Just a year ago NBC got caught altering a 911 call to make Zimmerman appear racist. However, Zimmerman's libel suit was thrown out by a judge who somehow believed NBC's claim that they didn't mean any malice.

NBC News broadcast of the 911 call:

Zimmerman "This guy looks like he’s up to no good. He looks black.”

Actual 911 call:

Zimmerman “This guy looks like he’s up to no good. Or he’s on drugs or something. It’s raining and he’s just walking around, looking about.”

Dispatcher “OK, and this guy — is he black, white or Hispanic?”

Zimmerman “He looks black.”

I grew up watching Huntley-Brinkley and NBC News but have since switched to Diane Sawyer and ABC. I still watch the Today Show and SNL but I consider the source when they make their comments. On the otherhand, I can't watch Fox News, it's just too obvious they are not 'Fair & Balanced. I guess when it's a major story I end up with CNN for the most part.

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BTW, has anyone from the Brown family or friends ever paid the shopkeeper for the box of cigars he stole.

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BTW, has anyone from the Brown family or friends ever paid the shopkeeper for the box of cigars he stole.

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Where is the link to the story of the stolen cigars? Nobody knows the origin of the photo being shown above...who it is, where it was taken, when it was taken.

There was a horrible photo of Trayvon Martin being circulated with a grill which turned out to be a photo of some rapper.

Where is the link to the story of the stolen cigars? Nobody knows the origin of the photo being shown above...who it is, where it was taken, when it was taken.

There was a horrible photo of Trayvon Martin being circulated with a grill which turned out to be a photo of some rapper.[/QUOTE]


Denial is not a river in Egypt. This is not the Trayvon Martin case. The only similarity is that two unarmed black teens were killed.

It appears that some do not believe for one moment that the police officer could be right. I just read where it is no big deal to some that two bottles of cleaning fluid obviously stolen are not an issue.

I don't know what to think or feel or even hope for. It looks like we're done as a country.

Where is the link to the story of the stolen cigars? Nobody knows the origin of the photo being shown above...who it is, where it was taken, when it was taken.

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Ferguson Police Dept released the convenience store security video below:

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mkOfqIXkBRE]SURVEILLANCE VIDEO: Police say Michael Brown was suspect in Ferguson store robbery - YouTube[/ame]

So where is the link to the article about the stolen cigars or the origin of the photo shown above? It's inappropriate to slander someone without a shred of evidence.

Ferguson Police Dept released the convenience store security video below:

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mkOfqIXkBRE]SURVEILLANCE VIDEO: Police say Michael Brown was suspect in Ferguson store robbery - YouTube[/ame][/QUOTE]

There is no identification, no date, no time, no location. Being a suspect does not necessarily put one at the scene of the crime.

It's also strange that the Ferguson Police Dept found time to release this photo, purported to be of a robbery, but cannot release the autopsy report or the police report.

You've got what's called selective memory. The photo shown by most of the networks during the Zimmerman trial, was one of an innocent looking 12 year old Trayvon.

https://encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com/i...t6SSBV8LGp6uLS

Maybe you're referring to one of these photos, Trayvon smoking pot.

https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/i...BXhuLIJP2mVJeg

The box of stolen cigars photo, now that took about 5 seconds for Google to find. They have the technology today to create a screen capture or photo from a video. Yes, there was a video of the robbery, maybe you were sleeping that day. August 15th the Ferguson Police released the video of Brown stealing the cigars and then the 6' 4" 292 pound Brown shoving down the little storekeeper. All the protestors got so upset that the police would try and besmirch the good reputation of Michael Brown. Here's a link to the YouTube video of the thief, that's a website that has a lot of videos.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iEOSaJEN5Q4

proof? Here's a link, his accomplice admits they robbed the store.

Attorney: Dorian Johnson confirms he was with Brown at store robbery

What was the date and time of the video and when was the positive identification made? Even if this is Brown in the video, what does it have to do with the shooting? And why was Brown's body allowed to lie in the street for four hours, bleeding out?

