or phrase will hurt another, I don't use it around that person. Doesn't mean I won't utter that word away from them, just not around them.
For example, I have a potty mouth, to put it mildly. I have some friends who never curse, damn being about as strong their language gets. I do my very best to not curse around them. If I slip, I immediately apologize. Psychology was my major. Retarded was and is a clinical term referring to individuals with an extremely low IQ, ditto moron. Today, retarded has become mentally challenged. To me, mentally challenged is a total misnomer. It says nothing about the degree of retardation. Regardless, I do my best to not say retarded or moron when describing a person. I'll stick with mentally challenged unless I am speaking in a clinical sense, usually with a medical or psychiatric professional. So, maybe we shouldn't worry so much whether something is PC. Maybe we should just try basic kindness, understanding and thoughtfulness. The hel...heck with the PC police. Seems like that would take care of most issues. |
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I was born and raised in Ohio. Over my adult years in Illinois, my friends often referred to me as the "Ohioan". I was always proud when they did so. I was taken aback at my retirement party when all my friends told me the many, many derogatory definitions of the term "Ohioan" that is in common use in Illinois (and probably Michigan). |
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I remember when PC meant personal computer but class never is out of style.
Ann Landers Class never runs scared. It is sure-footed and confident. It can handle anything that comes along. Class has a sense of humor. It knows a good laugh is the best lubricant for oiling the machinery of human relations. Class never makes excuses. It takes its lumps and learns from past mistakes. Class knows that good manners are nothing more than a series of small, inconsequential sacrifices. Class bespeaks an aristocracy that has nothing to do with ancestors or money. Some wealthy “blue bloods” have no class, while individuals who are struggling to make ends meet are loaded with it. Class is real. It can’t be faked. Class never tried to build itself by tearing others down. Class is already up and need not strive to look better by making others look worse. Class can “walk with kings and keep it’s virtue and talk with crowds and keep the common touch.” Everyone is comfortable with the person who has class because that person is comfortable with himself. If you have class, you’ve got it made. If you don’t have class, no matter what else you have, it doesn’t make any difference.” ― Ann Landers |
Political correctness has literally run amuck for some years now. It has cost perfectly innocent people their livelihoods and reputations. For example the word "niggardly" has been around for quite a while. It was used by Chaucer, Milton and Shakespeare and is not even remotely related to "The N word". Indeed it has no racial connotations whatsoever. The Masticator: A Very Awkward, Uncomfortable Word of the Day: Niggardly Yet folks who have used it quite appropriately on occasion have paid a heavy price because highly vocal, ignorant and uniformed people accused of them using "the N word". Washingtonpost.com: D.C. Mayor Acted 'Hastily,' Will Rehire Aide
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I realize this won't change the minds of those who want to justify their use (or acceptance) of the 'N' word...but here it goes anyway.
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I have a real simple rule: black, white, purple, green, polka dotted, I don't care. You will not use a racial slur in my home nor in front of me. You get one warning. The second time, you are kicked to the curb or I am long gone. What you do when I'm not around is up to you. I can't stop you but I will think less of you if I hear about it. The same is true if you try to publicly humiliate someone in a mean or vicious manner. Can't stop you but I certainly don't have to like or respect you.
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We are not only being forced to accept we aren't kind or nice if we don't use ridiculous language, we are expected to build a whole new series of bathrooms when people who have identified as a certain gender have probably been using that gender's bathroom for a long time unnoticed. The very small numbers of individuals that this directly affects is so small as that most of us have never even noticed that they were using the bathroom that was different than their sex at birth. Most people don't ever want to hurt someone's feelings who are born with an atypical condition. The callous and unkind aren't going to be changed by a third type of bathroom. |
Certain PC terms are simply inaccurate but are imposed on a population to achieve political agendas. Off hand the term "Native American" as it was invented and has been used by the PC crowd is preposterous. People of any racial background born in America are native Americans. The first people known to settle a designated area are aboriginal. The PC use of the term "Native American" is not only misdescriptive, it disenfranchises people born in America as native Americans.