It seems to a layman, that the Ferguson police department has opened itself up to all kinds of civil lawsuits.

It seems that some posters believe that because there was an alleged robbery, that the shooting of an unarmed black teen-ager is acceptable.

Are you testifying to the grand jury for Mr. Brown ?

There was a robbery in a cigar store accompanied by strong arming.

Mr Brown's accomplices (the guys with him at that time admit to this)

Conjecture is Mr Brown was being stopped for questioning in that case...only conjecture..no evidence either way.

The picture by the way was released at the same time the police officers name was released. The DOJ, already involved at that point did not want it released. Right or wrong, it appears the police wanted everything non public until the investigation was complete, and maybe picture release was tit for tat on the name...all conjecture.

Why the body laid there so long...nobody knows. Again, in most cases police are allowed to properly investigate without having the entire nation asking for their scalp, but not so in this case. Seems certain folks made this decision immediately.

I sincerely take offense at your remark saying that posters say this shooting was acceptable...that, to me is just plain wrong. I never heard or saw that here or anywhere, but this is becoming just like the Martin case. And every other case of this ilk. All the damning of one side as if a black young man will be shot down for simply walking the street. That for sure did not happen, and to my knowledge, has NEVER occurred involving the police

Actually, what really seems clear is that some people do not want to believe any evidence that does not fit the "gentle giant" script -- no matter what their own eyeballs tell them.

Look, let's be real ... to think that in 2014 there are thousands of white cops just waiting and praying to gun down a black kid ...almost for the heck of it ... is a twisted fantasy. It's not reality. What's the point in even trying to help spread this cancerous distrust of law enforcment? Why must white on black events always be racialized?? Why is no one going beserk over the black on black "battlefield casualties" of young black kids every weekend in Chicagor or every other major urban center? Why is Shapton not out front on this? Why?

It's also not a good sign than some are so emotionally invested in the fable of the "gentle giant." The video of the strong arm robbery tells most people, without an agenda either way, a lot about the character and intentions of Mr. Brown. It is not that hard to figure out.

And, to be clear, no one has ever said since he robbed the store he deserved to be shot. The reason he apparently deserved to be shot is, from what I can tell (not all info is in), he physically assaulted a police officer, went for his weapon, and attempted to kill a cop. Now, if that turns out to be true after it's investigated, what will your reaction be? If it's proven, in court, he did try to kill a cop, would that bother you a lot? A llttle? Would you still want to argue it? Just wondering ....

Yes it would bother me, but it will also bother me if it is proven (by the autopsy report and other tests and eye witnesses) that Brown had his hands in the air and was shouting don't shoot, when he was shot six times and killed by a police officer.

I have no idea of what happened....NONE.

What I wonder about is the assumption and almost fervent hope that the policeman made a mistake. It is Martin case all over again...the constant and ongoing drum of one side.

Why....what prompts this attitude of actually always and constantly assuming the police offer is wrong and that Zimmerman was wrong. I do not get it.....earlier today, networks were mentioned and the only thing I can think of us just listening to the droning and droning from there. Same people who will crucify the Police if they are not there when they are needed.

If a police man shot an unarmed man OF ANY RACE in the street they gotta lock up that policeman.

WHY are all these implications and outrage about race ? I do not get it and then those who make all these case and go on and on call others racist.

I suppose I am just dumb, but some of this makes no sense whatsoever. It is like cheerleaders for Brown.....

Scary stuff...all the calls for justice......if the police officer is found that he should not be indicted, then those like this will want blood. How do they define justice ? Not sure about any of this

PS.....Just was told and do not have time to check on this, but was told that the White House sent more representation to this young mans funeral than they sent to the funeral of Margaret Thatcher. Anyone know if that is true ??
This cop's life is cooked.....he is being sacrificed....and believe me, if he is guilty of a crime he deserves what he gets. I just get infuriated when the implication is that young black men are being shot in the street on a random basis. Anyway, if anyone knows if the administration sent more to this young man's funeral than Thatcher...please post

We have some potentially good defense lawyers on this thread spreading doubt to make the burden heavier for the prosecuting attorney.

A 6'3" 300 # guy is shown stealing cigars battery on a clerk and a few minutes later pulling a cop into his squad car beating him so badly that the cop sustained a broken jaw and eye socket while this big guy tries to take his gun.
When the cop moves to make a legal arrest based on this altercation the guy runs at him and was shot six times. To me it seems unusual that a guy with his hands up would be running toward the cop. It seems more likely the guy was running toward this cop with his hands in a position of grabbing onto this cop. If this guy was surrendering doesn't it appear he would be more caution and deliberate so that the cop would not mistake any of his moves
Shooting this guy six times doesn't seem unusual because that many shots is what may have been needed to take him down especially since the adrenalin was flow and he was juiced up.

given the beating cops are taking around the country about brutality its a wonder they all don't quit

Carson should be the role model … not a Sharpton or Jackson. It’s tragic that young black kids are told losers like the two just mentioned are to be idealized and that Carson is an Uncle Tom. Wow, how self-defeating is that? They are guaranteed to never get out of the underclass. Who benefits from that? (Think about it)

Look, I respect your reluctance to take a human life no matter what the circumstances …even with someone breaking into your place. I remember back from the Vietnam days “the” most courageous guys I ever knew were the genuine conscientious objectors (ie could not take a human life on religious principle) yet volunteered so serve as Navy Corpsman on front lines with the grunts. They had very high casualty rates and were genuine patriots. If that’s where you’re coming from, I salute you.

Be that as it may, weakness in enforcing the law brings the dirtbags out. It’s human nature, original sin or whatever you prefer … and it is obviously pervasive in the world (eg ISIS to name but one). There were news reports (can’t remember the details) that most of the arrested rioters came from outside Ferguson. In particular the New Black Panthers form Oakand and the “Revolution Club” (ie communist) out of Chicago descended into Ferguson although I don’t know in what numbers. Does that bother you at all?? Any??

So when you ask which of these I would like to have killed now, my reaction is none. Because the first rifle volley of rubber bullets will disperse the crowd … quite quickly actually. The mob will realize the law will be enforced and, if they proceed they will lose their life. They will rapidly disperse because any mob is cowardly in nature.

That’s the point the original OP was making in so many words … deterrence works. I will add to that by saying … weakness is quite provocative.

I remenber two black men were murdered by the Chicago police while they slept, Fred Hampton and Mark Clark. I was a student at the time and remember the outrage then.

Not exactly just walking down the street. Mr Hampton was the leader of the Black Panthers and had been drugged by one of his own guys which did not allow him to react. Mr. Clark was sitting at the door standing guard with a shotgun aimed at the door. FBI raid and bad things happened.

As I read on it, years later, it was discovered this was a terrible injustice, BUT it has nothing to do with the standing accusations of simply shooting down black young men in the streets. Not only a different era (60's) but not remotely s gunning down of an unarmed black man in the street.

Thanks..a neighbor mentioned it to me as I was preparing to leave this evening and I knew nothing of it.

Since then, I think I am correct....there was not one rep of our WH at the memorial service for James Foley.

Means basically nothing but import given events, I suppose. Was just surprising to me.

I must say, from my heart - I'm giving up reading this particular Thread. My choice.

I've followed it from the start, and must say I have found it quite irritating at times in many respects. I know I know - just don't read it...I've thought that many times on ToTV when some others may comment on a Thread. But this one has been going nowhere fast. The main Posting People seem to be going 'round and 'round but yada.

I feel very strongly about this topic - and will state that we simply COULD NOT bring ourselves to watch the network news tonight. We typically try to catch it nightly - but tonight the main topic from MO would have been so frustrating. And we simply did not want to view Sharpton in his great glory once again - In our opinion, him and the Media sucking on the emotions and wallets of many --- and in our opinion doing a total dis-service to our blessed country.