The use of "red state" for Republican majority voting and "blue state" for Democrat majority voting feels counterintuitive to me. I still have to remind myself which is which because the color red has been prevalently used by socialistic countries such as the former USSR and China for many, many years. Therefore when I hear "red state" what comes to mind is "socialistic (Democrat) state". I still have to use "R is for Republican" as a mnemonic device. Language is powerful. He who controls it controls thinking patterns and viewpoints. Obviously the MSM came up with the red state - blue state designations which no doubt shape public feelings to some degree. Red vs. Blue: A history of how we use political colors - The Washington Post |
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I don't have to give any example you just did it for me! |
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Given the possibility I may be wrong, asking for examples is destroying a free society? I don't understand your point. |
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What I believe you are saying is it is wrong to impose certain words that may or may not have had different connotations in the past. For example, my old high school football team name was changed from The Crusaders to The Bulldogs. PC and dumb? Maybe? Well, maybe not to the influx of Muslims in the school district. Did it hurt anyone to change it? No. Would a Muslim boy want to be a Crusader? Doubt it. Go with the flow and remain kind and generous and we have a great life. Anyhow, PC language is ridiculous at times - but it is not going to cause the downfall of America. |
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Originally Posted by Steve9930
PC and being courteous and respectful are not one in the same. The architects of PC would have you believe they are one and the same. PC is suppression of speech. PC is about controlling your thoughts and ideas to make them conform to someone's standards who believe your ideas are incorrect and their ideas are far superior to yours. PC is the first step in the destruction of a free society. It's a tool used control the masses. So when you see people promote this it has nothing to do with common courtesy and being polite. Quote:
More than simply a novel, this book, published in 1948, was predictive of a future that we are fast approaching, where both the thoughts and the behavior of citizens are controlled by the government. Start with the employment of the principal character in the book, Winston Smith. He works for the Ministry of Truth in the History Section, where he is daily called upon to destroy historical documents and write a "new" history. There are echos of current claims of "False News" or "Alternative Facts" that we hear about daily. In this fictional region called Oceania, there are four ministries. 1. The Ministry of Truth - Dedicated to propaganda and altering historical documents. 2. The Ministry of Love - Dedicated to Law and Order by use of brutal physical and psychological force. 3. The Ministry of Peace - Dedicated to war efforts. There is never a global war; just little regional wars that are always breaking out. People who were our friends are now our enemies, and vice-versa. 4. The Ministry of Plenty - Devoted to rationing because everything is in short supply. The story line of the novel is not the main point of the book. Rather, the separate discussions of the functions of the Ministries are the real point, although many people fail to read this part. The discussion of the activities of the Ministry of Truth is most directly related to this thread on TOTV. In this, Orwell discusses in great detail how government control of the elements of discussion (Political Correctness) achieves control over the thinking of the citizens. He gives the example of how it becomes impossible for citizens to contemplate the overthrow of the government because they are not even able to think in those terms. To the extent that free-thinking citizens submit to Politically Correct speech, they are surrendering their freedom, and are on the path to destruction of a free society. ---------------------------------------------------- The Constitution of the United States does not protect its citizens from being offended, nor does it limit offensive speech. I do not go out of my way to offend people, nor do I use derogatory terms for ethnic groups. But, among terms that I have no problem using are "Illegal Aliens" for foreigners who are in our country illegally, and "Indians" for the peoples who were in America when the first Europeans arrived. Columbus did not call the natives "Indians" as an insult, but rather because he thought he had reached India. Do yourself a favor and read 1984. |
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Originally Posted by Rapscallion St Croix
So, help me out here. Is comparing one's own bowling skills to Special Olympics non PC or just offensive? Originally Posted by manaboutown Doing this perhaps would be more like comparing apples to oranges. Meaningless. At least if one is fully functional both physically and mentally... Quote:
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Some of y'all crack me the heck up. :1rotfl:
NO ONE has stated that you shouldn't be able to use whatever words you want...or that they be made 'illegal.' :oops: Some of us are simply saying, that you're gonna have to live with the ridicule, lack of respect and disgust from decent people...when you choose to use those words. :ohdear: It really is...as simple as that. :ho: |
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I'm serious, it is great to read what everyone has posted in this thread. I never had a chance to consider such things in my work life. It was survival of the fittest in deed and word and anything went. It was touchy sometimes. I wonder if PC is different regionally speaking?? The reason I mention that is people we have encountered in Florida are so reserved and not in your grill like in New Jersey, New York and Philly. Not one mean spirited word spoke to us since we moved here. Written words have been rough from time to time but normally from people from our neck of the woods.
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It is that by adhering to Political Correctness certain words are made "unacceptable." Or as YOU say, "... you're gonna have to live with the ridicule, lack of respect and disgust from decent people...when you choose to use those words." And, as demonstrated in the novel 1984, this can lead to "Thought Crime" under the rules of "New Speak." Newspeak is a controlled language, of restricted grammar and limited vocabulary, a linguistic design meant to limit the freedom of thought—personal identity, self-expression, and free will. This can lead to enslavement of the minds of an entire population. Congratulations, as an enforcer of New Speak, you have become a member of the Thought Police. 1984 is worthy of reading and serious contemplation. |
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You're trying to equate a fictional novel, whereby incorrect thoughts/speech are actually 'illegal'...and are therefore punishable as a 'crime.' ' Whereas, as I plainly stated (or at least I thought it was pretty plain :oops: )...no such thing exists in in this great country. Soooo, your poor attempt at equating George's story as one that parallels our current society...is totally off-base and not even close. :ohdear: Meaning of course, the only ramifications of continuing to use those words/phrases/statements that show a complete lack of manners and decency, will only invoke and earn ridicule/lack of respect/disgust...NOT any type of judicial action. Quote:
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The point of my original posting was that Political Correctness was a precursor to an era predicted by Orwell. Not that I was, in your words, "...equating Goerge's (sic) story as one that parallels our current society." In fact, my exact words in my original post stated that the book, "...was predictive of a future that we are fast approaching." (Please read my posts with precision.) We are not yet at the point in the USA where some words and attitudes are illegal, BUT......THEY ARE IN CANADA. In addition, they are illegal in Denmark, France, The Netherlands, the United Kingdom, Germany, Russia, Ireland, Sweden, and Finland. Mexico now treats homophobic slurs as unprotected speech. You cannot be arrested for such speech, but you can be sued. South Africa's new Hate Crimes bill forbids “prejudice, bias or intolerance” on the basis of race, gender, sexual orientation, religion, gender identity, etc. (It’s a long list.) It also calls out those who “stir up violence against or bring into contempt or ridicule” anyone on the basis of their beliefs or occupation — that includes government officials. Political cartoonists are particularly targeted. I have not contradicted myself. I have merely pointed out that with the acceptance of Political Correctness of speech our culture is moving toward the one predicted by George Orwell, who was, by the way, an Englishman, and the novel 1984 was depicted as taking place in Socialistic England. Ingsoc (Newspeak for English Socialism or the English Socialist Party) is the political ideology of the totalitarian government of Oceania. You really should read it. |
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Imo, hate-filled name calling, and use of terms that are clearly offensive in the eyes of almost all rational human beings, has nothing to do with PC. The attempt to equate the two is an attempt to legitimize PC by those who support it.
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Sex education ought to left to parents.:loco: Yeah, that has worked so well. :a20: |
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