With that- the 139th posting I believe on this Thread... and we are OUT. Sorry, I see now that a few more posted before sending, guess this is 141 now...

Why? To incite more people to join the mob, to "Keep victimhood alive", and to show up at the polls in November.

A history refresher:

http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/355670

Tell me TWO things...

First, what part of my post was inaccurate or out of context ?

Secondly, what does this situation almost FIFTY years ago have to do with this current situation ?

I honestly try to reply, but as far as I am concerned this part of the conversation is over...you appear just to want to stir things up..not something I want to be involved with. I'M not going to go back fifty years and debate with you.

As I said earlier, the deed is done and nothing can bring Michael Brown back. Policeman Wilson's life forever changed in the few seconds it took him to empty his pistol. It really does not matter if he is guilty or innocent - his life is changed forever.

Zimmy's life changed forever, too. He cannot get a permanent job, it seems. He claims that he is working part time security jobs.

Is this right or wrong to happen - even if found not guilty of second degree murder?

Well, they have to play the hand dealt to them by either fate or a choice.

Then you are being lied to and misinformed!

"Zimmy's life changed forever, too. He cannot get a permanent job, it seems. He claims that he is working part time security jobs."

I assume you are referring to Mr. Zimmerman, as have not seen anyone refer to anyone else in such a manner ???

I feel badly for Wilson that he may go through that same trial by media as Zimmerman and no matter what the verdict, his life will never be the same. Even if there is no trial and the grand jury decides the shooting was totally justified, his life has been changed forever.

Please don't quote history. The Jews don't send activists to Octoberfest.

Right now, by law people all have the same civil rights. The KKK has diminished to very few numbers, thank God, and not only do minorities have rights they have most of the majority behind them in spirit. BUT until some real effort for change comes from a lot of the urban poor and for many in that same group to take responsibility for their children financially and most importantly by forming a family...than in my view things aren't going to get better for that particular group of black people. And that group drags down and tarnishes all of the good people who are acting like and living like the majority of folks have always acted and lived here in the U.S. They embarrass those who want better for everyone, and they cause a lot of people to be impatient and angry and discouraged. Many need jobs and they need to have drugs removed from their paws.

Drugs cause crime and killing and lethargy and the addiction adds to robberies and vicious actions against others. For too many, drugs is their job AND drugs make many of the urban poor rich in the same way it makes a lot people in suburbia rich too.

I HATE DRUGS. AND the big drug business.

If you wanna talk about big business being a cancer, Drugs are that big business.

What would the best thing be for all of us do here in The Villages to help this problem?

If only the federal programs designed to help some of the urban poor get by wouldn't enable too many to use money for drugs.

If only we could direct the federal programs specifically for the use they were designed to do. How can that happen?

Excellent post ... and "spot on" as the Brits would say

Seeing Sharpton screaming and rallying people at the funeral and elsewhere, like it was a campaign rally, I keep wondering why he does not rally young black men and women in Ferguson to:

Graduate from high school, work on self-discipline, and sign up for police schooling and police jobs in Ferguson, so the number of black police there could be proportionate to the black population.

But that's not happening, because that imbalance of white officers is too useful for claiming "racism" as an excuse for not teaching when preaching to the young people.

Have to agree with you about the police force being proportionate to the black population. It's up to the city leaders to bring this change about, otherwise Ferguson looks like apartheid in South Africa.

Another change for the police department should be that police officers be required to live in the community in which they work and the community that pays their salary. This is common practice in municipalities across the county.

Rev Sharpton's screaming and rallying people is what some in the African American community call preaching. Anyone who has ever attended a black church will understand.

I've seen and understand black church preaching ... it's inspirational actually. However, I also recognize demagoguery in action. They are not the same by any stretch.

As Sunny said in a recent post, too bad Sharpton doesn't spend his energy on actually doing something to help the young black kids. I'm still amazed he does not get called out more often for it ... he is an exploiter in the truest sense. Very sad.

It is an obvious conversation, the one about the disproportionate amount of whites on the Ferguson police force.

There are answers being given...albeit not all of them. Problem is nobody is listening very much....they want to hear what they want to hear. What I am offering is certainly not the solution nor all the answers, but it is a conversation for those folks in that area and at least not simply drumming on the obvious.

From an ex mayor of Ferguson on PBS....

"I will tell you my vision of why there is a difficulty of having very few African-Americans on most of the Saint Louis suburbs. One is there’s a lack of African-American men and women going through the police academy. We constantly tried — when I was mayor, for six years, we constantly tried to hire African-Americans. When we did so, they were recruited from other surrounding municipalities because they had the same exact issue of seeking more African-American police officers. And they are unfortunately allowed to pay more money than we have the budget for.

It’s not for lack of trying. It’s just there is enough — not enough candidates available within the African-American community to hire them. I would like the list provided to us, if someone has a list — and certainly we have been trying to do that. Unfortunately, they’re taken from us by other larger communities, even though Ferguson is not small, we are approximately 22,000, and we are the fifth or sixth largest municipality in those 90 that Tony mentioned."



There is also conversations, not excuses, not shrieking but good solid conversation starters on most of the issues raised. I suggest if you really care about this issue that you read it.

Why doesn't Ferguson's police force reflect the community?

There are other answers out there, but while I agree on conversation on this subject, I totally and completely disagree with comments on Mr Sharpton. He is a man who has lied and deceived for a long time. He has dismissed with a total lack of action the pushes by real civil rights leaders who feel the effort WITHIN the community of blacks is falling short. THAT push will not get headlines.

If you wish a list of links, or whatever to support Mr Sharpton and his various and many deceptions, just let me know...I will be glad to supply them to you on here but that everyone is aware of and that conversation is a waste. Those who know him and still follow him...well....best thing is no comment.

Just agreeing. I have been to many many black church services and Mr Sharpton's verbage sans actions except when he gets on tv is NOT REPRESENTATIVE of my experience.

Most pastors who speak passion at these services are doing and not blaming.

I suggest we take all the lawbreakers to the back of the courthouse and shoot them.

I suggest we just use the legal system
and remain inside the courthouse both
literally and figuratively

Bullets are cheaper

Ummm. You have a cousin Vinny? Maybe YOUR pizza is best. Whatever you say....lol.

It's up to the city leaders? Why would city leaders (elected office holders) or ANY employer hire somebody who has not taken the initiative to fill out an application?

Why would city officials hire somebody who has dropped out of high school?

Why would city employers hire somebody who quit an associate degree program the person was enrolled in for purposes of applying for a police job?

If the person him/herself does not apply for the police job, they're not interested in the job! And if they're not interested in the job, they're not going to be good and effective at the job!

It's up to parents, church leaders (like Sharpton) and school faculty and administrators to teach their children to look forward to a future that includes a a paycheck earned by working for it and by earning the the education and credentials to qualify for it.

And don't tell me about "screaming" at black church services. I've enjoyed many of them because of the lively feedback from engaged people in the pews. The reason they are engaged is because the Word of God is being taught with meaning and application and a memorable take-home message the person can refer back to in real life all week/month/year long. God's Word is effective wherever it is read and proclaimed.

Effective pastors do not blame all the black community's problems on their caucasian brothers and sisters! They teach people to be a disciple of Christ, and the root word "disciple" is IN the word "discipline". Self-discipline, with God's help.

Who has not taken the initiative to fill out an application? Who has dropped out of high school? Who has quit an associate degree program enrolled for the purposes of applying for a police job? It's can't be the victim, Michael Brown, because he was a recent high school graduate and headed to college.

Please post a link to the statistics on all this new information.